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Added it to my previous post.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
How what can be abused?

Are you not at all familiar with Doxing?

Or "meat search" as it's called in China.

Oh... That's what that means. I thought that was a "dating site" thing.

I need to cancel a few accounts...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 feeder wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
....l "there are no bad tactics only bad targets " .....

I've seen this posted before, so I'm not having a go at you personally.

Does anyone know the context of this quote?

I could actually get behind it if the inference was, "if the target is bad, ie emailing death/rape threats to youtube personalities, then all tactics are valid"

I don't know where it originated, but its a commonly used term by people who are typically characterized as "SJW's".

Right, I understand it is a "SJW" quote. I am wondering about the context of that quote. Is it "all targets are bad therefore all tactics are valid"?

Also, this is completely irrelevant to the topic but I found it whilst looking up the previous quote.

Spoiler:

Ah, it's an invisible melon. I thought they were trying to conjure up a hadouken against their foes.

Right, I understand it is a "SJW" quote. I am wondering about the context of that quote. Is it "all targets are bad therefore all tactics are valid"?

See the image I posted, it shows the original conversation on twitter. And here's a direct link. It was a response to someone who suggested that Bob Chipman may be straying across the line and engaging in abuse himself. Basically, what he appears to be saying is that its not the act itself he opposes (trolling, abuse, doxxing etc), its the target. He's fine with it when its done to someone he personally dislikes.

Which makes him a massive hypocrite peddling empty rhetoric.

https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/521611454689312768

I can't any other instances of the term that don't occur as a reference to Chipman, so Bob Chipman is probably the origin of the term.

So before the kickstarter got removed they wanted to create something like this, just for the other side and with reference to public posts? And people are mad at one list that doesn't even exist but are okay with the other?

So because we didn't discuss a completely different site in a discussion of one site, we obviously are ok with that site.

That's a pretty dishonest way to look at it.

I've never even seen that site before.

Mario wrote:
So before the kickstarter got removed they wanted to create something like this, just for the other side and with reference to public posts? And people are mad at one list that doesn't even exist but are okay with the other?

Didn't even know that one existed, and they obviously didn't kickstart it so that's probably why no is outraged. Does that list information to the same degree as Social Autopsy was hoping to do?

And No, I'm not a fan of that one either.

So this kind of name and shame site is not new. A handy database for the deluded trolls that have chosen a side in this pathetic little culture war to mine for victims.

Here's a thought. If you feel the need to send death/rape threats, or try to get fired/blacklisted someone you have never met and only know through their online persona, take a walk. Have a think.
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Mario wrote:
So before the kickstarter got removed they wanted to create something like this, just for the other side and with reference to public posts? And people are mad at one list that doesn't even exist but are okay with the other?

How can I mad at something I didn't even know existed? I've never heard of that website.

Are they engaging in doxxing, or is it just a list of prominent public figures? Theres a big difference between writing a wiki article on a public figure; and creating a database of profiles listing personal information, addresses, employers and contact details to name and shame ordinary members of the public who may or may not have engaged in hate speech (the definition of which is entirely arbitrary and subject to partisan bias).

Mario wrote:
So before the kickstarter got removed they wanted to create something like this, just for the other side and with reference to public posts? And people are mad at one list that doesn't even exist but are okay with the other?

I think there's a pretty big difference in that Vox Day (the guy who made the "SJW list" site) is a proud sexist and white supremacist* with an obsessive vendetta against "SJWs", and this latest site is nothing more than another round of him screaming "SJWS SUCK TUMBLR FEMINISM RUINS EVERYTHING". With the site in the OP there's at least the possibility of it being a genuine, if misguided, attempt to stop behavior that we can all agree is not acceptable.


*For once this is not actually "everyone on the internet is Hitler" exaggeration. He has openly argued for the inherent superiority of the white race, defended honor killings as a good thing for society because they make women behave, etc.

I don't think it's at all surprising that of the few communities I stick to passionately, most of them are ruled with an iron fist.

The explosion of social media has been great in many ways, but as with everything technological the law has lagged behind. I agree with Peregrine, I can understand wanting to invent some measure of recourse, to have *something* to fall back on in the worst case scenario, but even my strong Social Justice Rogue side can see where there could be problems. Just how much time and effort can be dedicated to vetting all of that data? Does this just become another tool of harassment with false claims?

That said, John Oliver goes over the topic of cyber bullying pretty thoroughly, and I do hope we eventually figure things out for the better, even if our solutions aren't perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNIwYsz7PI

 Peregrine wrote:

I think there's a pretty big difference in that Vox Day (the guy who made the "SJW list" site) is a proud sexist and white supremacist* with an obsessive vendetta against "SJWs", and this latest site is nothing more than another round of him screaming "SJWS SUCK TUMBLR FEMINISM RUINS EVERYTHING". With the site in the OP there's at least the possibility of it being a genuine, if misguided, attempt to stop behavior that we can all agree is not acceptable.


*For once this is not actually "everyone on the internet is Hitler" exaggeration. He has openly argued for the inherent superiority of the white race, defended honor killings as a good thing for society because they make women behave, etc.

I know he's a special kind of crazy that's why I wondered why nobody said anything about it. Some people have even asked to be added to his list.

I just don't know if such sites would/will help. If you look at GG then anyone who they turn their attention to for a while tends to get inconvenient massages (be it twitter, e-mail, or whatever channel can be found) and that happens through anonymous accounts so a list would be more or less useless (and if it's not GG then some splinter or sister group that is, of course, totally independent). The movement prides itself in being a hashtag and leaderless so they can deflect all accusations, no matter how much that pattern correlates in each instance. Milo only lost his twitter checkmark because he slipped up once and actually said that someone deserves to be harassed and then milked that "controversy" and tried to troll people while still complaining about SJW outrage culture (he literary creates outrage to funnel pageviews on his articles).

GG already has blacklists, people use personal blocklists (there are probably also lists on the other side that compile GG people) and I don't think adding another one to this pile would help anyone, even if it was with good intentions (although now people from both sides seem to pointing fingers at each other for the newest debacle).