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 gummyofallbears wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

Woah man don't throw that stuff around, especially not as insults. Not cool.

Additionally - This entire forum is to break rules or answer weird questions. RAI doesn't matter here.

It was a criticism not an insult, my intention was not make anyone cry but to induce some self-reflection.
As far as the forum is concerned YMDC is clearly all about how to navigate from an ambiguous or broken RAW to a sensible RAI. Otherwise what is the point? If all you want to do is get stuck in an infinite loop of broken RAW then what fun is that?

Maybe 40k should be IQ restricted, the way some movies are age restricted?

Me, and a lot of other people, don't consider autism a bad thing. I personally think it is horrible to use as an insult or a criticism, considering they both have negative connotations. Sorry for the off topic debate mods.

Also, OT: His Hull point value is zero so when he deploys does he deploy as a wreck or does he go titanic and explode like all other super heavy walkers during your first turn?

Technically he'd have 0 hull points before deployment, so he'd explode off the board. Technically since you can't measure distances off the board he wouldn't harm anyone else (friend or foe). It might be poetic justice to allow a bit of wreckage (a smoking boot or something) to be deployed on the board to indicate his remains, but that wouldn't be required. Thinking about it, it's probably for the best that he blows up before deployment so that we don't find someone putting him in Reserve then deploying a "Bobby G Bomb" during the game.

 doctortom wrote:
"Bobby G Bomb"

I love this forum. Just for stuff like that.

 SolarCross wrote:
Does Rowboat have to be a warlord? If he doesn't then I don't see why he couldn't be taken in an oathsworn providing some other model from another detachment was warlord.

But... but... then what would be argue about?

Seriously, though? No, he doesn't. Which, given the broken nature of the current rules, is probably the best solution going forward until GW issues an FAQ or Errata. Making Roboute a Lord Baron creates a game breaking discrepancy. I contend that the most reasonable practical solution is to not allow Roboute to be taken as Lord Baron.

Any solution that involves implementing parts of the Lord Baron rule while ignoring other parts seems sloppy and will likely be harder to sell to an average player.

Situation #1
"Yo, Baron Lord Roboute creates some massive rules issues. Let's just avoid the issue by not taking him." "OK"

Situation #2
"Yo, Baron Lord Roboute creates some massive rules issues... so let me sketch out which parts I'll be keeping and which parts I won't be keeping." "Um... if there are massive rules issues, why not just avoid taking him?"

 Kriswall wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:
Does Rowboat have to be a warlord? If he doesn't then I don't see why he couldn't be taken in an oathsworn providing some other model from another detachment was warlord.

But... but... then what would be argue about?

Seriously, though? No, he doesn't. Which, given the broken nature of the current rules, is probably the best solution going forward until GW issues an FAQ or Errata. Making Roboute a Lord Baron creates a game breaking discrepancy. I contend that the most reasonable practical solution is to not allow Roboute to be taken as Lord Baron.

Any solution that involves implementing parts of the Lord Baron rule while ignoring other parts seems sloppy and will likely be harder to sell to an average player.

Situation #1
"Yo, Baron Lord Roboute creates some massive rules issues. Let's just avoid the issue by not taking him." "OK"

Situation #2
"Yo, Baron Lord Roboute creates some massive rules issues... so let me sketch out which parts I'll be keeping and which parts I won't be keeping." "Um... if there are massive rules issues, why not just avoid taking him?"

Yeah that'll work. Though for what it is worth (not much) I don't see the issue with simply seeing Robby as a replacement for the Lord Baron and taking none of the Lord Baron rules on him. His rules do allow him to go in any IoM detachment and he can readily fit in a Household detachment without issues if you don't apply the Lord Baron rules to him. He just is robby, fills a slot, and is a warlord. I guess he should have the obsec that the detachment grants as it is not a Lord Baron specific thing and doesn't generate any absurdities.

 doctortom wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

Woah man don't throw that stuff around, especially not as insults. Not cool.

Additionally - This entire forum is to break rules or answer weird questions. RAI doesn't matter here.

