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 Frazzled wrote:

EDIT: This is why humanities are in crisis. Students have moved away from pursuing them for gainful employment.


Not necessarily. I'm going for a masters and eventual doctorate in Soviet and Modern Russian history. In turn I hope to start a career with that.
   
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I find the issue with the humanities isn't so much that they don't lead to gainful employment, but employment with them often requires some roundabout thinking on part of the graduate.

I eventually got a job as a researcher for a defense contractor who has nothing but engineers and was actively looking for other perspectives, so they hired me (historian), a lit major, and a linguist just to bring alternate approaches to information onto their research team. It's not history work really, so much as applying the historical approach to research to present problems which isn't remotely the thing I went to school expecting to wind up doing.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
I find the issue with the humanities isn't so much that they don't lead to gainful employment, but employment with them often requires some roundabout thinking on part of the graduate.

I eventually got a job as a researcher for a defense contractor who has nothing but engineers and was actively looking for other perspectives, so they hired me (historian), a lit major, and a linguist just to bring alternate approaches to information onto their research team. It's not history work really, so much as applying the historical approach to research to present problems which isn't remotely the thing I went to school expecting to wind up doing.
That is a very intelligent move on the part of the contractor. I find getting a different perspective is shockingly undervalued in the professional sphere. Unfortunately for many college graduates.

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 Vulcan wrote:
As far as the rest of your post goes, I agree with a large amount of it. However, one must bear in mind that budgeting is a skill like any other. Again, if one is never taught that skill...


If you can't figure out how to budget- as in, "Not spend all your money on things you don't need and prioritize what you do need" then you could tie his bootstraps to a rocket ship and launch it to Saturn and he'd still end up at the bottom tier, because there's absolutely nothing you can teach a person to improve their life if they're that dumb.

Let's not sit here and pretend that these simple life skills that every one of us are something that required a professional to show us, and that being poor growing up will mean you're actually slowed- because I grew up poor, with a lot of poor people- and let me tell you, those are the ones that can budget better than most.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
As far as the rest of your post goes, I agree with a large amount of it. However, one must bear in mind that budgeting is a skill like any other. Again, if one is never taught that skill...


If you can't figure out how to budget- as in, "Not spend all your money on things you don't need and prioritize what you do need" then you could tie his bootstraps to a rocket ship and launch it to Saturn and he'd still end up at the bottom tier, because there's absolutely nothing you can teach a person to improve their life if they're that dumb.

Let's not sit here and pretend that these simple life skills that every one of us are something that required a professional to show us, and that being poor growing up will mean you're actually slowed- because I grew up poor, with a lot of poor people- and let me tell you, those are the ones that can budget better than most.


Actually they are shown to be the ones who budget the worst. They see money as a fleeting thing and generally try to spend it as quickly as they can instead of saving for rainy days.

Also, budgeting is a skill that is taught because it takes an understanding of math and problem solving. You were taught how to budget by your parents because of how they are with their money. Some people do not have parents. I do not have a father and my mother was never at home. I was never taught money skills or how to budget. I had to learn the hard way on my own and I have made a lot of mistakes along the way.

Saying somebody should be able to learn how to do it on their own while saying you were taught how to budget growing up is the strangest way I have ever seen a person phrase an argument. Bravo.
   
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I feel like budgeting is one of those things that seems simple but in reality has lots of pit falls. It's easy to say "well everyone should know not to spend all your money on things you don't need and prioritize" but most people don't have the money to budget for their battery dying three months from now, let alone the money to budget even if they considered the possibility. Sometimes you just get screwed. Someone I know bought used tires for $100 last month. They're already worthless despite being in fairly good condition when she bought them. Now she needs new tires all over again.

One or two unexpected expenses are enough to utterly wreck a budget, at which point the budget isn't the issue as much as not having money to budget to begin with.

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
As far as the rest of your post goes, I agree with a large amount of it. However, one must bear in mind that budgeting is a skill like any other. Again, if one is never taught that skill...


