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You need to finish a game turn with nothing on the table to lose.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
You know, I still prefer to see a Turn ZERO loss:

Well, that's a loss - not a forfeit

Don't you automatically lose anyways when you start with nothing on the table? Or at any point have no models on the table?

I think that applies to the end of a turn. If end of turn 1 you have nothing on the table you lose.

Are white scars able to bring in reserves on turn 1? I don't think they can - In which case they would have lost anyways without kroot shenanigans. Am I correct?

 Xenomancers wrote:
Are white scars able to bring in reserves on turn 1? I don't think they can - In which case they would have lost anyways without kroot shenanigans. Am I correct?

They probably had something to enable them to come in turn 1, which the Kroot denied thanks to Infiltrate.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Are white scars able to bring in reserves on turn 1? I don't think they can - In which case they would have lost anyways without kroot shenanigans. Am I correct?

That picture was from like 4th or 5th edition (probably 4th.)

IIRC you didnt lose if you had everything in reserves.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Are white scars able to bring in reserves on turn 1? I don't think they can - In which case they would have lost anyways without kroot shenanigans. Am I correct?

5th edition picture, no such auto loss rule existed then.

Yeah that's an old tale from 5th ed, and an awesome tale at that.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


Janc, I didn't mean OP or his opponent, I was talking about you. You come off as conceited and know it all and I don't think that's an attitude that helps.
Seriously. I think OP's opponent was a jerk for packing up early, but a lot of 40k players have no humility.

I knew what you were saying. I just didn't see a point in derailing a thread to "defend" myself. And I still don't. This isn't about me.

I don't know what to say to that except "Tell me where the point I was making is wrong and we can talk about it". But if all you're here to say is that you find my confidence galling, I'm not sure where that got us even if it is your impression?

The original poster has nothing to apologize for. The guy that left cares too much about losing. Find the fault in what I said just now, or agree with me. You can PM me about my confidence if you want so we can sort that out elsewhere.

Forgive me, I forgot Webster changed the meaning of Arrogance to Confidence, I'll have to alert the media. My point where you were wrong, since you want to call it that, is that OP's opponent probably had no humility and that's why he was a sore loser, as you so eloquently put it. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Its a common mistake. The difference between arrogance and confidence is how the person viewing it feels about themselves. Thats about it.

As for the guys lack of humility, I can count on two fingers the games I ever left early without giving my opponent the chance to gracefully accept or decline my surrender. So I dont think this has anything to do with humility. Its just immaturity. A guy who can't handle losing is just immature. I get not liking it. I get not seeking defeat. But i mean that is just kind of rude.

 Deafbeats wrote:
Yeah that's an old tale from 5th ed, and an awesome tale at that.

5th edition, Dawn of War deployment allowed you to bring your entire army onto the board from your table edge at the start of your first turn.

 Jancoran wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


Janc, I didn't mean OP or his opponent, I was talking about you. You come off as conceited and know it all and I don't think that's an attitude that helps.
Seriously. I think OP's opponent was a jerk for packing up early, but a lot of 40k players have no humility.

I knew what you were saying. I just didn't see a point in derailing a thread to "defend" myself. And I still don't. This isn't about me.

I don't know what to say to that except "Tell me where the point I was making is wrong and we can talk about it". But if all you're here to say is that you find my confidence galling, I'm not sure where that got us even if it is your impression?

The original poster has nothing to apologize for. The guy that left cares too much about losing. Find the fault in what I said just now, or agree with me. You can PM me about my confidence if you want so we can sort that out elsewhere.

Forgive me, I forgot Webster changed the meaning of Arrogance to Confidence, I'll have to alert the media. My point where you were wrong, since you want to call it that, is that OP's opponent probably had no humility and that's why he was a sore loser, as you so eloquently put it. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Its a common mistake. The difference between arrogance and confidence is how the person viewing it feels about themselves. Thats about it.

