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Is there something I am missing? Some of them do not have a cultural attachment. Like the Batallion GSC in 2 place has one small unit with Four-Armed Emperor. And 1101 points in a Battalion without a creed. Why is that?

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 Ordana wrote:
 Smirrors wrote:
This wont shut the naysayers that are claiming lack of diversity. Seems pretty good to me. Weren't Orks supposed to be really bad too? I see plenty in the top 25.

Imperium is probably lacking representation based on what I've read on dakka in the last 2 months.
Diversity in the ITC is terrible.
Diversity outside of the ITC has been healthy for a while.

Maybe someday they will see the connection, but I wouldn't bet on it.


Having played in a number of ITC events, I can say that I won't be any longer. ITC events are terrible, their mission packets are confusing and outright favor specific builds and lists. Why their stuff is the most popular, I'll never fully understand. But, as it stands I'm skipping LVO for Adepticon next year. I'm getting tired of Las Vegas anyways, that town is such a cesspit (well, the strip anyway).
   
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He is a great model.

Jain Zar, Fuegen, and the official Baharoth model all need replacements (or kitabashes). But Asurmen, Karrandas, and Maugen Ra have great models.

They're all timeless in their own way. Like Abigail though, they could for sure use a refresh.

Ya know, as long as the poses are kept the same.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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 Togusa wrote:
 Ordana wrote:
 Smirrors wrote:
This wont shut the naysayers that are claiming lack of diversity. Seems pretty good to me. Weren't Orks supposed to be really bad too? I see plenty in the top 25.

Imperium is probably lacking representation based on what I've read on dakka in the last 2 months.
Diversity in the ITC is terrible.
Diversity outside of the ITC has been healthy for a while.

Maybe someday they will see the connection, but I wouldn't bet on it.


Having played in a number of ITC events, I can say that I won't be any longer. ITC events are terrible, their mission packets are confusing and outright favor specific builds and lists. Why their stuff is the most popular, I'll never fully understand. But, as it stands I'm skipping LVO for Adepticon next year. I'm getting tired of Las Vegas anyways, that town is such a cesspit (well, the strip anyway).


It's funny. I've been to 2 ITC events so far, and have found the mission packets to be quite clear, and there have been some fairly odd armies making it to the top tables. Top 3 at my first ITC event were Dark Eldar, AdMech, Knights. Top 3 at my second ITC event were Space Wolves, Guard, and Orks. Yes, the imperial armies were all soup-y (as was the dark eldar), but still that's some diversity being shown there IMO. I look forward to more of these events.
   
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 Niiai wrote:
https://www.battle-report.com/2019/03/30/2019-adepticon-warhammer-40000-grand-tournament/


Is there something I am missing? Some of them do not have a cultural attachment. Like the Batallion GSC in 2 place has one small unit with Four-Armed Emperor. And 1101 points in a Battalion without a creed. Why is that?

Many GSC units don't actually get all that much benefit from a cult creed. However they may want to take advantage of a particular cult specific stratagem, relic, or warlord trait. So it's quite common for genestealer cults to take a mixed detachment.
What that list is missing, is the cults he has assigned to his individual units.
   
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The adepticon top 24 lists does seem more varied than most of the ITC top lists I have seen recently.

Despite that, I would hesitate calling adepticon top lists as "healthy".
The reason for that is the severe lack of adeptus astartes factions(i.e. Space Marines, Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Grey Knights) in the top rankings.
Considering that these factions amounts to about a quarter of the entire 40K factions with codex, I believe it is a bit early to judge adepticon top results as showing "healthy" state of balance.
The only exception is an Ultramarines list with Guilliman, but as far as I know it is most of the time the only viable choice for adeptus astartes factions in competitive tournaments.

But perhaps the picture might be different when observed in wider perspective.
Other adeptus astartes factions might have shown impressive standings outside the top 24 lists.
I would be glad to be proven wrong.

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Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
The adepticon top 24 lists does seem more varied than most of the ITC top lists I have seen recently.

Despite that, I would hesitate calling adepticon top lists as "healthy".
The reason for that is the severe lack of adeptus astartes factions(i.e. Space Marines, Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Grey Knights) in the top rankings.
Considering that these factions amounts to about a quarter of the entire 40K factions with codex, I believe it is a bit early to judge adepticon top results as showing "healthy" state of balance.
The only exception is an Ultramarines list with Guilliman, but as far as I know it is most of the time the only viable choice for adeptus astartes factions in competitive tournaments.

But perhaps the picture might be different when observed in wider perspective.
Other adeptus astartes factions might have shown impressive standings outside the top 24 lists.
I would be glad to be proven wrong.


