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 Overread wrote:
I'm very pleased to read this and that GW is going to make her available online as well and not make everyone have to rush to local stores during these uncertain times when many might not want too or might even be unable to reach their local store

I mean, they state that you can have your store order one for you too if you 'miss out' on the physical ones.
   
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The online availability for me is good news as I have zero chance of getting to a physical store for a couple of months.


I am getting more cynical over the thought that GW's idea of expanding the Imperial Guard will be just a new Catachan squad sprue rather than a new Regiment after the effort being expended on Catachan characters.

   
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alphaecho wrote:
I am getting more cynical over the thought that GW's idea of expanding the Imperial Guard will be just a new Catachan squad sprue rather than a new Regiment after the effort being expended on Catachan characters.
The catachan and cadian infantry squads are super-dated. I think that anything shy of seeing those two units fixed would be pretty lame.


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I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.
   
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Ripper and the Captain getting models are suggestive they’ve been working on Catachan Infantry.

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Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.
   
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That would be funny. First make limited ed models many won't likely touch because of current basic infantry models suck and then when these aren't available anymore release infantry that would have got people interested in these

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Ripper and the Captain getting models are suggestive they’ve been working on Catachan Infantry.

Well, it at least suggests there's concepts for officers and the like.
Much like how the Renegade Guardsmen from Black Fortress suggest they've been looking at Cadians.

JWBS wrote:I don't see why they'd make a new Catachan army. We can't really have all the old regiments anymore, for reasons of practicality we should only have one. Personally I'd much prefer Moradians, Valhallans or DkoK if it's not Cadians again.

Real-talk: we absolutely can have the old regiments, they just need to have different unit profiles for it to really 'work'.

I've been saying for awhile now that if we see Guard redone, we'll most likely see some kind of differentiation for profiles. Not just "Oh, here are Veterans. And those are Conscripts. And those are Guardsmen!"--but full on things like "Light Infantry" being the Catachan-style kit, "Line Infantry" being the Cadian kit, and Scions being the de facto "Heavy Infantry" for the future.
   
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JWBS wrote:
Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.



We're on the same thought process there.

I had the 2nd Ed metals as I had at least a Command Squad, one infantry squad and one heavy squad for each of the Regiments relesaed.

I even bought the plastics when first released but had no enthusiasm for them. In fact, of the whole box, I only really rated the comms backpack. I love finding them in bits sales.


For those not constrained by having to have GW models (playing in store, official competitions and so on), GW can only lose more IG sales to Wargames Atlantic amongst others. I've already set aside a slush fund waiting for their Space Brits to arrive.

   
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JWBS wrote:
Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.

Vostroyan designs were that for teen me. They looked as bad as the Valhallans did.

Plus their design is mostly in the Scion side of things now.
   
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I'm not saying I agree with the decision to go catachan (I like the old Armageddon ork hunters, but find catachans frankly bland). I just think they're the least work (command is in good shape, heavy are okay) and the writing is on the wall (recent characters seem to telegraph intent).

If I had my druthers, I'd see an IG update with a greatcoat regiment and some alt heads for cadians (mordian, praetorian, tallaran all get close enough to cadians with their tunics with some do-dads a la GSC).


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 Overread wrote:
I'm very pleased to read this and that GW is going to make her available online as well and not make everyone have to rush to local stores during these uncertain times when many might not want too or might even be unable to reach their local store
Or people who don't have a local store anyway (although that may seem an alien concept for people in many parts of the UK! ).

Wonder if it's going to be Made to Order or limited by some other conditions (beyond the time of availability), but it's certainly a good move that they'll be accessible online at some point.
   
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Considering that she'll be cast up if you order in store and they don't have enough it would suggest she'll be basically made to order. They might cap her per account to prevent easy abuse.

I just have to work out now if I risk getting one or pay more for two since I want to convert her to become a Cultist

   
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Will try to grab one if I can. It’s a cool looking mini, and hey if we’re lucky some more catachans will be on the way...
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
JWBS wrote:
Vostroyan would also be nice. Catachans were always the bottom tier regiment for me, even the metals, they looked fine but the concept was too hackneyed even for 13yo me.

Vostroyan designs were that for teen me. They looked as bad as the Valhallans did.

Plus their design is mostly in the Scion side of things now.


Dude, I respect your opinion, but saying that the Vostroyan design was bottom tier...my mind just blew up.
   
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Unpopular opinion? I feel the 2nd Ed Regiments for IG were an error in judgement.

Millions of planets, only a handful of real note? I’d have preferred they refreshed the original Rogue Trader aesthetic.

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You know, to be honest, I'd really like to see a dedicated Rogue Trader army list next edition. It's like Inquisition used to be atm, all special characters and no troop choices (besides Starstriders).

I'm half tempted to see what sort of list I can make with stuff from BSF and maybe the IG list.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Unpopular opinion? I feel the 2nd Ed Regiments for IG were an error in judgement.

Millions of planets, only a handful of real note? I’d have preferred they refreshed the original Rogue Trader aesthetic.


Cadians are pretty much a rehash of the RT aesthetic. They just cranked the size of the helmets down and gave the flak vest some detail. Though I miss the sunglasses and visors (for the sheer joy of not fiddling with painting eyes).

