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2015/11/10 10:05:02
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Something intersting in the new FAQ (available on Crits Kill People)
Q: If a model is Multiple Ranks and a Legend, does it count against both limits?
A: Yes, A model that is a Legend always counts
against the normal maximum of that rank
(like vehicles, or leaders).
So that perhaps hints at how Vehicles and more powerful characters are going to be integrated.
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2015/11/19 20:13:55
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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i got my local shop to carry them yay!
now if i wanted to play an all hero team i currently have
AC batman and batgirl... who would go well with them?
i would like an all hero team.. i picked my two fav models
im hoping to keep it in the bat family id like to be able to win
i was thinking catwoman, red hood, or nightwing
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2015/11/19 20:47:31
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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What point level do you plan to start playing at?
Play about with these and see what you can fit into your chosen point level.
Bat Builder is more user friendly but hero builder is more up to date.
http://hero-builder.net/
http://bat-builder.com/
Playing about with Hero-Builder you could Add Arkham Knight Red Hood and AC Robin and end up with a 345 point list if you wanted to go hero heavy.
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2015/11/19 21:16:34
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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AC Bats is great for starting out, he's really competent at everything and at a good price point too (Miller Batman is much cheaper, but loses out on a lot of toys, AK Bat is more expensive but you need to use everything to really get your points' worth out of him). Batgirl is very much a support character, you want to be using her to run objectives, knock the last damage of weak henchmen or very wounded characters, and never throw her into a fight; the lack of Reinforce Gloves or a weapon means her CC potential is roughly equivalent to being repeatedly bludgeoned with a plump pillow.
So what you really want is a heavy hitter. I am a big fan of Nightwing or Red Hood (either version) in this role, both have some serious damage potential and speed. Nightwing is more straightforward, just point him at the thing you want beaten to a pulp, keep him in cover until he gets there, then use his Combo ability and Batons to unleash hell. The comic Red Hood's usefulness comes in the ability to deal Blood damage (non-healable, rare in a Batman crew) and at range, meaning that unlike Nightwing you don't need to expose him right in the enemy's line of fire to be doing damage. AK Red Hood has the brutal ability to turn a KO into an instant casualty, netting you more VPs and preventing the enemy from getting back up.
Catwoman and AC Robin I'd leave out for now. Batgirl fills a similar role, of speed and manoeuvrability rather than damage, and you don't really want more than one character like that in a small sized crew.
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2015/11/19 21:26:26
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Problem with Nightwing is that he is a Sidekick and so is Batgirl so you cant play both together and still have bats as a leader.
Also worth mentioning that from what I have read police are very useful for arresting and thus taking KOed models off the board for good.
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2015/11/19 21:29:36
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Damn, forgot that!
I am hoping that when they get around to doing an AK Nightwing, he'll be a Free Agent, since Tim Drake's Robin became a Sidekick in his AK version. Even better if AK Bats, Robin and Nightwing=300 Rep!
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2015/11/19 22:19:13
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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So to get to my 300 rep im going to add AK red hood since hes a free agent, and a cop either ron/gcpd detective or the police woman if my opponent is too iffy about 2 points Automatically Appended Next Post: i know there is going to be a Harley team, a bane team, and another hero team
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/11/19 22:20:33
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2015/11/20 05:42:09
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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"Hero" focused Green Arrow teams are pretty easy to put together. Green Arrow, Arsenal, Canary and Huntress is 334, enough left over for a standard cop (with lots of gear on it).
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2015/11/20 08:26:41
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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drazz wrote:"Hero" focused Green Arrow teams are pretty easy to put together. Green Arrow, Arsenal, Canary and Huntress is 334, enough left over for a standard cop (with lots of gear on it).
Honestly I'd rather play that lineup 16 points down than dilute the theme with a random cop! But that's just me This is why we need Diggle or Lance! But then, Arrow needs more options generally; Sara Lance Canary, Thea Queen Speedy, or even ATOM or The Flash! Hopefully once the AK stuff is mostly done we'll see a few more Arrowverse minis.
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2015/11/21 12:03:04
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Yaeh I can certainly see that from my point of view too. There was a blister of cops available at the FLGS so I picked them up but I cant see myself using them that often tbh. Will always want a hero over a bunch of cops.
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2015/11/21 12:16:41
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Well to be fair, Agents Ron and O'Connel are decent enough, capable of tangling with most Henchmen if you need them to (and legends are still whispered of that time my Agent Ron went 4 rounds with Ra's Al Ghul and survived! ), it's just from a thematic standpoint I'm not a huge fan. And even then, if its a whole squad of cops and one or two heroes then that makes perfect sense, it's when you have 3-4 heroes and then an equal or lower number of cops that I struggle with it.
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2015/11/21 13:07:18
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Yeah you just stated exactly how I feel about it. The cops are pointed perfectly to be fillers when you have too few points left for another hero but a few too many to want to waste. But as you rightly put it batman, robin, night wing and a police officer just doesn't feel right thematically. It's not that I am saying they are not good profiles in game, I will just always want to play the Hero's/characters when I can,
If your gonna have police thematically you want a bunch of the guys not just one or two.