Including mirror matches Ultramarines have 68% WR from 6 players. There are couple of players that have SM detachments that are not their primary that are in top 50. I can`t say SM are doing amassing, but its not so bad as people trying to suggest it. Of course some factions will do better than the others.
It`s like saying that since Harlequins are with 35% WR (2 players btw) that aeldar are unplayable. In the Emporium super faction there are better things, so less players will pick them as main faction. Yet you have ultramarines doing super good, i mean 68% WR with 6 players is pretty impressive.

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Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
The adepticon top 24 lists does seem more varied than most of the ITC top lists I have seen recently.

Despite that, I would hesitate calling adepticon top lists as "healthy".
The reason for that is the severe lack of adeptus astartes factions(i.e. Space Marines, Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Grey Knights) in the top rankings.
Considering that these factions amounts to about a quarter of the entire 40K factions with codex, I believe it is a bit early to judge adepticon top results as showing "healthy" state of balance.
The only exception is an Ultramarines list with Guilliman, but as far as I know it is most of the time the only viable choice for adeptus astartes factions in competitive tournaments.

But perhaps the picture might be different when observed in wider perspective.
Other adeptus astartes factions might have shown impressive standings outside the top 24 lists.
I would be glad to be proven wrong.


Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Thats like asking a Middleweight Kickboxer that did well in a Heavyweight fight to now go to UFC.

SM are still not doing well in ITC, well enough to call them healthy

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 Niiai wrote:
https://www.battle-report.com/2019/03/30/2019-adepticon-warhammer-40000-grand-tournament/


Is there something I am missing? Some of them do not have a cultural attachment. Like the Batallion GSC in 2 place has one small unit with Four-Armed Emperor. And 1101 points in a Battalion without a creed. Why is that?
GSC assault units 'need' 4AE for the +1 to charge. Together with the Broodsurge detachment warlord trait and a Clamavus that means you only need a 7, re-rolling to get a charge off from out of deepstrike, which is pretty reliable.

So you cram all your assault elements into a 4AE batallion.

You then have support pieces that need the 4AE keyword for their aura's to work, but gain no real benefit from the Creed itself. (Patriarch, Clamavus, Nexos, Kellermorph)
Plus things like the Demo bikes need Rusted Claw for their stratagem + their support piece (the Jackal Alpha)
And Brood Brothers strait up don't get it anyway.

All that gets put into a Battalion.
   
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 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.

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There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?




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 Ordana wrote:
There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?


That was my point, very few SM are in ITC, and only a few players has gotten them into the top 16, 1 in the top 8.

My point is that SM are in such a bad spot that you wont see them (outside of a couple players here and there, which will and can happen do to RNG of tournaments and skill ofc skill) even in other tournaments formats.

Unless maybe in Highlander style, something that is crazy off the wall house rules.

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 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?




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 Ordana wrote:
There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?


That was my point, very few SM are in ITC, and only a few players has gotten them into the top 16, 1 in the top 8.

My point is that SM are in such a bad spot that you wont see them (outside of a couple players here and there, which will and can happen do to RNG of tournaments and skill ofc skill) even in other tournaments formats.

Unless maybe in Highlander style, something that is crazy off the wall house rules.


I hate to be a pedant here, but with 22 codex-sized factions in the game (my number might be a tiny bit off, but i'ts over 20) isn't having 1 player in the top 16 mean that a faction is performing slightly above the expected average? In a perfectly balanced top 16, 6/22 factions would not appear as a primary faction.

   
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 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?

You stated that top players aren't playing non-ITC scenarios - this is demonstrably false, assuming this Nick character qualifies.

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the_scotsman wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?




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 Ordana wrote:
There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?


That was my point, very few SM are in ITC, and only a few players has gotten them into the top 16, 1 in the top 8.

My point is that SM are in such a bad spot that you wont see them (outside of a couple players here and there, which will and can happen do to RNG of tournaments and skill ofc skill) even in other tournaments formats.

Unless maybe in Highlander style, something that is crazy off the wall house rules.


I hate to be a pedant here, but with 22 codex-sized factions in the game (my number might be a tiny bit off, but i'ts over 20) isn't having 1 player in the top 16 mean that a faction is performing slightly above the expected average? In a perfectly balanced top 16, 6/22 factions would not appear as a primary faction.


The only issue with that statement is the frequency in which that faction is played, But considering many people are now taking SM as supplements to knights or guard I think that having one finish in the top 16 is probably a fairly healthy number
   
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Asmodios wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Ordana wrote:
There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?


That was my point, very few SM are in ITC, and only a few players has gotten them into the top 16, 1 in the top 8.

My point is that SM are in such a bad spot that you wont see them (outside of a couple players here and there, which will and can happen do to RNG of tournaments and skill ofc skill) even in other tournaments formats.

Unless maybe in Highlander style, something that is crazy off the wall house rules.


