Toofast wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Toofast wrote:
They're too busy pumping out specialist games. Necromunda, Blood Bowl, Kill Team, Rogue Trader expansion for kill team, commander expansion for kill team, adeptus titanicus... Why make stuff for 40k when you can pump out stuff for a new specialist game system and only support it for a year?

Necromunda has been pretty well supported, Titanicus is seeing support, and Kill Team is definitely well supported.

And didn't Blood Bowl just get another team added in?

Those games were all well supported the last time around. So was epic, BFG, etc... I will believe in 2-3 years when they're still updating the rulesets for all these specialist games. However, given their previous history, I'm not holding my breath. Luckily my SO plays with me and we have a nice table setup at home so if GW abandons them and my FLGS stops holding events, I'll still get to use my models and rules for these specialist games. Many weren't so lucky when they shitcanned all their specialist games in the past.

 Xenomancers wrote:
That thing is ugly. People who buy crazy expensive resin are special in their own way anyways. More than likely they bought it for it's rules and because it has different options compared to the other predators.

I can say objectively that thing looks like garbage compared to the new pred variant.

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
That thing is ugly. People who buy crazy expensive resin are special in their own way anyways. More than likely they bought it for it's rules and because it has different options compared to the other predators.

I can say objectively that thing looks like garbage compared to the new pred variant.

Look. You just have really good taste. You like boring antique stuff, instead of cool modern gear. That's okay, some people are like that.

Fixed that for you.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
That thing is ugly. People who buy crazy expensive resin are special in their own way anyways. More than likely they bought it for it's rules and because it has different options compared to the other predators.

I can say objectively that thing looks like garbage compared to the new pred variant.

Look. You just have really good taste. You like boring antique stuff, instead of cool modern gear. That's okay, some people are like that.

Fixed that for you.

I have to disagree with your fix. Maybe it's because I play 40k as a way to step away from reality and take a break from real life paired with spending around 8 years in the Army (7 years, 9 months, 15 days but who is counting, right?) but I don't want modern military stuff mixed into 40k. A lot of scifi already treads that ground anyways and I rather like the way 40k is both moving forward with tech (laser weapons, anti-grav, FTL, ect) but is also moving backwards (melee fighting, ground engagements, tanks that look like they were nicked from a WWI museum). It's a beautiful blend that makes 40k feel different from other settings and I really like it that way.

 ServiceGames wrote:
Seems to me (could be wrong) that GW is focusing on AoS right now. Wonderful new models coming out on that side, new Battletomes, new/resurrected factions, Warhammer Underworlds just got a new core set with Nighthaunt vs. Stormcast to go along with Soul Wars which didn't launch too long ago. It makes it even better that all the models that are part of Underworlds can be used in AoS as well.

I've seen this happen quite a lot overy my 3+ years in Warhammer... the pendulum swings back and forth between 40K and AoS. It'll swing back to 40K before long with the new Ork releases, remaining codices, and probably even more Kill Team content.

SG

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's a lot closer to the truth than exaggeration. Man you guys are out of touch with the world.

Says the guy who wants 40k to look more like generic sci-fi setting by basing it off of modern military equipment....

You know who isn't excited about the RT stuff? People who play don't play KT and mainly play competetive 40k. Everyone else has some level of interest in the army, though most of us wish it all went a bit deeper than it does.

I'm actually considering getting a box and mixing GSC parts in to imply my GSC has ties to a RT that is helping them spread.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
It's a lot closer to the truth than exaggeration. Man you guys are out of touch with the world.

Says the guy who wants 40k to look more like generic sci-fi setting by basing it off of modern military equipment....

You know who isn't excited about the RT stuff? People who play don't play KT and mainly play competetive 40k. Everyone else has some level of interest in the army, though most of us wish it all went a bit deeper than it does.

I'm actually considering getting a box and mixing GSC parts in to imply my GSC has ties to a RT that is helping them spread.

I said I want IG tanks to look more like modern tanks because it will look better. I don't want to change the setting. Plus it's mainly a load of gak anyways - your basic infantry have laser rifles. They fly around in hover jets that have laser cannons. They get around in 5 mile long ships that are capable of inter-dimensional travel. The only thing out of place really is russes looking like the first tank ever built. It might have something to do with the fact the mold was made for the kit in 1994. OVER 20 YEARS AGO.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
That thing is ugly. People who buy crazy expensive resin are special in their own way anyways. More than likely they bought it for it's rules and because it has different options compared to the other predators.

I can say objectively that thing looks like garbage compared to the new pred variant.

I don't think you know what the word "objectively" means...

 Xenomancers wrote:

I said I want IG tanks to look more like modern tanks because it will look better and might get me into the army.