It was a criticism not an insult, my intention was not make anyone cry but to induce some self-reflection.
As far as the forum is concerned YMDC is clearly all about how to navigate from an ambiguous or broken RAW to a sensible RAI. Otherwise what is the point? If all you want to do is get stuck in an infinite loop of broken RAW then what fun is that?

Maybe 40k should be IQ restricted, the way some movies are age restricted?

Me, and a lot of other people, don't consider autism a bad thing. I personally think it is horrible to use as an insult or a criticism, considering they both have negative connotations. Sorry for the off topic debate mods.

Also, OT: His Hull point value is zero so when he deploys does he deploy as a wreck or does he go titanic and explode like all other super heavy walkers during your first turn?

Technically he'd have 0 hull points before deployment, so he'd explode off the board. Technically since you can't measure distances off the board he wouldn't harm anyone else (friend or foe). It might be poetic justice to allow a bit of wreckage (a smoking boot or something) to be deployed on the board to indicate his remains, but that wouldn't be required. Thinking about it, it's probably for the best that he blows up before deployment so that we don't find someone putting him in Reserve then deploying a "Bobby G Bomb" during the game.

Yeah, that was what my brother and I were theorizing. find a way to deep strike him in and bomb the enemy with a fething primarch and have him stand back up again to do it again.

Which creates another rules question - Say that you find a way to have him go supernova on the table, when he stands back up, does he immediately do it again?

 gummyofallbears wrote:

 doctortom wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

 SolarCross wrote:

 gummyofallbears wrote:

Woah man don't throw that stuff around, especially not as insults. Not cool.

Additionally - This entire forum is to break rules or answer weird questions. RAI doesn't matter here.

It was a criticism not an insult, my intention was not make anyone cry but to induce some self-reflection.
As far as the forum is concerned YMDC is clearly all about how to navigate from an ambiguous or broken RAW to a sensible RAI. Otherwise what is the point? If all you want to do is get stuck in an infinite loop of broken RAW then what fun is that?

Maybe 40k should be IQ restricted, the way some movies are age restricted?

Me, and a lot of other people, don't consider autism a bad thing. I personally think it is horrible to use as an insult or a criticism, considering they both have negative connotations. Sorry for the off topic debate mods.

Also, OT: His Hull point value is zero so when he deploys does he deploy as a wreck or does he go titanic and explode like all other super heavy walkers during your first turn?

Technically he'd have 0 hull points before deployment, so he'd explode off the board. Technically since you can't measure distances off the board he wouldn't harm anyone else (friend or foe). It might be poetic justice to allow a bit of wreckage (a smoking boot or something) to be deployed on the board to indicate his remains, but that wouldn't be required. Thinking about it, it's probably for the best that he blows up before deployment so that we don't find someone putting him in Reserve then deploying a "Bobby G Bomb" during the game.

Yeah, that was what my brother and I were theorizing. find a way to deep strike him in and bomb the enemy with a fething primarch and have him stand back up again to do it again.

Which creates another rules question - Say that you find a way to have him go supernova on the table, when he stands back up, does he immediately do it again?

Why yes. Yes he does. Super Bobby G Double Bomb Special. That might almost be worth the points it would cost to take him. It would be tempting to let someone do it just for the humor potential.

First time i looked at this..... my mind exploded in both confusion and shock


Moral of the story here kiddies.... is that if it feels too broken to be true then someone has screwed up big time

FAQ is needed stat on this. Cause just........wtf......just wtf

although anyone think of another detachment/formation that guilliman would be a big no no?

mchammadad wrote:
First time i looked at this..... my mind exploded in both confusion and shock


Moral of the story here kiddies.... is that if it feels too broken to be true then someone has screwed up big time

FAQ is needed stat on this. Cause just........wtf......just wtf

although anyone think of another detachment/formation that guilliman would be a big no no?

Any one without a Lord of War slot. No taking him in things like the Inquisition detachment in the Imperial Agents Codex that has one mandatory elite slot and 3 optional elite slots, but no slots for other battlefield roles.