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Personally, I'm a fan of the Primaris design. They're true scale Marines and I have no issues with their "lack" of grim dark. They are supposed to be a new hope for the Imperium

But, I personally don't like the Phobos armour. Not only is the name silly, but I don't like the tiny ankles and weird faces. It's a shame that it look like GW wants them to be the future of all Primaris. It would be long before we get Phobos Gravis armour

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Primaris, ok to good looking infantry, vehicles that can die in a dumpster fire.

main problem with the whole range, its CAD and not sculpted, so all the infantry and tanks are just mish mashes of other models with a hell of a lot less thought put into them than a real sculptor would do.... I HATE CAD now because it has ruined HH units and Primaris tanks

   
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Across the Rubicon

I suppose I like the tacticool look given how I painted up my primaris army. However, even when I look at Phobos armor I see a few elements that have aspects D&D/Tolkien-esque sensibilities. Where many see board shorts and crocs, I see fantasy high boots with the cuff rolled over. Check the Exalted Hero of Chaos or Blood Warriors boots to see what I mean. The only difference is instead of them being leather, they are ceramite. Even the all the belts and pouches is basically the sci-fi/modern equivalent to straps and bags that all my D&D rouges and rangers had on them all the way back in the nineties. Phobos armor to me is fantasy ranger armor given the 40k space marine treatment. I don't see it being all that less grimdark or warrior-monk than scout armor. Which makes sense as both phobos units and scouts perform stealth/black ops kind of missions. To be honest, out side the Space Wolves, it always seemed strange to space marines to use their least experienced men to perform some of the most important aspects of conducting war (removing the fog or war).

Certainly Mark X armor has dropped the number of skulls per inch on them. That said, it isn't like they don't have any skulls on them at all. The chest plate still has one as well the helmets for ranked individuals. Primaris kits still have purity seals that can be attached as well as many kits having some skull adorned bit (I like to think they are weapon cleaning field kits). The kits still have a couple of not plain pauldrons to add a little more warrior-monk. It that is not enough, they are interchangeable with non-primaris space marines. Still want more, you could always add veteran bits to them.

I will certainly agree that the lack of power weapons doesn't do the primaris marines any favors in continuing the warrior-monk aesthetic. The Captain in Gravis armor is certainly the primaris line's most warrior monk followed closely but general gravis units.

I am sure other posters didn't mean this, but one could draw a conclusion that some think that tacticool is the opposite, or tangential, to Grimdark. I would go as far as saying tacticool isn't even tangential to being warrior-monk. Although, I will concede that it could be difficult to make a model that sells both tacticool and warrior-monk without coming off trying to do too much all at once.

   
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 Galef wrote:
Personally, I'm a fan of the Primaris design. They're true scale Marines and I have no issues with their "lack" of grim dark. They are supposed to be a new hope for the Imperium

But, I personally don't like the Phobos armour. Not only is the name silly, but I don't like the tiny ankles and weird faces. It's a shame that it look like GW wants them to be the future of all Primaris. It would be long before we get Phobos Gravis armour

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fun fact Phobos is the greek god of fear, thus phobos armor basicly translates as terror armor.

as for Phobos being the future of all Primairs.. where the hell do you get that idea?


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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I suppose I like the tacticool look given how I painted up my primaris army. However, even when I look at Phobos armor I see a few elements that have aspects D&D/Tolkien-esque sensibilities. Where many see board shorts and crocs, I see fantasy high boots with the cuff rolled over. Check the Exalted Hero of Chaos or Blood Warriors boots to see what I mean. The only difference is instead of them being leather, they are ceramite. Even the all the belts and pouches is basically the sci-fi/modern equivalent to straps and bags that all my D&D rouges and rangers had on them all the way back in the nineties. Phobos armor to me is fantasy ranger armor given the 40k space marine treatment. I don't see it being all that less grimdark or warrior-monk than scout armor. Which makes sense as both phobos units and scouts perform stealth/black ops kind of missions. To be honest, out side the Space Wolves, it always seemed strange to space marines to use their least experienced men to perform some of the most important aspects of conducting war (removing the fog or war).

Certainly Mark X armor has dropped the number of skulls per inch on them. That said, it isn't like they don't have any skulls on them at all. The chest plate still has one as well the helmets for ranked individuals. Primaris kits still have purity seals that can be attached as well as many kits having some skull adorned bit (I like to think they are weapon cleaning field kits). The kits still have a couple of not plain pauldrons to add a little more warrior-monk. It that is not enough, they are interchangeable with non-primaris space marines. Still want more, you could always add veteran bits to them.

