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The "legends" stories are at present, nought but a midden for the story group to mine in order to extract nuggets that will be given a trim, polish and reuse.
So expect to see characters that sort of resemble ones you remember reading about, but don't have the same names.
Which is about as good a fate as can befall it.
(It was never canon. Was never going to be Canon and bits only became so because they got used in "G-canon" (the films) or as part of the "going forward" direction - i.e "TCW" & "rebels" which has brought other older legends material into the canon.)
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
Swastakowey wrote: I care more about the story and so on over anything else, but when people laugh or question why people have a problem with it this springs to mind very quickly.
I find it unbelievable. I go to the gym 1 hour a day every day and so I see the fittest people of both sexes in my area everyday. The strongest women are incredibly weak physically compared to even normal guys, of course im sure in some places in the world there are some bigger women but even then compared to most men they are not all that strong. Then in this trailer I see a twig of a lady take down storm troopers single highhandedly in a fist fight... no. Just no. Even if one of those storm troopers was obese, and another was a scrawny dude they would easily be able to do anything they want with her. It would be like playing with a toy. Although I hear they let females join the storm troopers now so maybe the odds are made a bit more even? Thats just my gripe with female action leads who aren't done right. I find it incredibly cringy personally.
I mean, does nobody face palm when the lead actress looks like image below but can beat down the best soldiers in the galaxy?
If realistic action is your concern then I'm not sure how you got through any of the Star Wars films. It isn't remotely plausible to have a farm kid and a smuggler walking around an enemy base defeating multiple groups of trained soldiers, but that's where Star Wars started, and it's only gotten crazier from there.
I have no idea why plausibility would only become a problem when you have a woman who's asked to perform tasks as implausible as those done by male characters.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
The insanity of the heroes' performance on the Death Star in ANH is a pretty frequent complaint among Star Wars criticisms, actually.
Personally, I've been begging for the Star Wars universe to have competent baddies for about 20 years now. It doesn't look like Disney plans on giving that to me any time soon, unfortunately.
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Swastakowey wrote: I care more about the story and so on over anything else, but when people laugh or question why people have a problem with it this springs to mind very quickly.
I find it unbelievable. I go to the gym 1 hour a day every day and so I see the fittest people of both sexes in my area everyday. The strongest women are incredibly weak physically compared to even normal guys, of course im sure in some places in the world there are some bigger women but even then compared to most men they are not all that strong. Then in this trailer I see a twig of a lady take down storm troopers single highhandedly in a fist fight... no. Just no. Even if one of those storm troopers was obese, and another was a scrawny dude they would easily be able to do anything they want with her. It would be like playing with a toy. Although I hear they let females join the storm troopers now so maybe the odds are made a bit more even? Thats just my gripe with female action leads who aren't done right. I find it incredibly cringy personally.
I mean, does nobody face palm when the lead actress looks like image below but can beat down the best soldiers in the galaxy?
If realistic action is your concern then I'm not sure how you got through any of the Star Wars films. It isn't remotely plausible to have a farm kid and a smuggler walking around an enemy base defeating multiple groups of trained soldiers, but that's where Star Wars started, and it's only gotten crazier from there.
I have no idea why plausibility would only become a problem when you have a woman who's asked to perform tasks as implausible as those done by male characters.
You mean the event where Darth Vader put a tracking beacon on their ship (so they were meant to make it)? Which leigh had a huge hand in? (because unlike the latest batch of female heroines she was pretty tame).
Or the horrible Battle for Endor which was by most accounts silly?
If luke beat some storm troopers to death with a mace and had the physique of an 8 year old boy then yea I probably wouldnt have watched starwars.
You are correct its gotten crazier from there, but in that same vein they have also gotten worse from there too. Coincidence?
Anyway as I said, I don't particularly care, but I find it baffling why people are so shocked when the casting choices are criticized.
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Even in totally original works people generally know how things will turn out overall
" I am your father..."
Nobody seen that coming, and anybody that tells you otherwise is a damn liar!
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Even in totally original works people generally know how things will turn out overall
" I am your father..."
Nobody seen that coming, and anybody that tells you otherwise is a damn liar!
Except, you know, Oedipus Rex...
Also, it's actually a pretty gakky plot twist. Obi-Wan was supposed to be a wise old man that we could trust and the reveal that Vader is Luke's father just makes him out to be a manipulative dick.
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
Considering that she ed up which language Vader means father in (Dutch, not German. German it's "Vater"), as well as the pronunciation, I cannot actually give her credit for this.
Sigvatr wrote: Kyle Katarn will always be the one who stole the Death Star plans and no retconning will change this!
Very good-looking trailer so far. Liked the totallynotOmahaBeach scene
Katarn alone didn't steal the plans. He got partial plans from Danuta as part of Operation: Skyhook. It wasn't until Toprawa that the Rebellion finally had a complete set of plans, and that was what led to the Tantive IV fleeing Devastator to be over Tatooine and get the whole "A New Hope" ball rolling.