If you can't figure out how to budget- as in, "Not spend all your money on things you don't need and prioritize what you do need" then you could tie his bootstraps to a rocket ship and launch it to Saturn and he'd still end up at the bottom tier, because there's absolutely nothing you can teach a person to improve their life if they're that dumb.
Except there are plenty of examples of people who are born wealthy, have no understanding of how to spend wisely, yet are still wealthy at the end of the day. Right off the bat that says there is more to budgeting than spending & prioritization; that does not address income, how much effort is needed to earn that income, how much money is needed to earn that income, how much to save, what form to actually save in, and so on...

'Not spending your money on things you don't need, and prioritize what you do' is more of a one-sentence summary of a larger concept. Like if I described cooking as "mixing the proper ingredients and heating until it's done."

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 Ouze wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
Where is the money going then? THAT is the immediate problem, I think...


Mostly overpaid upper admins who have "ideas" on how to fix education that never work who get fired when their ideas backfire and replaced with someone else who has new "ideas."

And sports programs, which in all honesty, should be completely disconnected from the education system imo.


Highly likely, I imagine. It's something that needs looking into, that's for certain.

As far as the sports programs go... that would be my ideal position too. But I've seen some sources recently that show the sports programs, as expensive as they are, actually generate net income for the school. If the sports program does actually generate a revenue stream that is used for something beyond the sports and phys-ed program... is that not a good thing?


Is it? Is a system where the coach is the highest paid employee in the college and the young men and women going to school ostensibly for an education are actually part of a second-rate, exploitative NBA\NFL\what have you?

I'm with LordofHats on this one.


True, but if you remove the revenue stream the sports program generates now tuition has to be even higher to maintain the same non-sports programs.

Believe me, I WANT it to be as simple as you say it is. I DON'T want sports coaches to be the best-paid state employees... by huge margins. I DON'T want college sports to be recruiting grounds for professional sports with all the corruption THAT brings. But... it's not that simple.

Things rarely are that simple, once you take an objective look at them.

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If the team was just a team, you'd probably be right.

But a team isn't just a team.

Sports franchises are massive financial traps. Just ask any city that footed the bill for the local team's massive multi-hundred million dollar stadium and see if the city has actually repaid tax payers yet for the cost (nevermind the underlying issue of why multi-billion dollar industries like professional sports can't foot the bill for their own stadiums). The same is true of universities. UVA down the road has a basketball stadium that coast a couple hundred million.

You'll never convince me that money couldn't have been better spent on something else, especially when most of the profit from it doesn't go back to UVA. And that's without going into the wonky way sports mess with academics. The Slippery Rock campus of PASSHE only exists because the school hosts a division II basketball team. That's literally the only reason the doors weren't boarded up years ago.

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 Vulcan wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
 Vulcan wrote:
Where is the money going then? THAT is the immediate problem, I think...


Mostly overpaid upper admins who have "ideas" on how to fix education that never work who get fired when their ideas backfire and replaced with someone else who has new "ideas."

And sports programs, which in all honesty, should be completely disconnected from the education system imo.


Highly likely, I imagine. It's something that needs looking into, that's for certain.

As far as the sports programs go... that would be my ideal position too. But I've seen some sources recently that show the sports programs, as expensive as they are, actually generate net income for the school. If the sports program does actually generate a revenue stream that is used for something beyond the sports and phys-ed program... is that not a good thing?


Is it? Is a system where the coach is the highest paid employee in the college and the young men and women going to school ostensibly for an education are actually part of a second-rate, exploitative NBA\NFL\what have you?

I'm with LordofHats on this one.


True, but if you remove the revenue stream the sports program generates now tuition has to be even higher to maintain the same non-sports programs.



This is untrue. Tuition is intentionally bloated in order to get the most money they can out of a person. Those tuitions could be dropped A LOT and there would be no need for the sports team revenue. Either way, if a team is making money off the players, the players deserve a cut.
   
 
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