I will certainly agree that the lack of power weapons doesn't do the primaris marines any favors in continuing the warrior-monk aesthetic. The Captain in Gravis armor is certainly the primaris line's most warrior monk followed closely but general gravis units.

I am sure other posters didn't mean this, but one could draw a conclusion that some think that tacticool is the opposite, or tangential, to Grimdark. I would go as far as saying tacticool isn't even tangential to being warrior-monk. Although, I will concede that it could be difficult to make a model that sells both tacticool and warrior-monk without coming off trying to do too much all at once.


I'd arguer the absolute height of combining the two is the phobos Libby

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Phobos is wrong but Scouts are fine? Give me a break lol

Astartes needed a re-fresh, ground up to clear up some baggage and to design more distinctive kits in differnt roles.

I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.

Also there is 0% chance that Phobos is the future of all Astartes. The next big release 8-12 months from now will be Gravis focused.

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BrianDavion wrote:
Spoiler:
 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I suppose I like the tacticool look given how I painted up my primaris army. However, even when I look at Phobos armor I see a few elements that have aspects D&D/Tolkien-esque sensibilities. Where many see board shorts and crocs, I see fantasy high boots with the cuff rolled over. Check the Exalted Hero of Chaos or Blood Warriors boots to see what I mean. The only difference is instead of them being leather, they are ceramite. Even the all the belts and pouches is basically the sci-fi/modern equivalent to straps and bags that all my D&D rouges and rangers had on them all the way back in the nineties. Phobos armor to me is fantasy ranger armor given the 40k space marine treatment. I don't see it being all that less grimdark or warrior-monk than scout armor. Which makes sense as both phobos units and scouts perform stealth/black ops kind of missions. To be honest, out side the Space Wolves, it always seemed strange to space marines to use their least experienced men to perform some of the most important aspects of conducting war (removing the fog or war).

Certainly Mark X armor has dropped the number of skulls per inch on them. That said, it isn't like they don't have any skulls on them at all. The chest plate still has one as well the helmets for ranked individuals. Primaris kits still have purity seals that can be attached as well as many kits having some skull adorned bit (I like to think they are weapon cleaning field kits). The kits still have a couple of not plain pauldrons to add a little more warrior-monk. It that is not enough, they are interchangeable with non-primaris space marines. Still want more, you could always add veteran bits to them.

I will certainly agree that the lack of power weapons doesn't do the primaris marines any favors in continuing the warrior-monk aesthetic. The Captain in Gravis armor is certainly the primaris line's most warrior monk followed closely but general gravis units.

I am sure other posters didn't mean this, but one could draw a conclusion that some think that tacticool is the opposite, or tangential, to Grimdark. I would go as far as saying tacticool isn't even tangential to being warrior-monk. Although, I will concede that it could be difficult to make a model that sells both tacticool and warrior-monk without coming off trying to do too much all at once.


I'd arguer the absolute height of combining the two is the phobos Libby


Good Point.

   
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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Spoiler:
 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
I suppose I like the tacticool look given how I painted up my primaris army. However, even when I look at Phobos armor I see a few elements that have aspects D&D/Tolkien-esque sensibilities. Where many see board shorts and crocs, I see fantasy high boots with the cuff rolled over. Check the Exalted Hero of Chaos or Blood Warriors boots to see what I mean. The only difference is instead of them being leather, they are ceramite. Even the all the belts and pouches is basically the sci-fi/modern equivalent to straps and bags that all my D&D rouges and rangers had on them all the way back in the nineties. Phobos armor to me is fantasy ranger armor given the 40k space marine treatment. I don't see it being all that less grimdark or warrior-monk than scout armor. Which makes sense as both phobos units and scouts perform stealth/black ops kind of missions. To be honest, out side the Space Wolves, it always seemed strange to space marines to use their least experienced men to perform some of the most important aspects of conducting war (removing the fog or war).

Certainly Mark X armor has dropped the number of skulls per inch on them. That said, it isn't like they don't have any skulls on them at all. The chest plate still has one as well the helmets for ranked individuals. Primaris kits still have purity seals that can be attached as well as many kits having some skull adorned bit (I like to think they are weapon cleaning field kits). The kits still have a couple of not plain pauldrons to add a little more warrior-monk. It that is not enough, they are interchangeable with non-primaris space marines. Still want more, you could always add veteran bits to them.

I will certainly agree that the lack of power weapons doesn't do the primaris marines any favors in continuing the warrior-monk aesthetic. The Captain in Gravis armor is certainly the primaris line's most warrior monk followed closely but general gravis units.