For me thematic lists are important as I got these models because I love batman first and foremost as because I wanted to play the game a distant second. Game looks great don't get me wrong.
Btw am I right in thinking that there is no current way to play red hood and speedy together?
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2015/11/21 13:10:51
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Yep, sadly Outlaws is not a thing that can happen in the officials rules at the moment... which is a shame as I absolutely love that series!
So to that end, I did put together some house rules for those two and for adding Starfire (I'll be using a Heroclix mini repainted)
http://www.batmanminiaturegame.com/forums/english/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2430&sid=abb0a608b18f20bd422a109aec3023b5
Not tested them yet, but will as soon as I pick up the relevant minis.
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2015/11/29 20:35:01
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Eaglemoss currently have a sale on for those of you who want batmobiles
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2015/12/19 06:21:46
Subject: Re:Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
Yorkshire
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Im presuming this can go in this thread due to this being an 'annexe' to the main game..
Anyone else spotted the Spider-Man Miniatures game news posted to facebook?
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2015/12/19 08:53:02
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Yeah, there's more pics and discussion in the News and Rumours forum, I'll copy the relevant pics/info down here this evening if no one else has.
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2015/12/20 21:06:38
Subject: Re:Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Sneaky Lictor
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Some interesting ones confirmed so far. Punisher and DD is definitely something I'd play. ...if I decided to play.
Marvel sure has a plethora of street-level characters to add - Blade, Moon Knight, Elektra, Black Panther, Black Widow, Black Cat, Bucky, Bullseye, Hawkeye, Silver Sable... guess it depends on how far KM wants to "stray" from having it be an actual Spider-Man game or just a Marvel game. Some X-Men maybe make the cut too... Maybe Ben from F4 given Spidey's ties to them...
Of course there's the vast amount of Spidey Rogues. Definitely plenty of options for KM. Hopefully this won't take too much of their time away from BMG.
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2015/12/21 06:36:40
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That's very interesting. Considering that they've added models like the Watchmen and Lobo to the Batman game, I wouldn't be surprised to see some surprises (does that make any sense?) in the Spiderman game.
Bear in mind also that Spiderman is a decently powerful character in the comics (he can throw cars around if he has to), and that Marvel comics power levels are lower on average than DC comics, and I think the potential roster is less limited than it is for the Batman game.
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2015/12/22 19:56:50
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Regular Dakkanaut
Canada
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I just read on the official forums that KM won't let people post the stat card for the batmobile on their site, could someone share it here?
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2015/12/27 14:59:01
Subject: Re:Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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So I recently picked up the rulebook and a bunch of models. I'm currently reading the rules for a second time; some of the rules I like (allocating action dice, simple dice roll targets), some feel a little cumbersome (movement, two types of damage counter, etc), but I'll have to try the game to judge.
Meanwhile I'm assembling the models, and I'm finding them to be more frustrating than I expected. Some models are OK, but some of them have some pretty annoying mold lines and miscasts, and some of the detail is so shallow and positioned such that I've actually mistaken details for mold lines and miscasts at times and scraped them off. And the weapons are so scrawny that they bend and even snap to a light breeze! I would desperately love to replace Green Arrow's bow because every time I look at it the limbs are bent to a different shape, but I don't know what to use that would be stronger but appropriately sized; my GW Wood Elf and PP Nyss Hunter bows are huge in comparison.
What's more, the bases have a molded-in texture, but also a slot? So you need to manually sculpt a texture over the slot for most models? Madness!
I've been assembling models for several years now and I'm decent at conversions and stuff so I can handle it (well, most of it; those bows are just stupid), I just wasn't expecting to have to. I guess I was thinking that the game was aimed at least partially at people who don't have experience with miniature gaming? Was that not a fair assumption? I assume that everyone on Dakka has prior miniatures experience so no-one here is going to have the kind of trouble that a newcomer would, but am I just overreacting? Did you guys think this this game is newbie-friendly, and should it be?
I bring this up partly because I picked up this game specifically because I thought it would appeal to non-gamers who wouldn't be up for getting into Warhammer or Warmachine (with their large model counts), but might be up for a game where you only need five or six models (of characters that they already know and like), but now I'm thinking it might not work out that way after all.
Anyway, sorry for the long pointless rambling. The real reason I'm posting here (other than fishing for moral support - yes, these miniatures really are getting on my nerves that badly; Nyssa Al-Ghul's bow snapped almost as soon as I picked it up and I had to pin it back together), is because I was wondering what people use for terrain and gaming mats? I really don't want to have to put the time into assembling and painting scenery, but I want thematically-appropriate good-looking terrain to help me lure in new players. If I could get pre-painted scenery I would. Does anyone have any recommendations? I'd love to see photos of people's tables set up for a game to get some ideas.
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2015/12/27 15:17:55
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Fixture of Dakka
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There's lots of suitable Gotham-esque MDF terrain from companies like 4Ground.
