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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I'm just cackling over all the people who said they'd discontinue normal marines within a year.

Yeah, the Abbadon model is from, what, 1995? Games Workshop has been known to keep things in circulation for a long, long time.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

BA and DA didn't get any new primaris releases same for DW its just intercessors + chapter upgrade sprue not a new release.

Both BA and DA got unique Lieutenant figs with their codexes.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angel-Primaris-Lieutenant-Tolmeron-2017
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dangels-Primaris-Lieutenant-Zakariah-2017

They are both Primaris Lieutenants.

 godardc wrote:

CassianSol wrote:

B... b... but nothing's been released!!!

Yeah, nothing has to be released, the SM model line is in a great place.

Plus everyone complained at the pre-Primaris attempts at adding to the SM line. The Stalker/Hunter is a nothing and the Centurions are a mess. The line was at a creative end.

So it was perfect, and didn't need any further abomination like the "agressors"

Primaris are an elegant solution really. as it allows them to produce a full range of "differant space marines"

I like them. I also think the fluff is just fine. The galaxy is a big place and I like the idea of having more options... not less. Not surprised to see the moaning minority on Dakka moan (Neck-beards on this site literally complain about everything and anything)

I'd give the whole Primaris line a solid 7.5/10.

 Primark G wrote:

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Ice_can wrote:

BA and DA didn't get any new primaris releases same for DW its just intercessors + chapter upgrade sprue not a new release.

Both BA and DA got unique Lieutenant figs with their codexes.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Blood-Angel-Primaris-Lieutenant-Tolmeron-2017
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dangels-Primaris-Lieutenant-Zakariah-2017

They are both Primaris Lieutenants.

Yes, what's your point? He said they didn't get any new Primaris releases and I corrected him.

My take on primaris is that they are simply a way to continue the marine train without completely ridiculous models:
-Intercessors: tacts... but different
-Inceptors: Assault marines... but different
etc...

Whether they intend to continue both ranges is up for debate since we don't know. GW may plan to keep them now, but if in 10 years they don't sell as well as primaris... then the old marines might get the axe.

Though, my problem with primaris is the fact that they clash so much with old models, and the way their stats could have been given to old marines but weren't. So either you get tough squads or customizable squads when I'd rather just have both in one.

Whether Primaris replace standard marines I think depends on how well they sold. Of all the units released so far, few are replacements. Most sit along side an existing marine unit. If the Primaris sold well then I would expect a Primaris only codex and new models. If sold badly than we stay where we're at. If it was in the middle we'll probably see a bit of both.

By all accounts, I can't remember exactly where I read this, but the Primaris line isn't meeting GW sales expectations. Which I think seems to be the case given the range feels like it has stalled.

As an aside, what the Hell is that Primaris abomination that FW released?

I believe he's talking about the Astraeus Super-heavy Tank

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-2017

Dandelion wrote:
My take on primaris is that they are simply a way to continue the marine train without completely ridiculous models:
-Intercessors: tacts... but different
-Inceptors: Assault marines... but different
etc...

Whether they intend to continue both ranges is up for debate since we don't know. GW may plan to keep them now, but if in 10 years they don't sell as well as primaris... then the old marines might get the axe.

Though, my problem with primaris is the fact that they clash so much with old models, and the way their stats could have been given to old marines but weren't. So either you get tough squads or customizable squads when I'd rather just have both in one.

Yeah, the only beef I have with the models is that they’ve been streamlined to have as few customizable options as possible, which is counter to the direction the game was going in a few editions ago. This leaves oldmarines with a bunch of legacy options and Primaris with almost none, which would be fine if both model ranges were supported and complete armies. As we’re still in the dark about support for the future and Primaris still lack a real transport option, that means they have to mesh in a way that highlights the difference in an ugly way.

 godardc wrote:
I have just read Dark Imperium, and oh man, the primaris fluff in it is just god awful. It is like a giant advertisement for primaris. Like when they fight the Iron Warrior: this scene was painful to read.
But the book, overall, was better than expected.