I am sure other posters didn't mean this, but one could draw a conclusion that some think that tacticool is the opposite, or tangential, to Grimdark. I would go as far as saying tacticool isn't even tangential to being warrior-monk. Although, I will concede that it could be difficult to make a model that sells both tacticool and warrior-monk without coming off trying to do too much all at once.


I'd arguer the absolute height of combining the two is the phobos Libby


Good Point.


it's a gorgous model, hopefully they'll release it outside of shadowspear soon

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 Ishagu wrote:
Phobos is wrong but Scouts are fine? Give me a break lol

Astartes needed a re-fresh, ground up to clear up some baggage and to design more distinctive kits in differnt roles.

I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.

Also there is 0% chance that Phobos is the future of all Astartes. The next big release 8-12 months from now will be Gravis focused.




.... Whut? You are convinced that people who don't like something ... Don't own the thing they don't like???

Strange hot take but yeah sure, I'd say you are spot on.

   
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If you don't like it why would you buy enough of it to run as a whole army? That sounds stupid to me.

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 Ishagu wrote:


I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.


There might be some truth to that. I know I was against them to the point I wanted to start an Imperial Fists 4th company due a quote from one of them on Primaris. However, after building and painting some of my Shadowspear stuff, I couldn't get over how good they looked (and how much better of a painter they made me look like compared to what I really am). Looking at non-Primaris Space Marines is like going back a generation or two in video game graphics. You remember them looking a lot better when you played them, but coming back to them after a decade they don't hold up as well as you remember them. They might still have their charm, but it is tough to have them standing next to each other.

I think this only going to become more apparent as GW has changed their proportions aesthetic. I think for the most part xenos will be fine since whatever they are it is easy enough to say that is what they are. But when Sisters of Battle come out, Imperial Guard infantry models are going to start looking kinda iffy I think. At that point, I think the IoM will be reaching a tipping point of stuff with this new less bulky design.

   
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 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
 Ishagu wrote:


I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.


There might be some truth to that. I know I was against them to the point I wanted to start an Imperial Fists 4th company due a quote from one of them on Primaris. However, after building and painting some of my Shadowspear stuff, I couldn't get over how good they looked (and how much better of a painter they made me look like compared to what I really am). Looking at non-Primaris Space Marines is like going back a generation or two in video game graphics. You remember them looking a lot better when you played them, but coming back to them after a decade they don't hold up as well as you remember them. They might still have their charm, but it is tough to have them standing next to each other.

I think this only going to become more apparent as GW has changed their proportions aesthetic. I think for the most part xenos will be fine since whatever they are it is easy enough to say that is what they are. But when Sisters of Battle come out, Imperial Guard infantry models are going to start looking kinda iffy I think. At that point, I think the IoM will be reaching a tipping point of stuff with this new less bulky design.


I say that because I was upset with Primaris when they were first revealed. When I actually got some on my painting table and used them there was no going back after that point.

Infiltrators were one of these models I wasn't sold on, but they look brillaint in person.

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ERJAK wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Primaris risk to become very generic Sci-Fi space men.


^Yes. 1000 times yes. Imo they're really botching it.


Marines have always been generic Sci-fi space men. They're by far the most boring faction in the setting.


With chainsaw swords, medieval helmets and WW1 tanks? No, I think not.

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 Ishagu wrote:
 Saturmorn Carvilli wrote:
 Ishagu wrote:


I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.


There might be some truth to that. I know I was against them to the point I wanted to start an Imperial Fists 4th company due a quote from one of them on Primaris. However, after building and painting some of my Shadowspear stuff, I couldn't get over how good they looked (and how much better of a painter they made me look like compared to what I really am). Looking at non-Primaris Space Marines is like going back a generation or two in video game graphics. You remember them looking a lot better when you played them, but coming back to them after a decade they don't hold up as well as you remember them. They might still have their charm, but it is tough to have them standing next to each other.

I think this only going to become more apparent as GW has changed their proportions aesthetic. I think for the most part xenos will be fine since whatever they are it is easy enough to say that is what they are. But when Sisters of Battle come out, Imperial Guard infantry models are going to start looking kinda iffy I think. At that point, I think the IoM will be reaching a tipping point of stuff with this new less bulky design.


I say that because I was upset with Primaris when they were first revealed. When I actually got some on my painting table and used them there was no going back after that point.

Infiltrators were one of these models I wasn't sold on, but they look brillaint in person.


agreed once you have the minis in hand, you're sold even the gravis stuff which was once mocked you realize looks great in person

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 Ishagu wrote:
If you don't like it why would you buy enough of it to run as a whole army? That sounds stupid to me.