As for the guys lack of humility, I can count on two fingers the games I ever left early without giving my opponent the chance to gracefully accept or decline my surrender. So I dont think this has anything to do with humility. Its just immaturity. A guy who can't handle losing is just immature. I get not liking it. I get not seeking defeat. But i mean that is just kind of rude.

Touche. Most of the people where I play are really cool and respectful, but I know one guy in his 40's who is absolutely fine if hes beating the pants off you, but the second you start winning, he turns into TFG and a Rules Lawyer. Plus, he likes to run all spam armies and has 3+ fully painted Knights.

Caveat: I haven't read pages 2-4.

Real talk: Were you smelling fresh, looking good, taking care of that personal hygiene?

That would be the only reason I would forfeit turn one. If I project out what at least an hour of standing near smelly dude is actually going to be like and the cost benefit analysis isn't working-cash in your chips and dip.

So, after doing that self analysis, I would either shower or get better 40k friends.

Pretty sure this wasn't a personal hygiene problem.

 moonpie wrote:
Caveat: I haven't read pages 2-4.

Real talk: Were you smelling fresh, looking good, taking care of that personal hygiene?

That would be the only reason I would forfeit turn one. If I project out what at least an hour of standing near smelly dude is actually going to be like and the cost benefit analysis isn't working-cash in your chips and dip.

So, after doing that self analysis, I would either shower or get better 40k friends.

On the contrary! Had just showered before heading to the store, shaved and everything! Maybe I overdid it and he thought I was trying to pick him up?

 kingbobbito wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Get a "I forfeited to Dark Angels" tshirt and make him wear it.
Never play him again otherwise.

This just made my night

Also, he's currently one of the only people I can play. When the weather gets bad like now not as many people make it out in the evenings as their drive might not be as easy as mine. Since he was the only 40k guy at the store tonight I figured hey, maybe he'll be reasonable for once.

I think I'm going to start playing with the heroclix guys on Tuesday nights.....


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Actually, now I'm starting to wonder, is my army actually that looked down upon? We can be competitive too ya know

Dude I have this kind of player in my group. He rear ended my ork apoc tank in a game of apoc where we where team mates. He had to shoot his ordanance eventhough he knew it would kill the tank.

So i assaulted his assassin and killed that one off. A 5 buck model made him rage quite and got him a black eye.... not for rage quitting but throwing my squiggoth (the little one) on the floor saying you killed my model i break yours.

These guys excist man you just need to know they never ever turn out to be a good opponent

 Xenomancers wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
You know, I still prefer to see a Turn ZERO loss:

Well, that's a loss - not a forfeit

Don't you automatically lose anyways when you start with nothing on the table? Or at any point have no models on the table?

Yes, but that timeless photo is from an edition before that rule.

I think it was the "keep your whole army in reserve" tactic that caused this to become a rule.

 fatty wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Get a "I forfeited to Dark Angels" tshirt and make him wear it.
Never play him again otherwise.

This just made my night

Also, he's currently one of the only people I can play. When the weather gets bad like now not as many people make it out in the evenings as their drive might not be as easy as mine. Since he was the only 40k guy at the store tonight I figured hey, maybe he'll be reasonable for once.

I think I'm going to start playing with the heroclix guys on Tuesday nights.....


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Actually, now I'm starting to wonder, is my army actually that looked down upon? We can be competitive too ya know

Dude I have this kind of player in my group. He rear ended my ork apoc tank in a game of apoc where we where team mates. He had to shoot his ordanance eventhough he knew it would kill the tank.

So i assaulted his assassin and killed that one off. A 5 buck model made him rage quite and got him a black eye.... not for rage quitting but throwing my squiggoth (the little one) on the floor saying you killed my model i break yours.

These guys excist man you just need to know they never ever turn out to be a good opponent

Why was he not banned from the group/store?

 fatty wrote:


So i assaulted his assassin and killed that one off. A 5 buck model made him rage quite and got him a black eye.... not for rage quitting but throwing my squiggoth (the little one) on the floor saying you killed my model i break yours.

