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 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
40k used to have a size statistic. There is a reason 40k no longer has one.

Yeah? I was gone for several editions so I guess I missed it (unless it was in 2nd and I simply don't remember!).

Are you sure it's an inherently bad idea, and not just one that was poorly implement in that instance?

It doesn't matter. Either it's an inherently bad idea, or GW are too incompetent to implement it correctly.

GW isn't a single entity. There are lots of competent people that work there, even if the result is often flawed. I prefer to be optimistic! It's certainly possible.

 Stux wrote:
GW isn't a single entity. There are lots of competent people that work there, even if the result is often flawed. I prefer to be optimistic! It's certainly possible.

GW is at the point where they have to issue errata to books BEFORE they are even sold. I can say with certainty the only competent person working there is the janitor.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:
GW isn't a single entity. There are lots of competent people that work there, even if the result is often flawed. I prefer to be optimistic! It's certainly possible.

GW is at the point where they have to issue errata to books BEFORE they are even sold. I can say with certainty the only competent person working there is the janitor.

I shouldn't really respond to this kind of hyperbole, but as we've been over countless times before: pretty much every book ever printed has had errors in it. Maybe excluding children's books with like 4 words on each page.

 Crimson wrote:
This thread needs picture. I got my box and instantly modelled my Suppressors for advantage. It took quite a bit cutting, but I think they turned well. An old-school Infiltrator for height comparison.

Spoiler:

I'm sorry if you've answered this already, but do you intend to bring these to a competition? I'd be interested to know what the organisers determine, because it seems like this is going to be a pretty popular conversion, and although a lot of commenters are suggesting it'll be disallowed, I wasn't able to find any solid examples of this actually happening before in a well known competition.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I can say with certainty the only competent person working there is the janitor.

Can you really be certain of that? Who's to say that the latrines over at Nottingham HQ aren't overflowing with "Nurgle's gift?"

 Stux wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Stux wrote:
GW isn't a single entity. There are lots of competent people that work there, even if the result is often flawed. I prefer to be optimistic! It's certainly possible.

GW is at the point where they have to issue errata to books BEFORE they are even sold. I can say with certainty the only competent person working there is the janitor.

I shouldn't really respond to this kind of hyperbole, but as we've been over countless times before: pretty much every book ever printed has had errors in it. Maybe excluding children's books with like 4 words on each page.

Ah wish there was children books without errors.

Even finnish donald duck has errors and that's famed for it's quality translations...(indeed there's decades old error that still keeps on that was born because english uncle isn't related to are you related by mother or father. In finnish there is separate word are you somebody's fathers brother or mothers brother....).

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
This thread needs picture. I got my box and instantly modelled my Suppressors for advantage. It took quite a bit cutting, but I think they turned well. An old-school Infiltrator for height comparison.

Spoiler:

I'm sorry if you've answered this already, but do you intend to bring these to a competition? I'd be interested to know what the organisers determine, because it seems like this is going to be a pretty popular conversion, and although a lot of commenters are suggesting it'll be disallowed, I wasn't able to find any solid examples of this actually happening before in a well known competition.

I strongly doubt that conversion would be disallowed as the below are fine at every major UK tourneament:

 Ginjitzu wrote:

I'm sorry if you've answered this already, but do you intend to bring these to a competition? I'd be interested to know what the organisers determine, because it seems like this is going to be a pretty popular conversion, and although a lot of commenters are suggesting it'll be disallowed, I wasn't able to find any solid examples of this actually happening before in a well known competition.

The only competitive events I ever participate in are our tiny local leagues, and I don't see any problems with those. But they're pretty casual affairs and not super serious.




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Oh, and I measured the height difference. Compared to the shortest of the supplied flight stands (there are three different heights) my conversions are 1 -1,5 cm shorter depending on the exact height of the rubble pile on each model. I am sure that on some larger models slightly different posing results a difference as big as that. Or omitting the flight stands on Tau suits, or a difference between a kneeling and standing model, or some differences between newer and older models...