Personally, I've used my Gale Force 9 scenery set.
And my Mantic Deadzone scenery for games.
Personally, I would have to say that Batman is not a newbie friendly game. It's small model count, sure, but it goes into sooo much depth for those few models that the amount of options can be quite bewildering.
There are things you can do though. - For example, I've been contemplating putting together full page 'cheat sheets' for all the characters I have, including their special rules all printed out.
In saying that, the game is great fun and I really do want the opportunity to play more of it. However, being the person that's learning the game from the rulebook for myself and despite having fully 18 years of gaming experience behind myself, I still have a lot of trouble getting my head around some rules.
Personally, I think the best 'gateway' game for new players just has to be X-Wing.
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2015/12/27 20:56:31
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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2015/12/29 03:03:21
Subject: Re:Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Regular Dakkanaut
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2015/12/29 09:03:56
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Compel wrote:Personally, I would have to say that Batman is not a newbie friendly game. It's small model count, sure, but it goes into sooo much depth for those few models that the amount of options can be quite bewildering.
Ah, so it's not just me then. It's a shame, but I'm still planning to give it a try. I'll probably start by running games without any of the special rules (the traits and stuff), just using basic movement and combat rules, that way it shouldn't be as hard for people to pick up. I'm considering house-ruling some of the movement rules to make them simpler as well.
Compel wrote:There are things you can do though. - For example, I've been contemplating putting together full page 'cheat sheets' for all the characters I have, including their special rules all printed out.
That's a good idea, I might do something like that.
For some reason the link doesn't work for me, it keeps giving me a 503 error.
AngryMojo wrote:Shameless plug incoming, all of what I use for Batman comes out of my company.
You have some nice stuff, I really like the clocktower. I'll keep them in mind.
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2015/12/30 18:53:01
Subject: Re:Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ugh, OK, sorry, but I need to post this. I started assembling Seeker today, and his bow snapped right off. That's the second time this happened. This time I decided to try replacing it with a modified Wood Elf bow, which I think worked out OK. Then when I went to compare it to Green Arrow's bow to see how it looked, I found that Arrow's bow was seriously bent. From sitting on a shelf. Seriously, it was fine when I put him up there, and it was bent when I pulled him back down. Imagine what would happen if I actually tried to play a game with him! Clearly I'm going to have to replace his bow as well. Which will be harder since he's already assembled, but I'll just have to make do.
Arrow's bow:
Compared to the modified Wood Elf bow:
P.S. You can see in those photos that I modified the wall section Arrow stands on; I wanted him to sit more centrally over the base. You can also see my weak attempts to match the texture that was on the bases. Hopefully it won't look too bad when painted.
P.P.S. Why do all the arrows have three-feather fletching but two-blade arrowheads? Weird. Sorry, I like to nitpick sometimes.
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2016/01/03 01:32:31
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Sneaky Lictor
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I commented on CritsKillPeople a while ago but it's still awaiting moderation, so not sure if the mods have read it.
I'm not sure if it's a bug or some feature I’m unaware of, but for League, adding Ying, Yang, or Lotus makes the other 2 disappear from selection. Anyone else getting this problem?
I definitely like Bat-Builder more, but it needs an update!
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2016/01/03 02:26:48
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Fixture of Dakka
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It sounds like you might be falling afoul of the 'elite' rules perhaps?
Who is leading your band? Try it with Liam Neeson and see if you have the same problem.
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2016/01/03 02:47:17
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Sneaky Lictor
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Compel wrote:It sounds like you might be falling afoul of the 'elite' rules perhaps?
Who is leading your band? Try it with Liam Neeson and see if you have the same problem.
I was actually leader-less, but it appears you are right. It also appears I may have been misinterpreting the Elite rule for the past almost-year? Or perhaps just never bothered to thoroughly understand it since I play Ivy or Swampy and no plant limit was kind of a given. But thanks
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currently playing: Warhammer 40k: Kill Team
other favorites:
FO:WW | RUMBLESLAM | WarmaHordes | Carnevale | Infinity | Warcry | Wrath of Kings
DQ:80S+G+M----B--IPwhfb11#--D++A++/wWD362R++T(S)DM+ |
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2016/01/03 12:08:30
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Either version of Ra's, oldTalia or Nyssa all give you unlimited ninja goodness, Shiva or Bane limit you to only one DK ninja, but the Ninjas that come with Shiva are not Elite so have no such restriction.
Agreed that the Bat-builder was much better, I use that for building lists unless I need a newer release in there.
Not sure what's going on with CritsKillPeople, they posted about how they had plenty of content and a site-wise reorganisation planned in November, and since then there's been about 2 or 3 new posts. Unless I'm missing something on the site, which is entirely possible.
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2016/01/03 13:39:13
Subject: Batman Miniatures Game General Discussion
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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I also prefer the ui on batbuilder, although I do like that the hero builder is not only updated with new models but removes options that cannot take according to terrain rules which I am not sure batbuilder does.
Would be better if it showed the options greyed out however and explained why.
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