Oh it wasn't that bad and it certainly gives a nice insight into what Guilliman thinks about this current Imperium (he hates everything, but he is willing to put that aside to save humanity). The bits with the Priest and the Hospital planet were exceptionally good for me. Plus we get to learn about how the Primaris are trained and where they come from (most were on ice from Guillimans days and are just as pissed as he is!). The real gem I still think was the primaris in combat on the spire and the Captain was thinking to himself "man, I really wish I had a missile launcher or a lascannon for fire support," which kind of hits home about how their organization is far different than what is expected or understood by even the marines themselves. Clearly Guilliman has a plan but its not yet shown itself. Theres some good stuff in that novel but I think most people are soured on Primaris fluff before they even start so often their opinions are formed before they even start reading.

Tbh, why I love the marine line so much is its modularity. You can take the arms, shoulder pads, weapons, heads, torsos, legs and back backs from hundreds of kits across FW and GW and they all fit together. The primaris have a set of about 5 poses for their bodys and legs, and their arms are slightly too long, and their guns aren't modular. Only the head, shoulder pads and backpacks are interchangeable. It's quite hard to make them unique, and your own army. Everyone and their dog had the same set of guys from dark imperium now. Luckily I think I managed to add some personalisation by using different heads and adding lots of parchment and purity seals, but it's not much. Tbh I'll probably only ever buy another 5 hell blasters for unit completion and leave it at that. But I'll buy any and all limited edition captains. The guy with the power fist and plasma pistol. Great model.

I've used reivers for grey knight strike squads, intecessors for dev bodies & captains, marine arms on intercessors, marine torsos on intercessors for veteran squads, you name it.

Basically the one thing that is definitely not transferable are the tiny legs. They have to go. Everything else can be used, with varying degrees of difficulty.

But yeah, helmets, shoulders and packs are identical in scale.

If people haven;t realised yet it's pointless arguing about these kind of topics.

There are three kinds of people:

Type 1 - Nice models, good change, lore lacking a bit but i'll give it chance. I don;t mind them let's play fun toy soldiers.

Type 2 - Nice Models and I don't mind the lore. Is it possible that Space marines with 10k years worth of exclusive research a bit taller, have an extra wound and one extra attack, yes I think so. I like them, let's play fun toy soldiers.

Type 3 - OMG NO I HATE THESE I HATE CHANGE GW IS gak, I CONTINUE TO BUY PLASTIC CRACK BUT GW ARE A HORRIBLE COMPANY I HATE EVERYTHING THEY DO BUT I HAVE 15K WORTH OF FOUR ARMIES. NEVER BUYING THEM EVERY THEY ARE HORRIBLE.

Because people are unwilling to be dissuade because they have their opinion and that's that, these topics are pointless.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
If people haven;t realised yet it's pointless arguing about these kind of topics.

There are three kinds of people:

Type 1 - Nice models, good change, lore lacking a bit but i'll give it chance. I don;t mind them let's play fun toy soldiers.

Type 2 - Nice Models and I don't mind the lore. Is it possible that Space marines with 10k years worth of exclusive research a bit taller, have an extra wound and one extra attack, yes I think so. I like them, let's play fun toy soldiers.

Type 3 - OMG NO I HATE THESE I HATE CHANGE GW IS gak, I CONTINUE TO BUY PLASTIC CRACK BUT GW ARE A HORRIBLE COMPANY I HATE EVERYTHING THEY DO BUT I HAVE 15K WORTH OF FOUR ARMIES. NEVER BUYING THEM EVERY THEY ARE HORRIBLE.

Because people are unwilling to be dissuade because they have their opinion and that's that, these topics are pointless.

Well the point of this post wasn't to argue any of your well summarized positions. It's a general discussion on the state of affairs of Primaris lines around the time of their 1 year mark - hence this is why this post is in 'general discussion' and not 'proposed rules.'

Literally NO ONE has been trying to persuade another so far - they are simply discussing what they like and dislike about them. Not so sure what's gotten you so riled up?

Darth Bad wrote:

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I'm just cackling over all the people who said they'd discontinue normal marines within a year.

Yeah, the Abbadon model is from, what, 1995? Games Workshop has been known to keep things in circulation for a long, long time.

I bought an Asurmen (same sculpt as the current model) off Ebay to avoid skinny limbs in Finecast. He came in the original packaging. Dated 1993.