"I really don't like this, I'm going to keep buying more of it"

Think about it differently. I remember speaking with someone on here a month or two back. We were talking about the Tempestus Scions. He told me he didn’t like the models since they didn’t have a lots of ruck and carry equipment, something one would expect on special forces and drop troops. I asked him if he had ever bought a kit. He told me he only ever had some of the torsos and legs for conversions. I then informed him how GW never accurately showed the sheer amount of extra customization bits in the art and advertising images. I told him about the canteens, knives, uplifting primers, grenades, pouches, etc.

The issue of the matter was that he never got to see the whole thing and it’s potential in his own hands. His opinion changed to be a bit more favorable after I informed him of all the bits.

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 Formosa wrote:
Primaris, ok to good looking infantry, vehicles that can die in a dumpster fire.

main problem with the whole range, its CAD and not sculpted, so all the infantry and tanks are just mish mashes of other models with a hell of a lot less thought put into them than a real sculptor would do.... I HATE CAD now because it has ruined HH units and Primaris tanks


I mean, this is so far from true that it’s silly. CAD is sculpting. Go tell me the likes of Darren Latham aren’t ‘real sculptors’. The stuff that man achieves in plastic is breathtaking. No amount of Luddite “GS or GTFO” thinking makes the all-CAD Genestealer Cults any less of a beautiful range. This idea that CAD=BAD is weird. CAD is but a tool, modern putty if you will, and better suited to sculpting for plastic production than Green Stuff three-ups. It’s better suited to tanks than older methods. If you dislike the stylistic choices of the sculpts, fine, but the sculpting medium is not inherently evil. .
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
Primaris, ok to good looking infantry, vehicles that can die in a dumpster fire.

main problem with the whole range, its CAD and not sculpted, so all the infantry and tanks are just mish mashes of other models with a hell of a lot less thought put into them than a real sculptor would do.... I HATE CAD now because it has ruined HH units and Primaris tanks


I mean, this is so far from true that it’s silly. CAD is sculpting. Go tell me the likes of Darren Latham aren’t ‘real sculptors’. The stuff that man achieves in plastic is breathtaking. No amount of Luddite “GS or GTFO” thinking makes the all-CAD Genestealer Cults any less of a beautiful range. This idea that CAD=BAD is weird. CAD is but a tool, modern putty if you will, and better suited to sculpting for plastic production than Green Stuff three-ups. It’s better suited to tanks than older methods. If you dislike the stylistic choices of the sculpts, fine, but the sculpting medium is not inherently evil. .


CAD is a phenomenal tool. It also allows you to be lazier. Thats the issue. It's not unlike a CG camera. You can do anything with a CG camera, however the freedom of movement, coupled with lazy decision making, can have really terrible results.

The lack of "groumding" to reality/tactile experience can have unfortunate side effects.
   
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 Ishagu wrote:
Phobos is wrong but Scouts are fine? Give me a break lol

Astartes needed a re-fresh, ground up to clear up some baggage and to design more distinctive kits in differnt roles.

I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.

Also there is 0% chance that Phobos is the future of all Astartes. The next big release 8-12 months from now will be Gravis focused.


Having both, me personally I still love both old and new marines.

Saying someone is wrong for disliking them though is a bit much. There are some very different looks to the model lines now emerging. You can get the " old guard " feel for old marines. The look of the new primaris can divorce you from that original vision once you start putting them all on the board. The old squad set ups felt more mature with special weapon, heavy, sgt etc and how the squad felt fleshed out like a take all comers type unit. The single set up units feel boring and lack the feeling of giving it your personal spin.

For instance it was for some players a matter of personal pride how they set up their Tac Squads, went into a whole discussion for their set up, use, based on their load outs and what they got done with them. Now, it's pretty much whole squads with the same load outs and a point and click type combat role, hardly anything that needs to be discussed.

As well as the fluff abortion that they ushered in. I pretty much have to ignore the fluff to justify them being in the deathwatch at all as there wouldn't be any at all highly specialized or skilled enough in their job to have earned a place in the Deathwatch unless I'm saying my force is way far in the future. Hell the fluff even says " G man was like " Hey you guys always talk about needing more men right ? Here's a bunch ! have fun ! " They should have just taken the hit, and upgraded all marines and let the customer decide to upgrade to the new models or not as opposed to going through this mental gymnastics to have wave them into instant use fresh out the test tubes.

Visually though I like both, but they both tend to be different and you aren't wrong for missing the grim dark, I know I do. More and more the marines are cool but even more bland than they were, now this may change but to say they call back to all old marines were is just not true. The whole set up, build, units have none of the make it your own feel old marines had and that is in part why old players take issue with it. Each unit is less " yours " and more, pick variant unit 1, 2 or maybe 3 and they are all that which doesn't feel as cool as the old squad set ups.

