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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Does the news that the black girl is the adopted sister of the girl leaning on her help calm down the accusations of racism at all?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/models-from-racist-gap-ad-are-sisters-2016-4?r=US&IR=T

No, people will just change track and start complaining about how racist it is for a white family to adopt a black child.

True, there are still a lot of white people who think blacks should be kept in their own communities and shouldn't mix with whites and that interracial families are a horrible idea.

Kronk, have an Exalt!

 d-usa wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Does the news that the black girl is the adopted sister of the girl leaning on her help calm down the accusations of racism at all?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/models-from-racist-gap-ad-are-sisters-2016-4?r=US&IR=T

No, people will just change track and start complaining about how racist it is for a white family to adopt a black child.

True, there are still a lot of white people who think blacks should be kept in their own communities and shouldn't mix with whites and that interracial families are a horrible idea.

And a tiny minority of black people who think the same. Like the white people, they're idiots. They're all idiots.

Crispy78 wrote:
Does the news that the black girl is the adopted sister of the girl leaning on her help calm down the accusations of racism at all?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/models-from-racist-gap-ad-are-sisters-2016-4?r=US&IR=T

People who make claims like this don't care for facts. They don't want facts. Ideologists / leftists don't care for facts, they hate them. With a passion.

Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

edit: nevermind, MrDWhitey beat me to it.

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

I logged in for the first time in years just to tell you that this is by far the dumbest thing I have ever come across. What you are arguing for is essentially Seperate But Equal, 'No Whites Allowed' signs, and the entire and total establishment of the 14th amendment.

MLK, Lincoln, and JFK are spinning in their respective graves so fething hard we can hook wires up to them and generate enough electricity to power the world. Congrats on being both this dense and creating a new form of sustainable energy.

 Chowderhead wrote:

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

I logged in for the first time in years just to tell you that this is by far the dumbest thing I have ever come across. What you are arguing for is essentially Seperate But Equal, 'No Whites Allowed' signs, and the entire and total establishment of the 14th amendment.

MLK, Lincoln, and JFK are spinning in their respective graves so fething hard we can hook wires up to them and generate enough electricity to power the world. Congrats on being both this dense and creating a new form of sustainable energy.

I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm. At least, I hope it is. That or Patsy02 is actually Spike Lee (who is notorious for his anti-white/anti-interracial ideals)

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

Dear lord, let this be sarcasm.

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

4/10

Nice try.


You get points for playing the black militant angle instead of the tired old Stormfront approach.

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

Don't they already do that? There are lots of racially segregated ghettoes in Europe and America...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Patsy02 wrote:
Personally, I think all proud Persons Of Colour should throw off the shackles of white imperialism and start co-habitating in coloured-only communities. This is the only way to escape centuries of oppression, and eventually overthrow society-wide white supremacy.

Don't they already do that? There are lots of racially segregated ghettoes in Europe and America...

There are also plenty of nice middle-class and upscale black communities in the United States without drug and gang problems. Your point?

Ghettos like that only exist because of institutional racism and the negrophobes who like to see us locked in a pig pen like animals. The more you deny this fact, the more you just prove my point. And by the way, invalidating my experience is gross and racist.

 MrDwhitey wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Does the news that the black girl is the adopted sister of the girl leaning on her help calm down the accusations of racism at all?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/models-from-racist-gap-ad-are-sisters-2016-4?r=US&IR=T

No, people will just change track and start complaining about how racist it is for a white family to adopt a black child.

True, there are still a lot of white people who think blacks should be kept in their own communities and shouldn't mix with whites and that interracial families are a horrible idea.

And a tiny minority of black people who think the same. Like the white people, they're idiots. They're all idiots.

True, and I would argue against that.

Just wanted to point out that interracial families are not just a problem for some black people.

I also wanted to point it out since I am a recipient of this criticism from white people on a regular basis.