My Asurmen is older than I am.

I don't like their lore that much, but the models are cool (especially the Inceptors) and the plasma ones do quite the work with my DAs.

It saddens me that marines will be outphased the next few years..

I loved the old Land Raider, Devastators (favorite 40k unit) and even Tactical Marines, Assault Marines.

The Primaris does nothing for me. Their terrible lore, their unit names and the new vehicle. All absolutely terrible.
I have shelved a big SM army and no longer adds to it or buy new stuff that I know will be outdated eventually.

I will admit I am saddened by this change....

The Primaris does nothing for me. Their terrible lore, their unit names and the new vehicle. All absolutely terrible.
I have shelved a big SM army and no longer adds to it or buy new stuff that I know will be outdated eventually.

I will admit I am saddened by this change....

I'll second this. It has killed any motivation I have had to build any kind of loyalist Marine army. I really wanted to do Grey Knights and Black Templars, but now...no. I can't stand the idea of mix matching old and new marines (it looks absolutely fething stupid on every level. My OCD would go nuts) or buying outdated models that I know will not be supported in the future. I've already done that enough with Warhammer Fantasy, I don't need that for 40K too.

 Brutus_Apex wrote:

The Primaris does nothing for me. Their terrible lore, their unit names and the new vehicle. All absolutely terrible.
I have shelved a big SM army and no longer adds to it or buy new stuff that I know will be outdated eventually.

I will admit I am saddened by this change....

I'll second this. It has killed any motivation I have had to build any kind of loyalist Marine army. I really wanted to do Grey Knights and Black Templars, but now...no. I can't stand the idea of mix matching old and new marines (it looks absolutely fething stupid on every level. My OCD would go nuts) or buying outdated models that I know will not be supported in the future. I've already done that enough with Warhammer Fantasy, I don't need that for 40K too.

Just bide you time and play sisters, you know you want to!

Just bide you time and play sisters, you know you want to!

Truer words have never been spoken. I'm super excited for sisters. I'm going to spend all the money.

 Draccan wrote:
It saddens me that marines will be outphased the next few years..

I loved the old Land Raider, Devastators (favorite 40k unit) and even Tactical Marines, Assault Marines.

The Primaris does nothing for me. Their terrible lore, their unit names and the new vehicle. All absolutely terrible.
I have shelved a big SM army and no longer adds to it or buy new stuff that I know will be outdated eventually.

I will admit I am saddened by this change....

I sincerly doubt old Marines are going to be gone anytime soon, Primaris I suspect are intended as the "entry level marines"

We have to wait for some new models to revitalize the Primaris line. I would like to see myself Primaris Land Raider and Jetbikes.

Fluff is atrocious, but it has been since Gathering Storm, so eh...

Models are gorgeous, and i like the general beefing up of marine rules, but they're still lacklustre, which is a bit sad. But maybe they buff them at some point.

The biggest problem at this point is the lack of options. As many people have noted, Primaris and minimarines look stupid together, so I run pure Primaris. At that point the lack of options is pretty crippling though. It is also boring from modelling perspective; I'm fine with legion style squads with uniform weapons, but I really wish that I could at least properly customise my characters and squad leaders.

I really hope we get a second wave of the Primaris soon, but that probably doesn't happen until all the codices are done.

 Crimson Devil wrote:
I believe he's talking about the Astraeus Super-heavy Tank

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Astraeus-Super-heavy-Tank-2017

Well I mean considering the absolutely outrageous price of that thing I'm not surprised its not popular. Even the rules on it are not even good.

 Crimson wrote:
Fluff is atrocious, but it has been since Gathering Storm, so eh...

Models are gorgeous, and i like the general beefing up of marine rules, but they're still lacklustre, which is a bit sad. But maybe they buff them at some point.

The biggest problem at this point is the lack of options. As many people have noted, Primaris and minimarines look stupid together, so I run pure Primaris. At that point the lack of options is pretty crippling though. It is also boring from modelling perspective; I'm fine with legion style squads with uniform weapons, but I really wish that I could at least properly customise my characters and squad leaders.