Though I'd happily dump most of the metal regiments (models and rules) in a fire. Too much modern baggage attached to most, and they concepts they went with are absurdly impractical and limited.

Also their mostly ugly models. Bad faces, poor details. Or, in the case of Vostroyans, absurdly busy and _over-detailed_, and not distinct enough from Valhallans (which they seemed to have pushed the designer on 'mostly the same, but even more silly').


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I’d like to see regiment variety retained but I’d also like to see their various equipment actually make a difference. The lasgun is the most versatile and flexible weapons platform ever devised and it would be cool to see that on the TT. Like Catachans having shorter ranged assault lasguns, Cadians having variable-output ones, that sort of thing.

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Until we have 15 types of Lasguns in the same way as Marines have too many types of Bolter?

Not sure the game can handle that.

   
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put one more vote in the "I want plastic vostroyans" camp.

Though I.think.id.be even happier if they made Peachys Ventrillians an official regiment.

   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’d like to see regiment variety retained but I’d also like to see their various equipment actually make a difference. The lasgun is the most versatile and flexible weapons platform ever devised and it would be cool to see that on the TT. Like Catachans having shorter ranged assault lasguns, Cadians having variable-output ones, that sort of thing.


I think that misses the whole point of ubiquitous.

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It also adds an extra layer of book-keeping to the game

 
   
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 BroodSpawn wrote:
It also adds an extra layer of book-keeping to the game

Not really, provided the weapons look distinctive enough?

The ubiquity of the lasgun is its ease to maintain a supply chain...that's not something easily represented on the tabletop when a game doesn't have ammo checks.
Lasguns definitely could fit the bill for a few variants ala the Bolter families. Hell, there's even a couple of 'shotgun' lasers!
   
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If GW wanted to, and cared too, you could get a fair few different regiments out of just a few kits.

You have the long coat kit, where the main difference is the heads. So Steel Legion, Kreig, Valhallen, Vostroyan...

You can have the If you accepted that mordians would wear flak armour similar to cadians, but with different arms and heads, you can have mordian, cadian and praetorian guard. Heck, if you let catachans have a flak vest instead of a vest, they could go in that kit also. Even Elysian maybe.

That's 8 regiments across 2 kits with the main difference being heads.

The head and arms for more obscure regiments could be supplement kits if they wanted to cut it down to 2x head and arm variations per main kit.

GW could genuinely do absolutely amazing plastic guard kits now, I've thought about building a necromunda gang militia army for a while since they bought out all the necromunda kits, there's so much possibility with them, and it really is just infantry that need doing, the vehicles, and support squads like ogryns and scions they have are already perfect.


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The one key missing iconic regiment would be tallarn but they could probably be worked into the cadian kit I suppose with a redesign of sorts.

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Or, in the case of Vostroyans, absurdly busy and _over-detailed_, and not distinct enough from Valhallans (which they seemed to have pushed the designer on 'mostly the same, but even more silly').


They don't really have much in common. Valhallans are typical Perry miniatures based on actual military forces (in this case WW2 Germans and Russians in winter uniform) while the Vostroyans are based on some Blanche sketches.
   
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If GW wanted to, and cared too, you could get a fair few different regiments out of just a few kits.

You posted a lot and I don't want to make a real big huge wall of text out of it and my reply.

It's important to note that the 'longcoat' regiments? They're really just the Krieg and Valhallans--and even then, the Krieg have a bit of external armor(pauldrons on the standard Death Korps while Grenadiers and Death Riders have cuirasses and legplates) in addition to their helmet+respirator while the Valhallans have no pauldrons. Valhallans have a similar helmet to the Death Korps but rather than the respirator setup, they keep a bedroll/extra blankets wrapped around their torsos.
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Vostroyans kinda/sorta fit into this groove as well...but their aesthetic is a whole other beast entirely. I've genuinely been surprised that they have not released them as a thing for the AdMech or Imperial Knights.
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The Steel Legion? Not 'longcoats'. They're longer coats than, say, the Cadians but not what people tend to think of for 'longcoat guard'.
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The high boots plus lack of armor make it feel longcoat-ish, plus their officers wearing longcoats throws the imagery of the regiment off a bit.
The Steel Legion are one of the odd ones out when it comes to an aesthetic within the Guard but could mesh well with Mordians and Praetorians.

Elysians would go best with Tallarn, Tanith, and Catachans for an 'elite, light infantry' design.

Vostroyans could easily just be removed from the lore or made into an Officio Prefectus styled unit.
Valhallans and Krieg as a shared box? Would need to have some slight redesigns to the concepts but could work.
Cadians would also work well with Catachans for a concept, assuming the Cadian sleeves start getting rolled up again or some armor plating on the arms is optional.
   
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I think rather than generic bodies with mix and match heads, they’d be better going down the Necromunda route; a single sprue of 5 for each regiment, that can be built in two or three variations each, plus various special weapons doesn’t seem unachievable. You might even be able to fit the command squad bits on there too.

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10+ Space marine armies is ok, they're basically the same model over and over with a wolf pelt or a bionic hand (excess SKUs is a different matter), but 10 distinct Imperial Guard armies seems ludicrous. They aren't Necro gangs, there's too much stuff required for this to be practical. Think of the finecast Aspect warriors, please, they've been through enough.
   
 
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