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https://www.battle-report.com/2019/03/30/2019-adepticon-warhammer-40000-grand-tournament/
Top 24 lists
   
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Dakka logic: Chaos top...

Chaos broken nerf nerf nerf nerf!!

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So... is this the final final top?

I'll take me seat to wait for the "No Narrative, ITC Only, Final Destination" crown to come and explain why all of this results are garbage and mean nothing.

(And 4 orks in top 10 ... )

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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No Necrons...so everything as usual!
   
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california

I’m very happy to see just plain Aeldari in the top 5! Just a little proof with a good general you don’t need to rely on any soulbursting
   
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I am really taken back by how good the Orks did! Glad to see so much diversity compared to what hyperbole spewers say online about 'whats meta'.

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 vaklor4 wrote:
I am really taken back by how good the Orks did! Glad to see so much diversity compared to what hyperbole spewers say online about 'whats meta'.
ITC vs non-ITC.
Very different Meta's.
   
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On the other hand the bottom tier armies work the same way in be it ITC or not ITC
   
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The Tau lists looked interesting. Very different from what I've normally seen. Looks like triple Riptides is no longer the way to go.

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This wont shut the naysayers that are claiming lack of diversity. Seems pretty good to me. Weren't Orks supposed to be really bad too? I see plenty in the top 25.

Imperium is probably lacking representation based on what I've read on dakka in the last 2 months.
   
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 Galas wrote:
So... is this the final final top?

I'll take me seat to wait for the "No Narrative, ITC Only, Final Destination" crown to come and explain why all of this results are garbage and mean nothing.

(And 4 orks in top 10 ... )



GSC are garbage! Drop the army now!

Orks bad!

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 Galas wrote:
So... is this the final final top?

I'll take me seat to wait for the "No Narrative, ITC Only, Final Destination" crown to come and explain why all of this results are garbage and mean nothing.

(And 4 orks in top 10 ... )

Nice joke lol. However since it wasn’t ITC, we have to take it all with lots of pillars of salt. Orks are ok without the competitive aspects of ITC missions, rules, and objectives thrown into the mix. However, when we look at the aspect of actual competitive players that can utilize armies to their max with those objectives in mind, we see a degree of skill you can’t find in things like adepticon
   
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 Smirrors wrote:
This wont shut the naysayers that are claiming lack of diversity. Seems pretty good to me. Weren't Orks supposed to be really bad too? I see plenty in the top 25.

Imperium is probably lacking representation based on what I've read on dakka in the last 2 months.
Diversity in the ITC is terrible.
Diversity outside of the ITC has been healthy for a while.

Maybe someday they will see the connection, but I wouldn't bet on it.
   
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Glad to see the amount of diversity. What's conspicuously lacking is marine infantry and necrons. I think we can expect to see marine infantry popping up in Chaos lists soon thanks to Red Corsairs and Reaper Chain Cannons, but I don't expect much beyond that use case. But overall Marines are still just bad.

I'm not really up to date on what's going on with Necrons. Can anyone fill me in? Or is this just a coincidence?

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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
 Galas wrote:
So... is this the final final top?

I'll take me seat to wait for the "No Narrative, ITC Only, Final Destination" crown to come and explain why all of this results are garbage and mean nothing.

(And 4 orks in top 10 ... )

Nice joke lol. However since it wasn’t ITC, we have to take it all with lots of pillars of salt. Orks are ok without the competitive aspects of ITC missions, rules, and objectives thrown into the mix. However, when we look at the aspect of actual competitive players that can utilize armies to their max with those objectives in mind, we see a degree of skill you can’t find in things like adepticon


Nick Nanavanti who went 6-0 at LVO is #10 here.

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
 Galas wrote:
So... is this the final final top?

I'll take me seat to wait for the "No Narrative, ITC Only, Final Destination" crown to come and explain why all of this results are garbage and mean nothing.

(And 4 orks in top 10 ... )

Nice joke lol. However since it wasn’t ITC, we have to take it all with lots of pillars of salt. Orks are ok without the competitive aspects of ITC missions, rules, and objectives thrown into the mix. However, when we look at the aspect of actual competitive players that can utilize armies to their max with those objectives in mind, we see a degree of skill you can’t find in things like adepticon


Nick Nanavanti who went 6-0 at LVO is #10 here.

Yes, because the lack of competitive aspects in non itc formats. It’s sad.
   
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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:
Glad to see the amount of diversity. What's conspicuously lacking is marine infantry and necrons. I think we can expect to see marine infantry popping up in Chaos lists soon thanks to Red Corsairs and Reaper Chain Cannons, but I don't expect much beyond that use case. But overall Marines are still just bad.

I'm not really up to date on what's going on with Necrons. Can anyone fill me in? Or is this just a coincidence?


Well yea, there is no conceivable mission type where Necrons or Marines perform well.
   
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Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Yes, because the lack of competitive aspects in non itc formats. It’s sad.


Not sure what you're driving at. I don't know his W/L for Adepticon, but Nick did well at both tournaments with Orks.