Just my feelings looking at it from both angles of the debate.
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:

That's actually sorta beside the point. Proportions have a lot to do with how an object is shown.


What makes the marines in the video not look like just some "scifi COD guy"?


I dont play COD, but I'd guess one looks like a modern day ish soldier, and the other looks like a cross between a SW storm trooper and a refrigerator.

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Well, classic Marines were starting to look very dated to me. They are inspired by 80s edge lord - heavy metal instead of a functional super soldier.

The Sternguard look like walking shrines that went too far. The helmets look like Darth Vader, etc

The Primaris are a cleaner, more progressive look inspired by MkIV armour from the HH, widely considered one of the most popular designs.

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Theres nothing clean or progressive about that open topped not-a-dred.

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Like I said, its all about what you like. Though I'd say just because something is old doesn't mean it can't look better than the new or feel better to the new, it's all in the eye of the beholder after all.

I'd probably not pick on the old models for looking like certain sci fi movie characters. The new dread looks straight from the matrix. GW has a trend of taking looks from various sci fi properties over time. Some of the old old cadians looked like colonial marines from Aliens, and the current cadians strike me an awful lot like mobile infantry, as just some of the easiest examples.

While the stern guard are very over done with the add ons, I know some players who absolutely love it. Just like I'm sure some love the new matrix dread.

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Theres nothing clean or progressive about that open topped not-a-dred.


Have you seen it in person? I haven't.

Maybe I'll love it, maybe I won't. Maybe the rules will be so good it becomes the most common unit in the game.

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 Ishagu wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Theres nothing clean or progressive about that open topped not-a-dred.


Have you seen it in person? I haven't.

Maybe I'll love it, maybe I won't. Maybe the rules will be so good it becomes the most common unit in the game.

I don't need to see it in person to know it isnt "clean and progressive". Awesome rules wont change its aesthetics.

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 Ishagu wrote:
Phobos is wrong but Scouts are fine? Give me a break lol

Astartes needed a re-fresh, ground up to clear up some baggage and to design more distinctive kits in differnt roles.

I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it. Once I put my Primaris army down on the table there was no going back - they look imposing, impressive and the correct size next to non super-human models.

Also there is 0% chance that Phobos is the future of all Astartes. The next big release 8-12 months from now will be Gravis focused.


The fact that needed a refresh does not mean that one can have concerns on the concepts or the execution. BTW I dislike the concept - neutrally thinking about it, I have to say that the execution is mostly great barring, as Galef said, the Phobos Ankles that remember me the way some douche-y man wear pants.
AGAIN, see how the CSMs were refreshed - not betraying the former concept, and with an excellent execution.
See how the mechanicus was done, perfectly in tone with the old Blanchian concepts in its essence.

I wish to answer in specifically to "I'm convinced that the people who speak negatively of the range don't own much or any of it."
At the risk of sounding confrontational, this is at the level of what I would read on a post written by a joke account. OF COURSE if I don't like the models I am not going to buy them.
What you wrote has the unfortunate implication that one should buy every GW model out there regardless.
What the warp?

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I think what Ishagu means is people who dislike the primaris Range have mostly looked at it on computers and not taken a good long look at the minis. which is a legit arguement to make, although one I'm not sure I agree with as everyone should have some primaris now if they play space marines, because let's face it, if you played space marines you proably bought dark imperium

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^Why would I have bought Dark Imperium?

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 Insectum7 wrote:
^Why would I have bought Dark Imperium?


not you in specific but I suspect most marine players did, it was a good value for the money and all. quite frankly if youve never first hand gotten a good look at primaris you proably should before you judge the model. even the repulsor isn't as bad in person.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
^Why would I have bought Dark Imperium?


not you in specific but I suspect most marine players did, it was a good value for the money and all. quite frankly if youve never first hand gotten a good look at primaris you proably should before you judge the model. even the repulsor isn't as bad in person.


Oh, I've seen them in person a plenty.

Here's my basic rundown for Primaris.
A: Intercessors and Hellblasters look pretty good.
A1: They dont look good next to my current collection though.
A2: I really dislike the squad organization aka, lack of options.

B: None of the other Primaris kits do anything for me. I find them pretty uninspired, to say the least.

So There are some kits I can appreciate, but they dont look good with my current collection, and I dont want to build an army around them because I dont like the rest of their units.

Plus I already have a marine army. If I wanted to collect a new army, It'd be not marines. I have Eldar I can add to, as well as a sizeable Tyranid and Chaos army.

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