2 things. 1) don't paint an entire side of the political spectrum as X or Y, that's a certain path to a warning. 2) please ensure your posts are relevant and on topic, thanks

Yeah they're donkey-caves.

I guess it'll never be eliminated, but it should get better as time goes on. As an aside in my earlier post I actually put in stats on interracial marriage approval for some reason I then edited out.

Think it was 84% white approval and 96% black approval in 2013. Unsurprisingly it was more likely for older people to disapprove.

Patsy02 wrote:
Ghettos like that only exist because of institutional racism and the negrophobes who like to see us locked in a pig pen like animals. The more you deny this fact, the more you just prove my point. And by the way, invalidating my experience is gross and racist.

Hey I never said they do that out of choice. You're projecting quite a lot there.

Looks like 7% of marriage in the US are interracial marriages right now (I think that is both old and new marriages, new marriages are higher of course):

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

Of course the US is pretty big, and it also varies from state to state with some states being more accepting of it in general.

I know it's anecdotal, but my personal experience is that a large number of people still have problems with it here in Oklahoma. My wife and I still get disapproving looks when we are out and about together, constantly get asked "separate checks", I have had numerous people around me (who don't know I am in an interracial marriage and have a mixed-race child) talk about how people need to stick to their own races and that being a mixed race child is worse than having a physical or mental disability. Some of those people were the reason I felt compelled to quit volunteering for the fire department that I was with for 5 years.

But I also have a large circle of friends who are also in interracial marriages (white/Hispanic, white/African, white/native, white/Filipino) as well as one of my brothers and a fair number of cousins. So even though I am still reminded that bigotry is real, I am also reminded that progress is happening as well.

My daughter looks very white, but if she is playing with her cousins on my wife's side she could end up in a similar picture at some point in time. I honestly don't think Gap had any racist intentions, and they probably didn't anticipate that anybody could view it in that way. Walking away from the picture and changing it was probably the smart thing to do. No company survives an internet argument without any damage, and by the time they explain that they were sisters it wouldn't change that some people feel that looking at that picture shows oppression. They have to pick their battles.

 kronk wrote:
I don't doubt that her feelings are real. She is welcome to them. Just like the lady yesterday who wasn't allowed to board with group 1 on my United flight and had to go get in the Group 5 line "Oh, well then! I'll just go to the back of the bus!" (Yes, this literally happened yesterday)
.

Similar thing happened to me today while running into a gas station to get a drink. An enormously fat lady was standing directly in the doorway and I had to sidestep around her. She starts screaming "Oh it's like Birmingham in the 60's!" It took me a minute to figure it out, as I just thought she was a fat lady blocking the door, but apparently I was a racist. The funniest part was the South Asian clerk who was way darker than her laughed in her face and said "Maybe he couldn't see you." That sent her into more of a huff, calling everyone racist etc. Pretty funny to me at least.

Not the first time I've seen things like this, and it saddens me the GAP would cave to such bullcrap. They should focus on selling overpriced sweatshop made clothes, not catering to whiny racists online.

Walking around somebody blocking a doorway is racist?...

This is literally the face I'm pulling right now.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Walking around somebody blocking a doorway is racist?...

This is literally the face I'm pulling right now.

Look at this way.

In America, there is a large contingent of Black culture that blames White America for all the ills of the world. They get raised from an early age being told that the White Devil hates you for being you, and that racism is the reason why things aren't going their way.

The fact that there is a roughly equal proportion of White Americans that believes that gak and actually are outspoken racists reinforces that attitude and makes things gakky for regular people. Like I've actually met a guy that was so proudly racist he refused to admit Beyonce was hot. fething Beyonce.

Is she though?






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That still answer the question however of why is it racist to move past somebody blocking a doorway?

That's a gigantic stretch in !ogic even for the usual race baiters.

 Polonius wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
She won. The ad was removed.

Sure.. but what did she win? Talking of winning and losing is very zero sum thinking, which is actually one of the factors that leads to racism.