I don't want to change the setting. Plus it's mainly a load of gak anyways - your basic infantry have laser rifles. They fly around in hover jets that have laser cannons. They get around in 5 mile long ships that are capable of inter-dimensional travel. The only thing out of place really is russes looking like the first tank ever built. It might have something to do with the fact the mold was made for the kit in 1994. OVER 20 YEARS AGO.

 Xenomancers wrote:

It's a lot closer to the truth than exaggeration. Man you guys are out of touch with the world.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
If IG went to a new more modern looking battle tank look for their armor I'd instantly be hooked.

Oh, I missed this bit. Hell no! The Cadians already look too modern. The Guard needs to be more of a weirdly steampunkish anachronism mess, not less. Vostroyans were the right direction.

IDK man. If you look at tank history - it only took about 30 years to go from WW1 tanks to modern looking battle tanks. I see no reason why IG tanks should still look like WW1 tanks.

Chimera has a modern look - It looks like a Warrior IFV to me. Valkeries look super futuristic. Russ just seem so behind the times. I hate the way they look.

White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.

Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."

 rayphoton wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

It's a lot closer to the truth than exaggeration. Man you guys are out of touch with the world.

Ahhhh, My bad...this is a Troll post. I didn't realize.

By all means carry on

 Grimtuff wrote:

From GW themselves:

White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.

Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."

 Galef wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

From GW themselves:

White Dwarf 366, June 2010 wrote:"What is interesting about the tanks of the 41st millennium," Dave (Andrews) says, leaning back in his chair and pointing to a nearby Leman Russ, "is that they're sci-fi vehicles, but unlike any you'll see elsewhere, take the Imperial Guard tanks. In truth they share more in common with a tank from the interwar period of the 20th century than they do a modern battle tank or anything 'futuristic'. They have curiously misshapen hulls, riveted armour plates and absolutely no aesthetic concession to the technological advances we have nowadays. Imperial Guard tanks don't even have proper, sloped armour and that is quite deliberate.

Their design spawns from the thought process of what a fundamentally 'backwards' tank would look like 38,000 years in the future in a place where technological understanding has collapsed and innovation is outlawed. The Imperium is archaic and backwards, clinging to the remnants of incredible technologies such as Plasma Cannons and Las weapons. The image is so exciting and unusual because these misunderstood innovations are embedded in fighting vehicles that make a modern tank look like a technical marvel."

And this makes sense too from the STC standpoint. Not all world would have ease manufacturing an advanced Battle tank, but old industrial-style tanks can be more easily mass produced.

That said, I do agree with Xenos that the old Pred is just ugly. I far prefer the updated Rhino-Chasis rectangular Pred

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 Bobthehero wrote:
Funny, that's not what I heard about the Abrams. However, the Abrams would be twice as fast and about three to four times as armored as a Land Raider.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Funny, that's not what I heard about the Abrams. However, the Abrams would be twice as fast and about three to four times as armored as a Land Raider.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

 Stux wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Funny, that's not what I heard about the Abrams. However, the Abrams would be twice as fast and about three to four times as armored as a Land Raider.

Also while we have some stats on relative thickness of armour, bare in mind we have no real idea of how strong or impact resistant 40k materials are in real terms.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

meleti wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

There’s a lot of good American stouts. American craft beer isn’t just IPAs, and if anything it’s drifted away from more and hoppier IPAs in the past few years.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

There are some absolutely glorious US stouts and porters, thick as bread.

That said, they're usually buried under a billion liters of pale ales at the store or are on the rotating tap at bars, but they're out there. Deschutes, Rogue, Stone, Kona, Widmer, etc all do great porters and stouts.

I feel ya on the pale ale glut though, never saw the appeal or why every store needs 90% of their stock to be IPAs

Hatachi wrote:
I am REALLY surprised people are stating they thinking releases are too slow. Just 4-5 years ago things were SO much slower. Remember armies going years without even a nod? Remember Dark Eldar waiting something like 4 freaking editions to get a new codex? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

meleti wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Tastes vary and bashing taste is weaker than most American beers.

Have you tried the limited run of the Budweiser Jim Beam? It's pretty tasty and 6%. But yes, bud light is the Space Marine of beers.

Problem is I like a good heavy stout, not this pale ale junk we have. I want a beer so heavy that if I run out of bread I can use it to make sandwiches. American beer usually doesn't quite measure up to that.

There’s a lot of good American stouts. American craft beer isn’t just IPAs, and if anything it’s drifted away from more and hoppier IPAs in the past few years.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Hatachi wrote:
I am REALLY surprised people are stating they thinking releases are too slow. Just 4-5 years ago things were SO much slower. Remember armies going years without even a nod? Remember Dark Eldar waiting something like 4 freaking editions to get a new codex? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Pepperidge Farm also doesn't exaggerate.

The revisionist history of some people.... Yes, DE went 12 years without a new codex (unless you count the revised edition), but it was hardly "4 editions". They got their codex at the beginning of 3rd, got an update halfway through. Had nothing until their update in 2010 in 5th.