These guys excist man you just need to know they never ever turn out to be a good opponent

Wowa. Fer serious? Lame.

kingbobbito wrote:

 moonpie wrote:
Caveat: I haven't read pages 2-4.

Real talk: Were you smelling fresh, looking good, taking care of that personal hygiene?

That would be the only reason I would forfeit turn one. If I project out what at least an hour of standing near smelly dude is actually going to be like and the cost benefit analysis isn't working-cash in your chips and dip.

So, after doing that self analysis, I would either shower or get better 40k friends.

On the contrary! Had just showered before heading to the store, shaved and everything! Maybe I overdid it and he thought I was trying to pick him up?

You do you then, brother. Let the haters hate, I say.

Jancoran wrote:

 fatty wrote:


So i assaulted his assassin and killed that one off. A 5 buck model made him rage quite and got him a black eye.... not for rage quitting but throwing my squiggoth (the little one) on the floor saying you killed my model i break yours.

These guys excist man you just need to know they never ever turn out to be a good opponent

Wowa. Fer serious? Lame.

Yeah, I would fight this dude. Every time I saw him. Forever.

 grendel083 wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
You know, I still prefer to see a Turn ZERO loss:

Well, that's a loss - not a forfeit

Don't you automatically lose anyways when you start with nothing on the table? Or at any point have no models on the table?

Yes, but that timeless photo is from an edition before that rule.

I think it was the "keep your whole army in reserve" tactic that caused this to become a rule.

I believe the point of 'all in reserves' armies like that was you essentially wasted your opponent's first two turns, and then with your t5, 3+ save, highly mobile army, choose the most advantageous space to roll them onto the board and start causing trouble.

 kingbobbito wrote:

On the contrary! Had just showered before heading to the store, shaved and everything! Maybe I overdid it and he thought I was trying to pick him up?

Oh, for a moment i thought you meant 'overdid with shaving'.

Baby, you can smash my tau anytime. Seriously, sometimes you can tell you are about to get your ass kicked, and it sounds like he's just the not the type that can have fun with it. I have definitely had moral victories while completely getting my ass kicked, just because I managed to FINALLY kill whatever murdered me. I have fun doing such things, though.

Munga wrote:
Baby, you can smash my tau anytime. Seriously, sometimes you can tell you are about to get your ass kicked, and it sounds like he's just the not the type that can have fun with it. I have definitely had moral victories while completely getting my ass kicked, just because I managed to FINALLY kill whatever murdered me. I have fun doing such things, though.

Agreed. In 6th, right after the Eldar 'dex had landed I went to a friendly, charity, team event. Me and the ringer (I let my partner pair up with a pal of ours when we got there, and was going to just sit it out when one of the organizers decided to cobble together a rhino/salamander list) put to together a fun "friendly" list. I had brought roflstomp WS list for anyone needing a force to play, and a pretty fluffy Cato Drop List. So using our Cato Drop force and Sally Rhinos we had a great old time, barely winning most games in fun, but close matches. When we get to the final table... its long ways deployment and we get the "attack" side of a defend/attack mission. Facing us is a fully optimized, allied TauDar list with 2 Riptides and 4 WS +a Wraithlord plus all the regular cheese those lists used to have.

Whatever, we're screwed... go for the moral victory... kill the HQs and MCs.... lose because its inevitable. We got all the MCs (I think) and 1 HQ and got tabled by turn 5. It was a blast! We didn't get bitter about it (though did needle the other team a bit about what "friendly list" meant to them). We even went so far as to ask the other team to undo some of their movement so that we could show them a better trick with their drone squads and using their extra movement and pointed out that they shouldn't charge one of my units as that was silly when they could gun it down.

They won, we got 3rd, all were friends and I hope to see them later this year at the same event again.