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Hey don't knock that storyline. That's basically also the storyline of Periscope Down, which was an amazing comedy.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Remember in the Battleship movie how they had to steal a WW2 Battleship because "worse technology is the secret trick!"? Yeah, it didn't make sense in that, either.

It did make sense. An Iowa class is built like a fortress compared to a modern missile destroyer.

So the US just keeps battleships lying around that are fully functional? Or does the Iowa Class come with a magic water repellent hull?

pm713 wrote:
So the US just keeps battleships lying around that are fully functional? Or does the Iowa Class come with a magic water repellent hull?

Oh don't get me wrong, the movie isn't exactly realistic. Whilst the USS Missouri can theoretically be used, it would need a lot more work than it gets in the film. I do love that film though, mainly because I love massive ships.

 Trickstick wrote:

pm713 wrote:
So the US just keeps battleships lying around that are fully functional? Or does the Iowa Class come with a magic water repellent hull?

Oh don't get me wrong, the movie isn't exactly realistic. Whilst the USS Missouri can theoretically be used, it would need a lot more work than it gets in the film. I do love that film though, mainly because I love massive ships.

its a great fun film

pm713 wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Remember in the Battleship movie how they had to steal a WW2 Battleship because "worse technology is the secret trick!"? Yeah, it didn't make sense in that, either.

It did make sense. An Iowa class is built like a fortress compared to a modern missile destroyer.

So the US just keeps battleships lying around that are fully functional? Or does the Iowa Class come with a magic water repellent hull?

Montage!





As for Ian Watson... he gave the world the image of ejaculating bolters and for that he should get a knighthood at the very least.

 Da Boss wrote:
Inferno was great. Dan Abnett had some great short fiction in there. The first one I got was the one with the Escher ganger on the cover.

Think I had issue one that had the Lone surviving terminator on a planet who loses his memory and is taken in by the local people who are getting picked off by this monster. Turns out it’s a Carnifex that killed the rest of the Terminator’s squad and then he sees his armour and remembers who is and goes off to fight the Carnifex to save his new “family”

 Trickstick wrote:

pm713 wrote:
So the US just keeps battleships lying around that are fully functional? Or does the Iowa Class come with a magic water repellent hull?

Oh don't get me wrong, the movie isn't exactly realistic. Whilst the USS Missouri can theoretically be used, it would need a lot more work than it gets in the film. I do love that film though, mainly because I love massive ships.

I love how all the old salt crew members are just milling around on the ship too... shouldnt they be retired in an armchair somewhere?

From personal experience , sailors are a wierd bunch.

A really wierd bunch.


And that statement comes from me Irony.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
Inferno was great. Dan Abnett had some great short fiction in there. The first one I got was the one with the Escher ganger on the cover.

Think I had issue one that had the Lone surviving terminator on a planet who loses his memory and is taken in by the local people who are getting picked off by this monster. Turns out it’s a Carnifex that killed the rest of the Terminator’s squad and then he sees his armour and remembers who is and goes off to fight the Carnifex to save his new “family”

I remember one where an inquisitor tries to both stop a demonic incursion and save the child psyker who's (inadvertently) responsible for it.

I've just read Mike Brooks necromunda story from the BL celebration book.. Going to put him down as one to avoid, the story wasn't particularly bad, but the whole thing was very hard to read purely from an English language perspective, due to the use of certain words. I won't go into it here but if you read the story you'll probably figure out what I mean.

 Duskweaver wrote:
"The trouble with the Heresy as envisaged by GW is it just feels like 40K - it doesn't have the feel of a genuinely different society that ten thousand years separation would give you. Whenever I wrote anything that referenced back to those times I always wrote in a legendary, non-literal style. It's as if you were dealing with something like the Iliad rather than literal history - and there you're only talking three thousand years - ten thousand years - that takes us back to the end of the last ice-age... and I don't get any sense of understanding about 'deep time' when I look at anything GW have set in the 40K 'past'."

Even the best HH books feel like they're set a few centuries at most prior to the 40K 'present', not in an unfathomably distant past. And authors being too keen on filling in all the interesting gaps has led to things like the Emperor looking like a moron with a stupid plan that could never have worked; and the Primarchs feeling like ridiculous man-babies (and being literal physical giants rather than that being a result of ten millennia of ignorance and myth-making).

To add some late two cents;

I feel like the issue with HH as a series (and I generally like it) is that so much of it works as "distant legend" but just doesn't work when treated as something that literally happened.

The series makes numerous characters look like absolute morons, the Emperor actually being one of the worst. Master of Mankind only made this worse in a lot of ways. The whole series, with it's blatantly damaged characters and so obviously wrong you have to be a complete idiot not to see the problem relationships makes the Heresy come off as something that should have doomed the Impirium from the start, not something that any corrupting gods needed to come along and conspire for. How the feth was telling Magnus off decades after the fact remotely close to a good way of handling the psyker problem? Why the hell is the Emperor saying "no religion" while ignoring Lorgar's preaching for centuries? What was he literally thinking putting Angron in charge of anything, let alone letting him stay in charge of anything after the first few years? It goes beyond a simple lack of empathy or compassion, or misplaced trust. Its mind boggling, something that could only result from true idiocy.

It works just fine in a 10,000 years ago kind of way, when propaganda, myth, and legend has colored everything and misrepresented the truth. As actual literal events it just does not work and trying to make it work makes every character come off as a moron to dumb to live. Early in the series, my biggest beef was that we never got to see much of the brotherhood of the Primachs, the good times between them that would make the war to come really heart shattering. By the end of the series, I just didn't care anymore because everything about their characters is so dysfunctional from a narrative perspective. They should have been one of the coolest parts of the series and instead became the biggest drags as the rampant stupidity that surrounds their behaviors and actions piles up.

HH desperately needed GW to go outside their comfort zone and say "we need to adapt these legends that have been in the canon for eons and present them as real stories about real people." HH is not that, and it really only gets worse as the series enters its massive drag after the first dozen books.