I hate to be a pedant here, but with 22 codex-sized factions in the game (my number might be a tiny bit off, but i'ts over 20) isn't having 1 player in the top 16 mean that a faction is performing slightly above the expected average? In a perfectly balanced top 16, 6/22 factions would not appear as a primary faction.


The only issue with that statement is the frequency in which that faction is played, But considering many people are now taking SM as supplements to knights or guard I think that having one finish in the top 16 is probably a fairly healthy number


Sure, if you saw one of those instances where space marines were taken as a supplement to knights or guard you could say "see, some percentage of those people are successful."

however, the list in the top 8 appears to be a pure space marine list with no allies at all.

Looking at the top 16 presented from adepticon, it seemed like you had:

-overperforming: Orks, Knights, Guard, Tau, Drukhari, possibly CWE with I think 3 major chunks of lists in the top 16.

-Average performers: Space Marines, Ynnari, Tyranids, Daemons, Thousand Sons, GSC, all with one entry where the majority of the army was made up by them.

-Below average performers: Blood Angels, Harlequins, Admech with one small allied detachment in the top 16.

-Poor performers: everyone else. So Necrons, GK, DA, SW, DW, Custodes, where they had no representation in the top 16 at all.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?

You stated that top players aren't playing non-ITC scenarios - this is demonstrably false, assuming this Nick character qualifies.


I said they are not playing SM in non ITC (referring to Adpeticon, you know what the topic is about), and i was referring to 2 people that normal does fine with SM actually.

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Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
The adepticon top 24 lists does seem more varied than most of the ITC top lists I have seen recently.

Despite that, I would hesitate calling adepticon top lists as "healthy".
The reason for that is the severe lack of adeptus astartes factions(i.e. Space Marines, Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Grey Knights) in the top rankings.
Considering that these factions amounts to about a quarter of the entire 40K factions with codex, I believe it is a bit early to judge adepticon top results as showing "healthy" state of balance.
The only exception is an Ultramarines list with Guilliman, but as far as I know it is most of the time the only viable choice for adeptus astartes factions in competitive tournaments.

But perhaps the picture might be different when observed in wider perspective.
Other adeptus astartes factions might have shown impressive standings outside the top 24 lists.
I would be glad to be proven wrong.


I feel like this is a good thing. I don't want to see more space marines in the top, and SM, BA, DA, and SW are basically all the same. They're not really like half the unique factions, it's like 4 codecies that all describe the same thing.

GK and Deathwatch are different.

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
The adepticon top 24 lists does seem more varied than most of the ITC top lists I have seen recently.

Despite that, I would hesitate calling adepticon top lists as "healthy".
The reason for that is the severe lack of adeptus astartes factions(i.e. Space Marines, Blood Angles, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Deathwatch, Grey Knights) in the top rankings.
Considering that these factions amounts to about a quarter of the entire 40K factions with codex, I believe it is a bit early to judge adepticon top results as showing "healthy" state of balance.
The only exception is an Ultramarines list with Guilliman, but as far as I know it is most of the time the only viable choice for adeptus astartes factions in competitive tournaments.

But perhaps the picture might be different when observed in wider perspective.
Other adeptus astartes factions might have shown impressive standings outside the top 24 lists.
I would be glad to be proven wrong.


I feel like this is a good thing. I don't want to see more space marines in the top, and SM, BA, DA, and SW are basically all the same. They're not really like half the unique factions, it's like 4 codecies that all describe the same thing.

GK and Deathwatch are different.


While I disagree with the sentiment I agree on the point about the lack of variation between marine types usually having there be one "frontrunner" power armored faction.

Typically that's been GK, BA or SW, but in 8th it's been Ultramarines.

Right now, the existence of the strongest factions does seem to bully out astartes in general, but in most competitive metas you do see one astartes faction bullying out the others, since they all do similar things with small variations.
   
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the_scotsman wrote:
Asmodios wrote:
the_scotsman wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Amishprn86 wrote:
Its taken a year for top players to master SM in ITC just to be able to get 1-2 players in top 10. You can not expect that same level of play out of SM in anything out os ITC b.c tops players are not playing non ITC missions.

Strange - isn't that Nick guy with the Orks meant to be a top player? And he was playing at Adepticon, which would counter the assertion that "top players are not playing non ITC missions".

And I think at least one of the other people in the top 10 was meant to be a name, too.


Nick didnt take SM, he was working on Orks (and i might be miss quoting on this) but i thought i read (or watch) him say he thinks ork si one of the best codexs.

But being 1 guy in top with 1 SM army in the top. My point stands. How can you say b.c adpeticon doesnt have SM that its no at as good for variety compare to ITC/LVO?




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 Ordana wrote:
There was a Space Marine in the top 8, what are you guys even talking about?


That was my point, very few SM are in ITC, and only a few players has gotten them into the top 16, 1 in the top 8.

My point is that SM are in such a bad spot that you wont see them (outside of a couple players here and there, which will and can happen do to RNG of tournaments and skill ofc skill) even in other tournaments formats.