So I don't see winners or losers.

I guess I see it this way. You scream RACISM, you are doing it for a purpose. The purpose in this case is to show awareness to a cute ad about kids and your idea that a white kid shouldn't lean on a black kid like that. You get enough support and there is enough of an outcry, the ad is pulled. Mission accomplished. When mission is accomplished, there is a winner.

In fact, we are all losers in this case. Get upset about the ad all you want. When it gets to the point of calling it blatant racism to such a degree that the ad is pulled...well, I'm downright sad about that.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is she though?

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That still answer the question however of why is it racist to move past somebody blocking a doorway?

That's a gigantic stretch in !ogic even for the usual race baiters.

Lol I've never seen that picture.

The answer to your question is that I was a White male and therefore an excuse to get mad at. There was nothing even remotely racial about the situation, some people just need to get butthurt about something.

Was she moving veeery slowly towards the door to go into the store? I've been behind extremely fat people going into a store and been tempted to make the trek around them as well. Maybe she thought you should wait for her since she was there first or hold the door for her?

Not saying you should have (I've seen people actually hit their head on a door's edge in efforts to only open the door enough to slip their own body into the opening so as to not exert any more effort than completely necessary) but you may have not noticed her glacial progress and thought she was just standing there.

Or maybe you're just the Flash and don't know it...

 d-usa wrote:
Looks like 7% of marriage in the US are interracial marriages right now (I think that is both old and new marriages, new marriages are higher of course):

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

Of course the US is pretty big, and it also varies from state to state with some states being more accepting of it in general.

I know it's anecdotal, but my personal experience is that a large number of people still have problems with it here in Oklahoma. My wife and I still get disapproving looks when we are out and about together, constantly get asked "separate checks", I have had numerous people around me (who don't know I am in an interracial marriage and have a mixed-race child) talk about how people need to stick to their own races and that being a mixed race child is worse than having a physical or mental disability. Some of those people were the reason I felt compelled to quit volunteering for the fire department that I was with for 5 years.

Even here in the Netherlands (which I like to think is one of the most liberal and progressive places in the world) interracial marriages are still seen negatively by a lot of people. I had a black girlfriend, and people virtually always reacted weird when they saw her for the first time ("oh, you hadn't told me she was black..."). The local Russian community was of course... a lot more clear about their dissapproval. But at least that was expected.

I cant believe this is still a topic lol. It is not raciast but what ever it is a bunch of kids trying to look cool.

But more importantly screw the people offended by this big time screw them. If these two girls are sisters what is it doing to them? Two sister choosen for a big photo shoot get their pictures taken then people start one is white one is black your not the same. It is two little girls told they are in the middle of a racist disbute....god love them and hope they are ok.

Btw I get it some people are treated racest and it is not cool but seriously this is a strech. Stop being offended FOR other people.

If I had to find something to be offended about it would be the slightly sexualized poses more than an arm on Mini-Michonne's head.

I think it's important to draw a distinction between someone being a racist and someone doing someting racist. Just like one can stretch one's arm and inadvertently punch someone in the face, I'd argue that it's entirely possible to do or say something racist without believing in racist ideals.

As an example, take Iron_Captain's anecdote: people assume his girlfriend is white. The people doing so probably aren't racists in the sense that they believe in major differences in the genotype between different "races" of humans, but the assumption is still one based in racist assumptions.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I think it's important to draw a distinction between someone being a racist and someone doing someting racist. Just like one can stretch one's arm and inadvertently punch someone in the face, I'd argue that it's entirely possible to do or say something racist without believing in racist ideals.

As an example, take Iron_Captain's anecdote: people assume his girlfriend is white. The people doing so probably aren't racists in the sense that they believe in major differences in the genotype between different "races" of humans, but the assumption is still one based in racist assumptions.

That's prejudice, not racism, AW. Very big difference between the two.