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https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/aos_warscrolls/warhammer-aos-legion-of-azgorh.pdf

There is the warscroll for chaos dwarfs. Gw still produce them, arguing that fw make them rather than citadel makes no difference to the outcome, they are available.

We don't know the intentions for the other armies you've mentioned so let's not talk as if speculation is fact. Making new moulds is expensive so the role out for the re-envisioned armies will take time. Dwarves have been done with no real losses, chaos have gained with minimal losses. No reason yet to assume that anything is being chopped. If there are projects still to finish though, perhaps the fate of tk might help people prioritize there next few purchases.

I think GW may have made the right decision in accounting terms, but the wrong one in marketing terms.

It is undoubtedly the case that the TKs weren't making enough profit for GW to want to continue with them, or else they would not have been canned. But that's no benefit to any of us, and no-one can find a good thing to say about it. GW made £15M profit last year. Is it really that ahrd to keep the TKs going for another three months to let players round out their armies?

AoS by itself has drawn a lot of criticism but also a lot of enthusiasm, and it at least is some kind of a positive step. One rulebook was canned and a new game was published instead.

As for canning the TKs, though, people have given reasons, explanations and excuses, but absolutely no-one is saying it is a good thing.

It would have been easy for GW to write TKs into the Death faction book, and bring the range back in a couple of years, when the capacity is availalable to remake all the Finecast figures as plastic. Obviously that is not the plan, though.

Instead, we are giving TK players consolation and advice about how to complete their armies (possibly with non-GW figures) and swap to other (non-GW) games.

I don't have any faith in the mantra that GW have only canned two armies in 30 years. That's no guarantee they won't can a third, and a fourth. Many fear that Sisters of Battle in 40K are hanging on by their fingernails. The faction is in a vicious spiral; old-fashioned models (actually, I like them) that are expensive so not very attractive to new players. There's a couple of kits, like the Penitent Engine, that really ought to be plastic. Low sales means GW have less incentive to redo the range in plastic.

I reckon everyone with a legacy WHFB army should check how many of the units are available as plastic rather than Finecast. Lizard Men clearly are OK because they have already been relaunched. All their units except for some of the special characters are plastic. The TK I believe have a lot more Finecast units. It's GW's long term plan to change everything to plastic.

 JamesY wrote:
Slann aren't an army, chaos dwarfs still exist and have a decent range and rules, dogs of war were intended as allied units rather than a stand alone army. The rest are still supported at present.

Also, holding on desperately to lines that don't sell goes hand in hand with declining sales.

Slann were an army in, ummm, 3rd ed I think? Before my time. There were Slann Braves, Slann Elite and Slann Cavalry.

You're right in saying GW haven't removed too many armies over the years, and that has been one of their strengths and one of the reasons people feel confident starting an army even if it's going to take them years to finish.... but this is new times and people are watching and waiting for things to change and that change is coming in the form of removing TK.... so what's next? Bretonnia? Empire? Some of the Elves?

AoS has changed the rules (not just literally but figuratively as well). Removing a fully fledged army is something that can stop people starting a new army because they don't have the confidence the army will still exist in a year.

So yeah, GW removing an army, even an unprofitable one, is a risky move IMO. It'll make your customers question your commitment to a range.

I certainly would not be recommending anyone start any of the old armies at this point. GW doesn't want to be in a position where a 20 year vet is telling new comers not to start an army.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't have any faith in the mantra that GW have only canned two armies in 30 years. That's no guarantee they won't can a third, and a fourth. Many fear that Sisters of Battle in 40K are hanging on by their fingernails. The faction is in a vicious spiral; old-fashioned models (actually, I like them) that are expensive so not very attractive to new players. There's a couple of kits, like the Penitent Engine, that really ought to be plastic. Low sales means GW have less incentive to redo the range in plastic.

I reckon everyone with a legacy WHFB army should check how many of the units are available as plastic rather than Finecast. Lizard Men clearly are OK because they have already been relaunched. All their units except for some of the special characters are plastic. The TK I believe have a lot more Finecast units. It's GW's long term plan to change everything to plastic.

Out of curiosity, can we consider each of the discontinued SG's as "an army" for canning conditions? Because, army or not, it's a lot of stuff to discontinue due to obviously economic reasons.

Some people seem to be forgetting all those games. The same situation applies - I mean how can one confidently buy the new BB stuff when you know what happened to the previous edition?