Unless maybe in Highlander style, something that is crazy off the wall house rules.


I hate to be a pedant here, but with 22 codex-sized factions in the game (my number might be a tiny bit off, but i'ts over 20) isn't having 1 player in the top 16 mean that a faction is performing slightly above the expected average? In a perfectly balanced top 16, 6/22 factions would not appear as a primary faction.


The only issue with that statement is the frequency in which that faction is played, But considering many people are now taking SM as supplements to knights or guard I think that having one finish in the top 16 is probably a fairly healthy number


Sure, if you saw one of those instances where space marines were taken as a supplement to knights or guard you could say "see, some percentage of those people are successful."

however, the list in the top 8 appears to be a pure space marine list with no allies at all.

Looking at the top 16 presented from adepticon, it seemed like you had:

-overperforming: Orks, Knights, Guard, Tau, Drukhari, possibly CWE with I think 3 major chunks of lists in the top 16.

-Average performers: Space Marines, Ynnari, Tyranids, Daemons, Thousand Sons, GSC, all with one entry where the majority of the army was made up by them.

-Below average performers: Blood Angels, Harlequins, Admech with one small allied detachment in the top 16.

-Poor performers: everyone else. So Necrons, GK, DA, SW, DW, Custodes, where they had no representation in the top 16 at all.

Yeah like you said even in your previous post though that considering how many codexes there are not making it into the top 8 or top 16 doesn't necessarily make the army bad. People get far to focused on the outcome of single events. Take orks, for example, people were saying how they were trash tier after not making top 8 at LVO then just a few weeks later they were all over the top of Adepticon. Looking at total win% of factions is much more useful then trying to gather overall game balance by the top 16 finishes of a single event . So i would once again say that SM finishing with 1 in the top 16 of this event is good and shows that the codex probaly isnt "absolute trash" like the internet likes to throw around
   
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Just some points for those who think that the Adepticon format made people take different lists.

- Jim took a similar list to LVO (he went 4-2), but it looks like he's tweaked it since then to be a little tighter.
- Steve Pampreen took almost the exact list he had at LVO. He went 5-1.
- Chris Blackham dropped the Grotesques from his LVO list and opted for more flyers. He went 5-1 at LVO.
- Sean Nayden took the same list at LVO where he went 6-1.
- Nanavati who went 5-1 at LVO added Stormboyz, but has largely the same list.

One other player in the top 15 took Deathwatch at LVO going 1-2, but changed to Castellan and triple Knigth for Adepticon and did much better.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Just some points for those who think that the Adepticon format made people take different lists.

- Jim took a similar list to LVO (he went 4-2), but it looks like he's tweaked it since then to be a little tighter.
- Steve Pampreen took almost the exact list he had at LVO. He went 5-1.
- Chris Blackham dropped the Grotesques from his LVO list and opted for more flyers. He went 5-1 at LVO.
- Sean Nayden took the same list at LVO where he went 6-1.
- Nanavati who went 5-1 at LVO added Stormboyz, but has largely the same list.

One other player in the top 15 took Deathwatch at LVO going 1-2, but changed to Castellan and triple Knigth for Adepticon and did much better.


Yeah I’m not even sure what the conversation is or what people here want at this point. No matter what you change your pretty much always going to see the same names at the top and likely the same armies.
   
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Not so much a surprise with so many Orks taking the higher spots.
I have been facing those green turkeys for a long time against my friend's army.
With so many factors to decrease the "to hit" rolls in the game, there is something to be said about "always hits on 6's" for the Orks not to care much.
Morale is rarely an issue.
Numbers are cheap and cheerful.
"Da Jump" to drop a 30-man melee butcher group in an opponent's back yard is nothing to sneeze at.

Imperial forces are the "usual" soup because they seem somewhat incomplete on their own compared to other forces.
IG/AM seems to be the more complete army to be the glue to hold all that together.

Imperial Knights tend to be the hard hitter when supported with enough CP's.

Ah well, it is the ever-shifting goal-posts.
Just hope it is your army's time in the spotlite (and you can field it ok) before it moves on.

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Prepostrous. they all ned new sculpts.. Magnum-ra being perhaps the one that seem aight.

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 Argive wrote:
Khalan wrote:
Hi All

Jim Here.

For those comparing itc vs adepticon, I won a really hard ITC GT 3 weeks ago (Dicehammer GT) with a super tough field using the exact same list I won adepticon with. So just thought i'd throw fuel onto the debate.


Heard your army is sweet. Got any nice pics to share?


Jim's army from 2018 Battle for Salvation GT --> https://www.battle-report.com/2018/10/17/scions-of-magnus-by-jim-vesal/

@Khalan outstanding models!

Cheers,

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His Khorne Prince is really cool!

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