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2015/07/09 16:11:24
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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 Sienisoturi wrote:
In countries like Russia abortions are so common that the birth rates are suffering because of which limiting their number might be advantageous.
Yet globally the population continues to climb. And I very much doubt that people opposing abortion do so from the fear that the human race will be depopulated if abortion is legal.
Nor is the population of Russia shrinking, it is currently estimated to be growing at +0.2%.
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2015/07/09 16:45:39
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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 SilverMK2 wrote: Sienisoturi wrote:
In countries like Russia abortions are so common that the birth rates are suffering because of which limiting their number might be advantageous.
Yet globally the population continues to climb. And I very much doubt that people opposing abortion do so from the fear that the human race will be depopulated if abortion is legal.
Global overpopulation does not mean that there can't be local underpopulation.
Nor is the population of Russia shrinking, it is currently estimated to be growing at +0.2%.
Yes and action against abortions has been taken.
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2015/07/09 19:52:32
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Sienisoturi wrote:
Global overpopulation does not mean that there can't be local underpopulation.
And yet in the grand scheme of things local fluctuations are not really significant. As can be seen by the stabilisation of thr Russian population and a return to growth.
Yes and action against abortions has been taken.
I am not convinced that is the only reason that the population growth has improved or indeed that much has actually changed on the Russian stance to abortion 
The depopulation of Russia was caused by a combination of massive migration out of the country and a significantly higher than normal death rate in adults. Combined with huge ecconomic and social problems, this expressed lower fertility rates (pregnancies rather than live births) too as people simply did not want to have children in such a glum period.
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2015/07/10 03:04:32
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Sienisoturi wrote:In countries like Russia abortions are so common that the birth rates are suffering because of which limiting their number might be advantageous.
It's a really gakky thing to determine personal issues like childbirth based on vague national goals like population.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2015/07/10 07:13:44
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Sienisoturi wrote: SilverMK2 wrote: Sienisoturi wrote:
In countries like Russia abortions are so common that the birth rates are suffering because of which limiting their number might be advantageous.
Yet globally the population continues to climb. And I very much doubt that people opposing abortion do so from the fear that the human race will be depopulated if abortion is legal.
Global overpopulation does not mean that there can't be local underpopulation.
Nor is the population of Russia shrinking, it is currently estimated to be growing at +0.2%.
Yes and action against abortions has been taken.
Can you explain the current population crisis in Japan and how abortion effects it?
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2015/07/10 07:32:08
Subject: How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Stubborn Hammerer
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Yeah, mandating or prohibiting abortion for population control purposes is gakky.
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2015/07/12 23:46:29
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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I get her point, but its in horribly bad taste.
Full Disclosure: i am a screaming left wing liberal on most things, including pro-choice. It's her decision in my eyes, I have zero say, if she keeps the baby or not. By "I", I mean proverbially "anyone but her".
That said, political statement or not, putting up a donation page to save a fetus is fething horrible and callous. You should either have the child because its the right decision, or not have it, because that's the right decision, for the person. It should not come down to an, albeit eloquently worded, "Put your Money where your Mouth is."
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/07/12 23:46:57
 daedalus wrote:
I mean, it's Dakka. I thought snide arguments from emotion were what we did here.
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2015/07/13 00:26:47
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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 Haight wrote:I get her point, but its in horribly bad taste.
Full Disclosure: i am a screaming left wing liberal on most things, including pro-choice. It's her decision in my eyes, I have zero say, if she keeps the baby or not. By "I", I mean proverbially "anyone but her".
That said, political statement or not, putting up a donation page to save a fetus is fething horrible and callous. You should either have the child because its the right decision, or not have it, because that's the right decision, for the person. It should not come down to an, albeit eloquently worded, "Put your Money where your Mouth is."
Perhaps you missed the revelation that this was just a stunt to publicize a novel
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/655066.page#7964523
 Dreadclaw69 wrote: Manchu wrote: Dreadclaw69 wrote:Do you have a link for this? I don't disbelieve you, I just want to read the reasoning behind this tawdry stunt.
If you go to the blackmail page itself, it says the ransom note was an excerpt from some novel.
http://www.amazon.com/Strange-Animals-Novel-Paperback-July/dp/B010TSP3BS
It has some glowing reviews..... seven reviews....all one star
"You shouldn't tarnish the pro-choice movement with your nonsense."
"It's rare that I am so irritated by an advertising strategy, but this is beyond the pale. WTF guys, WTF?"
"I agree that the "advertising" of this book by pretending the author was a woman intending to have an abortion was disgusting. "Chad Kultgen has established himself as one of the most honest and candid chroniclers of human relationships working today."
Obviously he's showing us he's not honest by pretending to be a woman having an abortion. Disgusting. Of course, what do we expect in today's world where self promotion is valued above anything like honor or actual honesty?"
"The abortion stunt was sick. I hope it brings you everything you were hoping for. Posting "I have every intention of having an abortion," the woman writes anonymously in an essay posted to the site, "but I'm giving you a chance to stop it." to try and get people to buy this book is morally wrong."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chad_Kultgen
"Critics have maintained that his books have a tendency, when utilizing male protagonists, to come across as misogynistic and trite. Kultgen claims to frequently, "get messages from people who didn't enjoy the books. They tend to be a bit irate and usually take the time to tell me that I'm the worst living writer, the world would be a better place without me, I have no understanding of women or all of my books should be burned."[4] The New York Times published a balanced piece on his work in 2011, based on interviews with him, and including people who claimed that his works were based on their personas.[5] Penthouse has called his work, "appalling," while Maxim has labelled it, "pure filth.""
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2015/07/13 01:45:46
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Wow, that's probably even worse than if there really was a foetus being held hostage.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2015/07/13 01:56:49
Subject: How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Plummeting Black Templar Thunderhawk Pilot
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So what was the end result?
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2015/07/13 10:22:51
Subject: How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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What was the end result of a marketing campaign for a novel in which a fictional woman was threatening to abort a fictional fetus unless a fictional million dollars was paid into a fictional bank account?
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2015/07/13 11:04:14
Subject: Re:How much would you pay to stop an abortion?
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Seems we can put this to bed then.
people eh ?!
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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