"Buy and Pray"?

At this point I would not hold my breath over almost any of the old WHFB factions surviving in their current form.

Dwarfs seem to be transitioning over to something new rather than being killed off but I can already see the writing on the wall for the traditional dwarfs and the models.

TKs are dead.

Elves are becoming one flavour with a few tweaks. I get the feel that wood elves will die off completely and dryads and the tree stuff be the only thing that survives from them.

Bretonians, yeah well they were pretty dead already and will no doubt soon be "last chanced"

No real sign of any kind of "human empires" so state troops and empire models are probably doomed.

SGs (Specialist Games) like Blood Bowl are a rather different case to WHFB or AoS.

Some SGs, such as Space Hulk, were standalone boxed games. To me, for GW to cease production of Space Hulk would be the equivalent of ceasing production of AoS starter set without having published any of the support material including the books, legacy war scrolls or add-on Sigmarine units (for instance.) To put it differently, Space Hulk could never have been expected to be available indefinitely, but once it did go OOP, the boxes you already owned were still perfectly playable.

Blood Bowl of course was playable as a standalone game for which you could also buy extra teams, which were like add-on armies. Canning an army from AoS is a bit mopre like canning a team from Blood Bowl. The difference is that almost all the armies in AoS are legacy armies from WHFB that had already existed for decades in some cases. Sigmarines are the exception, of course. Canning a legacy army from AoS is a follow-on from canning the whole of WHFB, and we know how popular that decision was.

At any rate, I don't think canning an SG is the same as canning a mainstream army from one of the core games.

What about Epic? As I hear it that WAS a core game once upon a time.

Or LorR? I suppose it is in more of a Sisters situation, still around but with 0 support and forgotten about by GW, but it was core once upon a time too.

Chances are as the warscroll is available its just going to be a re-box and if we are lucky a redesign of the troops in general.
As far as getting the current models, there are plenty of independent stockists with the models. For example the stockist I work for http://www.alchemistsworkshops.com has the troops and Warsphinx in stock as we speak with at least 20% off RRP
All about hitting the stores now to find the best deals and hope GW realizes its pushing the price of AoSup way and beyond what fantasy was.
In terms of Bretonnia I really worry for them as half of the units cant be used as effectively anymore as the knight formations have disappeared along with the rank bonuses etc

 jonolikespie wrote:
What about Epic? As I hear it that WAS a core game once upon a time.

Or LorR? I suppose it is in more of a Sisters situation, still around but with 0 support and forgotten about by GW, but it was core once upon a time too.

Epic was definitely a core game, in that it was demo'd in store and had shelf space, pre LOTR. I was under the impression there would be some new LOTR stuff under the new specialist umbrella too, but I've no idea how much.

LoTR is being continued, apparently.

The difference with Epic is that if all the armies were completed, GW didn't tell people they could transfer them to a completely new game, and then pull support of one army from the game nine months after release.

I saw a picture of Malerion finally, and decided to drop my Dark Elf army until the new models come out. I kinda see this as the right choice now as GW is dropping models and armies quite frequently it seems. Also worried about starting Slaanesh just hoping for a comeback soon... then Sigvald is generic slaanesh lord and the only 2 WoC/ Slaanesh kits are unavailable.

Edit: Like all of slaanesh is unavailable.

;_; why......why did GW violate the WHFB franchise so much....I am a 40k player but was showing more interest in this side of the hobby lately.....and now tomb kings AXED....what the hell? That was a beautiful range full of lore and originality...now no longer available except on ebay hunts and likely to appreciate in value as the months go on....why are GW killing such a source of income? You cant tell me WHFB wasnt selling well in the past....sure it wasnt as popular as 40k but still, it was a functional, beautiful game and one of the things GW could rely on as source of income. Now? AoS...risky

One of the armies i still have to paint is my over-complete Khemri collection. A pity...
I liked both background and models more than any other GW undead project. Also pity that i have a table of egyptian / khemri temple scenery.

I do understand why GW does this: if something does not sell, it will be axed. Not a strange thing for a business.
And business was bad for WHFB, AoS does better, so they might be onto something. But AoS is not for me.

But i will keep my WHFB armies as they are. I might put the armies i still have to paint on round bases, but there is no rush. I focus on other games and wait what the future will bring for WHFB and AoS.