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Huh, I did a check on Lexicanum and apparently, Hive cities aren't archeotech. I had it in my mind that building a Hive was an almost impossible task which is why the Imperium always fought so hard to keep Hive Worlds over things like Agri Worlds.
TBF, the article has naff all references and doesn't even have an accepted source, so maybe I was right? Who knows.

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They kind of are, and aren’t.

Nobody specifically sets out to build a Hive City. Rather they form via millennia of constant building and rebuilding.

So the very bottom most levels absolutely are archaeotech. Indeed it’s often believed the original colonial fleets may will form the earliest buildings.

But they’re still being added to and repaired up to the modern day, so the upper most levels and external surfaces will be fairly modern.

It is certainly possible that the materials needed to Build High For Happiness come from STC designs though, even if the final assembly is made from actual knowledge?


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So, yeah. Pretty much any modern day Old World city will have the same.

London in particular continually turns up archaeology from Roman times, and possibly even earlier settlements.

Same with a Hive City.

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England

I remember that Double Eagle references a town a few millennia old that’s only a few centuries older than a hive on the same world. I could well be misremembering.

See that stuff above? Completely true. All of it, every single word. Stands to reason. 
   
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Hive cities seem to be the kind of thing you really do want to plan… tall buildings are really complicated and can fall over quite easily, especially if there is constant internecine warfare between residents using exotic high energy weapons.


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I have just had a comparison jump into my head, that I’m not too sure how well it works, but I’ll go for it anyway.

Using the Parthenon as the foundation for a new Burj Kalifa does not seem like a good idea.

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But if the Parthenon was structurally superior to every other building type it would make sense.

But nothing about 40k is supposed to make sense....at least to a rational human being.
   
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 DalekCheese wrote:
I remember that Double Eagle references a town a few millennia old that’s only a few centuries older than a hive on the same world. I could well be misremembering.


Cant remember if your right or wrong, but age and size of the town are not directly related. New York, for example, has a population of between 8-20 million (depending on what you count as "New York", and where you choose to draw the dividing lines in a semi-continuous urban sprawl), but is over a millennium and a half younger than its namesake city of York, England, which has only 200,000 residents (York was founded in 71AD by the romans, New York in 1624 by the Dutch). It can largely be a matter of the patterns of civilisation, supporting infrastructure, relative momentum, etc that can leave two settlements that are seemingly very close to one another at their start states grow in radically different ways.


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England

xerxeskingofking wrote:
 DalekCheese wrote:
I remember that Double Eagle references a town a few millennia old that’s only a few centuries older than a hive on the same world. I could well be misremembering.


Cant remember if your right or wrong, but age and size of the town are not directly related. New York, for example, has a population of between 8-20 million (depending on what you count as "New York", and where you choose to draw the dividing lines in a semi-continuous urban sprawl), but is over a millennium and a half younger than its namesake city of York, England, which has only 200,000 residents (York was founded in 71AD by the romans, New York in 1624 by the Dutch). It can largely be a matter of the patterns of civilisation, supporting infrastructure, relative momentum, etc that can leave two settlements that are seemingly very close to one another at their start states grow in radically different ways.



Yes, but the relative ages are (IIRC) specifically stated, and one is known to be a hive- so it must have been built during the age of the Imperium.

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But if the Parthenon was structurally superior to every other building type it would make sense.

But nothing about 40k is supposed to make sense....at least to a rational human being.


Either you ask the STC for a low rise building and it spits out a on efficient plan for such, or you ask it for A building that can be factored into a hive in the future, at which point the hive is already planned… and your low rise building has a foundation that reaches A km or so into the ground…

The idea that you can just keep building stuff on top of other stuff until you have a 20km high hive just doesn’t work.

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