If they decide to keep Toprawa in continuity...just damn. The Empire's punishment for the planet being part of the Rebellion's intelligence network was to bombard all the major population centers and force the populace into barbarism. They blockaded the system and strictly controlled the flow of supplies, forcing the populace to work for the Imperial troops planetside.
@kanluwen & sigvatr: Arg why do you guys make me miss the 'jedi knight' series so much? I only played outcast and academy but man those were fun, fun games. I haven't played many 'star wars' games since but KotOR never held me like that series did.
Jedi Outcast: Start out as han solo/rogue wanna-be (to an extent) and by end-game turn into a demi-god that probably gets it on with that attractive woman once credits roll.
Kyle Katarn is basically the more fun kind of jedi. He's good but has a bit of bad in him.
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Kyle Katarn would make for an amazing series. He's such an interesting character who went from Imperials to Rebels, even questioned said decision, has an awesome partner with Jan Ors, making up for hilarious movie moments and awesome chemistry / buddy moments, later on even becomes a Jedi. Yes, he isn't black or a woman, but come on Disney, his stories are awesome and a lot of people /love/ him!
Hmmm, it seems this is normal for him. I have to be honest I dont like it, it's simply not right.
See:
Spoiler:
It seems he wears shoe laces when there is a dress code which requires it. One day he will fall mark my words. At his age falls cannot be taken lightly.
So, I've watched the teaser a few more times and I've been thinking on it.
First thing is, I am getting more hyped for the film because I started thinking about things that could happen in it.
Basically, I thought of a possible ending scene, then started extrapolating backwards. I'm gonna spoiler the rest of the post because my theories have been pretty darn accurate recently.
But I will stress, this is based entirely on only watching the teaser and way too much time reading http://www.tvtropes.org about way too many films.
I think I said the teaser really evokes a feeling of "The Dirty Dozen" or "Where Eagles Dare." So there's a bit of that too. Oh, and Serenity and I thought that before I found out Alan Tudyk was in the film.
Spoiler:
So, we have the Admiral, ISB, whatever guy. Imagine he survives the main action of the film.
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<Scene> Admiral is speaking over hologram to an unseen figure.
"We report the rebels are dead." <Pause, breathing is heard> "However, they managed to achieve their objective and have beamed a transmission to the outer rim. We believe it is the plans..."
Admiral starts grasping at his throat, struggling to breathe. <Rasping breathing becomes more prominent as the Admiral dies>
Offscreen voice: Captain, set course for Tatooine.
Camera swings round, Imperial Star Destroyer bridge and Darth Vader strides across. Screen wipe, cue the credits.
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Notice I said, "The Rebels are Dead." It seems to me that the only plausible outcome of this film, is Jyn and the rest of her crew all dying. We all know how Star Wars loves its "Hero of a thousand faces" and that sort of classical arc stuff.
Jyn would appear to be following the kinda Han Solo-ish arc of. "Nothing to believe in > Wavers > Comes good in the end." Sort of concept. However, I don't think they'll follow that exactly. I'm thinking something more, Boromir like.
So, I've got this image of. The Heist is completed, Jyn and her merry band have the Death Star plans but... They're trapped.
Their only option, for the future of the Rebellion, Jyn having now truly realised the sheer horror of the Death Star is to transmit the plans via a massive interstellar transmitter station.
They take it over but it requires time to pull off (this is my Serenity bit). As they work on this, the Imperials arrive. - Now, we know from the teaser that Jyn's worked undercover during the film, probably met the Admiral and the Inquisitor type baddy too.
Surprisingly, the Empire asks them to surrender. Destroy the plans, betray the Rebellion and they'll live (albeit in prison). In fact, she'll even get rewarded, everything she ever asked for. But these people she's met during her adventure, they're her friends. She refuses the deal.
Big final battle, the merry band dies one by one. Jyn's wounded. The Inquisitor stalks towards her (having received injuries from Ninja dude, but still standing and having dispatched said ninja dude).
Jyn coughes blood. Yet, she's looking at a progress bar above her.
The Inquisitor speaks. "Look at all this. Your allies dead. And for what? It's futile to resist The Dark Side. Why would you throw away your life for this... Rebellion?"
Progress Bar Reaches 100%
Jyn says something suitable heroic. (No other child will have to live in fear?)
Transmission Completed.
Thermal Detonator rolls out from underneath Jyn.
Transmission Station explodes, screen covered in flames.
A musical instrument is heard... A flute... Screenwipe.
Prince Leia's Theme "My my, R2, a transmission you say?" Whistles. "I shall get the Princess at once."
Fadeout, to the epilogue that started this train of thought.
Of course, I might be completely wrong (and may very well be) but man, just thinking about all that, all the possibilities in there just got me so completely hyped for the film.
At least "The Force Awakens" is out on DVD next week...
ed up which language Vader means father in (Dutch, not German. German it's "Vater"), as well as the pronunciation, I cannot actually give her credit for this.