I really hope we get a second wave of the Primaris soon, but that probably doesn't happen until all the codices are done.

my gut says we'll see Primaris wave 2 with the space wolves. if ultramarines have any compeition for the title of "GW's fav chapter" it's be the space wolves. the Space Wplves unique orginization also make some sort of "vetern option" more important. that said I don't thinki we're gonna get old marine style flexability with them

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Fluff is atrocious, but it has been since Gathering Storm, so eh...

Models are gorgeous, and i like the general beefing up of marine rules, but they're still lacklustre, which is a bit sad. But maybe they buff them at some point.

The biggest problem at this point is the lack of options. As many people have noted, Primaris and minimarines look stupid together, so I run pure Primaris. At that point the lack of options is pretty crippling though. It is also boring from modelling perspective; I'm fine with legion style squads with uniform weapons, but I really wish that I could at least properly customise my characters and squad leaders.

I really hope we get a second wave of the Primaris soon, but that probably doesn't happen until all the codices are done.

my gut says we'll see Primaris wave 2 with the space wolves. if ultramarines have any compeition for the title of "GW's fav chapter" it's be the space wolves. the Space Wplves unique orginization also make some sort of "veterinarian option" more important. that said I don't thinki we're gonna get old marine style flexability with them

There, fixed it for you.


I totally agree, new Primaris unit types will come with the codex. I would really like more loadouts for Inceptors(flamestorm)& aggressors(deep strike). A way to get intercessors up the board cheaply would be really nice(cawl pattern assault speeder).

Racerguy180 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Fluff is atrocious, but it has been since Gathering Storm, so eh...

Models are gorgeous, and i like the general beefing up of marine rules, but they're still lacklustre, which is a bit sad. But maybe they buff them at some point.

The biggest problem at this point is the lack of options. As many people have noted, Primaris and minimarines look stupid together, so I run pure Primaris. At that point the lack of options is pretty crippling though. It is also boring from modelling perspective; I'm fine with legion style squads with uniform weapons, but I really wish that I could at least properly customise my characters and squad leaders.

I really hope we get a second wave of the Primaris soon, but that probably doesn't happen until all the codices are done.

my gut says we'll see Primaris wave 2 with the space wolves. if ultramarines have any compeition for the title of "GW's fav chapter" it's be the space wolves. the Space Wplves unique orginization also make some sort of "veterinarian option" more important. that said I don't thinki we're gonna get old marine style flexability with them

There, fixed it for you.


I totally agree, new Primaris unit types will come with the codex. I would really like more loadouts for Inceptors(flamestorm)& aggressors(deep strike). A way to get intercessors up the board cheaply would be really nice(cawl pattern assault speeder).

Sadly I'm pretty much resigned to the repulsor being Primaris' main transport.

But I'm looking through the book carefully, and here's what I see.. right now we have the HQs covered (with the notable exception of the tech marine. granted we lack plastic tech marines of any stripe) we have 2 close support, 2 heavy support, 1 battleine (and I doubt we'll get another) 1 dreadnought and 1 tank.

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that the redmpetor dreadnought was the first in a line so we could potentially see another dread, but the BIIIIG thing Primaris Marines are missing, almost obviously so, are veterans.

My guess is wave 2 will revolve around a Primaris Vetern choice

I could see a venerable Redemptor w invuln. veterans w more assault/sniper shooting options would work, chainsword reivers, flamestorm Inceptors.

I love the poses, the clean lack of fuss on the models. They look like a special forces type thing now which is what marines should be. I hope they do a bit more for space wolves, more than an upgrade sprue. I love the models so much I sold a full battle company and more of old marines and got a whole new army of Primaris. I like all the types of infantry. The dread and love the repulsor. It looks modern without losing the 40k vibe.
They made me unable to look at old marines and not see how out of whack the proportions were on them. Not something that’d ever bothered me before.

Fluff wise I think they’re ok, they had to change things up as marines were all done. No new models to make/sell. I think watching the storm cast release model will be how the marines will develop. Gw will move the story forward, making more fluff, Primaris special characters and veteran units. Specialist and the like. Like they have with different chambers of stormcast. Hopefully unique units to chapters. They’ve had a lot to get out this year so next 12 months I think we will see the story moving on and new stuff all over. And don’t forget it took 39yrars for marines to get to where they were.