Drager wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Spoiler:

I strongly doubt that conversion would be disallowed as the below are fine at every major UK tourneament:

Spoiler:

That's much as I suspected, but I wonder if anyone can comment about US tournaments. Perhaps there is a tendency to be more stringent there as a result of their generally more competitive nature?

 Ginjitzu wrote:
That's much as I suspected, but I wonder if anyone can comment about US tournaments. Perhaps there is a tendency to be more stringent there as a result of their generally more competitive nature?

It's varied. Most TO's would want you to make it clear to the your opponent that they're modeled differently, and they'd probably want you to model them at the correct height- provided the terrain there made a difference. A lot of times the terrain is tall enough that it'd still give them cover, or block line of sight, or make them visible no matter what they were on.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Ginjitzu wrote:
That's much as I suspected, but I wonder if anyone can comment about US tournaments. Perhaps there is a tendency to be more stringent there as a result of their generally more competitive nature?

It's varied. Most TO's would want you to make it clear to the your opponent that they're modeled differently, and they'd probably want you to model them at the correct height- provided the terrain there made a difference. A lot of times the terrain is tall enough that it'd still give them cover, or block line of sight, or make them visible no matter what they were on.

Any specific examples, such as what Drager gave?

Its completely up to the TO, every place does it differently. Some will not allow any that has been changed in height some allow anything that just looks cool.

As far as tournaments go, Nova have stated they will require flight stands (or a base of equivalent height).

The height requirement is a wise one. Cuts down on arguments and you can still model them without the derp flying boots.

 Stux wrote:
As far as tournaments go, Nova have stated they will require flight stands (or a base of equivalent height).

It's probably fair to assume that most major tournaments would share similar sentiments, with only Games-Workshop being a possible exemption, as they tend to be a bit more laissez faire about such things.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
40k used to have a size statistic. There is a reason 40k no longer has one.

Yes, because the playerbase confused the corresponding terrain rules with area terrain all the time so GW scrapped it. Sorry bro, that ones on players being unable to read some quite clear rules, not GW.

Then 5th came along and players we’re all like “tHeRe’S tLoS nOw! Me No LiKe!” Ignoring that TLOS had been in the game since at least 2nd ed.

 Stux wrote:
As far as tournaments go, Nova have stated they will require flight stands (or a base of equivalent height).

Crickets from the people saying this would most likely be allowed


Guess it seems the rest of us weren't being pedantic, and that it actually IS good advice to tell someone who was asking, that this kinda gak holds a good possibility of getting you denied from a tournament

I always use green stuff for models like inceptors and suppressors and create a "mound" for them as if they are touching down or taking off and I really like it personally. There is no advantage to having them on the floor as they can only shoot what they see and vice versa.

Rogerio134134 wrote:
I always use green stuff for models like inceptors and suppressors and create a "mound" for them as if they are touching down or taking off and I really like it personally. There is no advantage to having them on the floor as they can only shoot what they see and vice versa.

It's already been explained how this isn't the case so I guess you were wrong on that one chief

 Ginjitzu wrote:

 Stux wrote:
As far as tournaments go, Nova have stated they will require flight stands (or a base of equivalent height).

It's probably fair to assume that most major tournaments would share similar sentiments, with only Games-Workshop being a possible exemption, as they tend to be a bit more laissez faire about such things.

It is probably true but really it is only because the box art looks that way.

The box art for Crisis Suits shows them standing so you are free to ignore the flight stands if you like.

Of course there is literally no rule anywhere which states that you have to build models according to the box art but this stuff gets its own weird momentum in the community and TOs start giving rulings accordingly. Meanwhile GW are like "there is no such rule, never was any such rule, play with your models and have fun people".

I guess you choose which tournaments run the way you like and go to those tournaments. Pretty much all the tournaments I see are selling out so all the approaches and formats are succeeding in the only way that really matters.