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 Ordana wrote:
Diversity in the ITC is terrible.
Diversity outside of the ITC has been healthy for a while.

Maybe someday they will see the connection, but I wouldn't bet on it.


What makes the Castellan so good in ITC but hardly at all in the top 24 at Adepticon (14th and 24th).
   
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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:


I'm not really up to date on what's going on with Necrons. Can anyone fill me in? Or is this just a coincidence?


Allegedly Necrons are too expensive still and have a lack of getting past real decent Inv. Saves.

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 Ordana wrote:
 Smirrors wrote:
This wont shut the naysayers that are claiming lack of diversity. Seems pretty good to me. Weren't Orks supposed to be really bad too? I see plenty in the top 25.

Imperium is probably lacking representation based on what I've read on dakka in the last 2 months.
Diversity in the ITC is terrible.
Diversity outside of the ITC has been healthy for a while.

Maybe someday they will see the connection, but I wouldn't bet on it.


I'm not sure if you are suggesting there's more to WH40k than ICT.
I've been reading a lot of dakka and I'm pretty sure that's heresy around here...

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:

Yes, because the lack of competitive aspects in non itc formats. It’s sad.


Not sure what you're driving at. I don't know his W/L for Adepticon, but Nick did well at both tournaments with Orks.


Good players will do well in most formats of the game.

Nick is not the type to pick an army that he genuinely doesnt think can win it for him. Most tournaments are decided by a close match and I suspect Adepticon for Nick was the same.
   
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The real diversity here shows the problem is the ITC Missions. Every event that doesn't use them has very different army spreads than the ones that do, indicating that they are the main contributing factor.

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For those interested Team England hosted a highly competetive ETC event this weekend. 30 man but self selected für highly competetive players including ETC team players.

Missions

Lists

Josh Roberts took first place.
Markus Hinson Second.
Tom Higginbottom was third.
John Partridge 4th
Mark Cromblehome 5th
Dan Bates 6th
Nathan Roberts 7th
Mark Cawdrey 8th
Bob 9th
Mani Cheema 10th

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Not really. IMO the ITC does a very good job in making sure that competitive aspects are included into their missions so that the more skilled player takes utmost advantage of them. This is why ITC is favored
   
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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Not really. IMO the ITC does a very good job in making sure that competitive aspects are included into their missions so that the more skilled player takes utmost advantage of them. This is why ITC is favored
IMO ITC is a lot less skill testing of in game skill and more dependant on list build and pregame strategy than several other formats. This is why ITC is disfavoured in Europe. This seems to be in part down to low mission variability and secondary selection.
   
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Drager wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Not really. IMO the ITC does a very good job in making sure that competitive aspects are included into their missions so that the more skilled player takes utmost advantage of them. This is why ITC is favored
IMO ITC is a lot less skill testing of in game skill and more dependant on list build and pregame strategy than several other formats. This is why ITC is disfavoured in Europe. This seems to be in part down to low mission variability and secondary selection.

I can see why it might be thought of that way, but let’s take for example a ynnari list. Put a competitive build in the hands of a newer player and you will see the List crumble. The list was built for top performance pre game. The strategies with simple rules knowledge and unit category are somewhat obvious. So why did the list crumple to let’s say, en masse ork boys? Because the player wasn’t skilled. Itc still takes skill to play. Moving around LOS blocking first levels (which is amazing) attempting to score objectives even if your forces are dwindling faster than your opponent. It gives each army a chance. I’m sorry but I have to disagree with your opinion
   
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Looking at the ITC missions vs the Adepticon missions, I really don't see why Knights / Eldar would do worse in ITC than Adepticon. Can someone explain this to me, what exactly makes it worse for them? Otherwise, I think this is kind of a mark in favor of balance of the game, that a tournament has as much chance for Orks / GSC to do well as Knights / Eldar.
   
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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Drager wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Not really. IMO the ITC does a very good job in making sure that competitive aspects are included into their missions so that the more skilled player takes utmost advantage of them. This is why ITC is favored
IMO ITC is a lot less skill testing of in game skill and more dependant on list build and pregame strategy than several other formats. This is why ITC is disfavoured in Europe. This seems to be in part down to low mission variability and secondary selection.

I can see why it might be thought of that way, but let’s take for example a ynnari list. Put a competitive build in the hands of a newer player and you will see the List crumble. The list was built for top performance pre game. The strategies with simple rules knowledge and unit category are somewhat obvious. So why did the list crumple to let’s say, en masse ork boys? Because the player wasn’t skilled. Itc still takes skill to play. Moving around LOS blocking first levels (which is amazing) attempting to score objectives even if your forces are dwindling faster than your opponent. It gives each army a chance. I’m sorry but I have to disagree with your opinion
I didn't mean to imply ITC takes no skill, just less. Ynarri is also a naturally skill testing army as its tricky to make the correct selections. It's easier in ITC than other formats though. A new player with a net list is highly unlikely to beat any competetive player in any format. What I'm interested in is the level of in game skill test between top players. Other formats also give each army a chance. So I don't so much disagree with your comment as your conclusion. And no need to apologise, happy to see dissenting views.

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