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 BroodSpawn wrote:
Is it wrong to find players that push for tournament-practice games in a group that don't play tournaments annoying?
Like I can deal with TFG's, I can deal with the bad BO (nose is shot but I'll carry a can of deo in my bag just in case), I can even handle bad winners and losers (having been one or the other at some point in time).

But pushing a style of gaming on a group that's predominately (like a 5:1 ratio) not into that style of gaming... that just irks me

I have a friend who asks me to run dirty lists with him once in awhile, but on that point I dont entirely see the issue if they ask. If they PESTER constantly, thats one thing. But if you tell them flat out firmly that none of you are interested, they may back off. Be firm, dont suggest.

I mentioned this in another thread- not 40k related at all, but just one of the absolute worst players I've ever encountered in any game ever.

Years ago, a relatively small MMORPG was shut down, but there were private servers out there capable of hosting games for a select few. You had to be invited, never share any links, and everyone was screened. They were trying to avoid the toxic players showing up. I invited a guy I had become friends with a year or so after the game shut down, and the dude was pretty chill... so I invited him, and he knew about it. Well, come to find out he had multiple accounts banned from the original game and was a pretty toxic person. He got declined, and I had to tell him. I had to tell him up front, "Your behavior was unacceptable, and if I would have known some of the things you did on your other accounts I'd have never invited you to begin with. Good luck finding a different server."

He demanded links. I declined. Then it got scary. Not just him, but DOZENS of people published my information online. This guy had a small cult of followers that were just as fethed up as he was, and they came at me and it is quite honestly one of the most harrowing experiences of my life other than actual combat in Afghanistan. Let that sink in.

Workplace, names of my family members, where I lived, my phone number, emails, pictures of my home and vehicles, who I was dating- I had to have a 3-year online blackout and move. It was scary enough that I had a gun with me everywhere I went. I had to jump through hoops and delete a lot of my online work and spend quite a bit of money to clean my tracks. And even through that, I'm sure that the only reason that it stopped was because the dude got caught taking pictures of his stepkids in very disturbing activities (related to the online activities I'd been told he'd done).

This was over a dead MMORPG. And not only that- one that had multiple bootleg private servers out there he could have found.

You just never know who's psycho and how many supporters they have.

Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.

Karol wrote:
Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.

Because in the USA we have a reasonable expectation of privacy. To get that information from the government, you do have to go through red tape- and you can't get it just because you want it.

Also, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between salespersons and a bunch of angry weird pedos trying to find out where your nieces and nephews live. (I'm not being hyperbolic, that's exactly what kind of people we're talking about- "It's not a real girl, it's a video game avatar, it's not like REAL pedophilia!")

Karol wrote:
Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.

The problem was pretty well explained already and demonstrated by Adeptus Doritos's experience.

Also, if your country flag is correct and you are from Poland the selling of personal data should now be illegal under EU law after the introduction of GDPR. Additionally, EU law provides a right to privacy, which is one of the reasons GDPR was introduced. The idea that someone will get you, regardless of the privacy of your data, is debateable. Making data easier to access increases the pool of people able to go full on psycho if they choose.

Annoying players are those who are too eager to win, completely forgetting that the dice has a will of their own - and that we are basically playing with toys.

-players who are not “open”: these guys doesnt want you to know about their army, so that you dont have the information you need to take good decisions.

-players who thinks the best games are the ones where they crush their enemy completely: they have no sense for actual drama, they dont want close calls. The best games are close, because these games are enjoyable for both sides, but these guys are unempathetic and self-centered, and thus cannot see that. Basically, they are [insert name of tyrant, Hitler etc].

-players who cheat. Nothing to add here.

-players who are not loyal. These players will switch army all the time, because they have no love for their faction - they just want the most powerful stuff out there. This also ensures that the opponent will not be used to playing against whatever army he is fielding, so opponents will not learn any of his armies. These players actually exist, and they finance their shifting armies through ebay. If they field the same faction, they change it completely - because we cant have an opponent making informative decisions.

It all boils that to players with premature minds and an unrealistic take on what they are doing: playing a game with toys in which random chance is a big factor. These players have their pathological behaviour enhanced by a disproportionate amount of any geeky community being submissive, and if they encounter a guy who is not... well, get the popcorn ready, because you rarely see dramaqueens like these!