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 DrGiggles wrote:

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:

 DrGiggles wrote:
With the year coming to an end soon does anyone have any fitness goals for 2022? If you do what are your plans to get there?

I plan on finally hitting a 495lb deadlift, 405 squat, and 315 bench press in 2022. As long as I can stay healthy I should get there by the end of the year, probably faster if I put on ten or fifteen pounds.

100kg log press. I'm at 85kg now which is my bodyweight. Could probably do 90 but I don't want to push too hard and injure myself.

I'd also like 495lb on the deadlift, although for me it will be 220 so slightly below 495. I'm currently at 200 (440lb), and finding it harder to progress now.

Are logs a common implement in the UK? Outside of the rare strongman gym in the US I don't think I've ever seen one. A press greater than your bodyweight is impressive though, I hope you hit your goal.

What does your usual DL workout look like? You might need to try a variation to help a sticking point or increase your frequency if you are stalling.

I'm going to have to change my goals due to recent covid mandates where I live. I'm going to work on my vertical (no idea how high I can jump ATM) and see how many pull ups I can do while wearing a 40lb vest by the end of May.

Not common as far as I've seen, but the gym on my camp has a 65 kg metal log ( as well as farmers carry handles, sleds, and other more strongman oriented bits)that literally no one uses.
I find oly cleans more difficult due to poor mobility in the rack position which can cause me wrist pain. Log clean and press is a good alternative and I also find it better for raw strength in general because it's less about momentum than an oly clean and forces the use of rounded back.

I know I could improve my DL with focus on lower weights and adding deficits and rack pulls, the issue is more time than lack of knowledge. With the Phys I have to do for work and also getting the rest of my strength stuff in its difficult. I should stop being lazy and start gumming before work to be fair.

I can pull 220kg (485lb) on a trap bar (using the man handles) so I know I can handle the weight. It's the mechanics of the conventional deadlift, most likely grip that's holding that back.

trexmeyer wrote:

I think variations are overrated unless you have an injury or severe muscle imbalances. Building strength takes time, consistency, and volume. Variations aren't magic bullets. If you're moving decent weight, i.e 400+ on deadlift, you've probably already corrected some muscle imbalances that would be seen in an untrained individual. At that point your sticking points are likely going to be related to your skeletal structure and they will always be sticking points.

IMO, the great value of variations is that you can increase your total workload with them and I've switched from deloading with light weight to doing variants during that weak while still lifting around 70-80%.

Gonna preface this by saying I look at strength training using the "Stress, Recovery, Adaptation" model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRaAj9sLmPc

They definitely aren't magic bullets, but as you said they can be a useful tool to add some more volume/tonnage (stress) to a training program without increasing your fatigue a whole lot. The reason why I asked where his sticking point was is so he can focus practicing that portion of the lift in his variations (Deficit DL's if he is struggles breaking it off the floor, using bands if he struggles at lockout, etc). They also help break up the monotony when you have been doing the same lifts for 2+ years.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:


Not common as far as I've seen, but the gym on my camp has a 65 kg metal log ( as well as farmers carry handles, sleds, and other more strongman oriented bits)that literally no one uses.
I find oly cleans more difficult due to poor mobility in the rack position which can cause me wrist pain. Log clean and press is a good alternative and I also find it better for raw strength in general because it's less about momentum than an oly clean and forces the use of rounded back.

I know I could improve my DL with focus on lower weights and adding deficits and rack pulls, the issue is more time than lack of knowledge. With the Phys I have to do for work and also getting the rest of my strength stuff in its difficult. I should stop being lazy and start gumming before work to be fair.

I can pull 220kg (485lb) on a trap bar (using the man handles) so I know I can handle the weight. It's the mechanics of the conventional deadlift, most likely grip that's holding that back.

I'm very jealous, I'd love to have access to that equipment.

Training around a manual labor job can be a pain. What does a typical week of training look like for you?

Same. Im trying to make the most while I can because once I post again I don't think the gym will be so good. there's a strongman gym near me which has some great kit, atlas stones, yoke frames, everything, but it's just a touch far away and I have no time to go there during the week or weekend really.

So for mandatory PT we usually have a run, a 'circuit', a 'coaching' or free session, then combat PT or a tab each week. Our PTI is a bit dull and the sessions are hardly original. The runs are a few k running laps around the officers mess, turnin left like cartman in NASCAR. the circuits are usually 3 shuttles with endless air squats or Burpees at each end, and whilst we do squats and deads in the coaching sessions, there's little actual coaching for the guys who have no clue what they're doing. Luckily the last few weeks he's just let us do what we like due to our timetables and the times it gets dark, so I've been hitting it harder than I was before. Screw cardio, I can do that whenever and usually be all right.

When I can do what I like, I normally do a deadlift or hip hinge day, a squat day, a log press day and a random day. Each session will have a variation of the movement, standard, zercher, deficit, front squat etc, followed by maybe another exercise and some assistance work. At least one day I do some 'dyanmic' stuff like farmers carries, zercher carries and backwards sled pull which I do for my knee tendons. I think my progress is definitely hampered slightly by the randomness of my sessions and would benefit from a structured program for sure.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Same. Im trying to make the most while I can because once I post again I don't think the gym will be so good. there's a strongman gym near me which has some great kit, atlas stones, yoke frames, everything, but it's just a touch far away and I have no time to go there during the week or weekend really.

So for mandatory PT we usually have a run, a 'circuit', a 'coaching' or free session, then combat PT or a tab each week. Our PTI is a bit dull and the sessions are hardly original. The runs are a few k running laps around the officers mess, turnin left like cartman in NASCAR. the circuits are usually 3 shuttles with endless air squats or Burpees at each end, and whilst we do squats and deads in the coaching sessions, there's little actual coaching for the guys who have no clue what they're doing. Luckily the last few weeks he's just let us do what we like due to our timetables and the times it gets dark, so I've been hitting it harder than I was before. Screw cardio, I can do that whenever and usually be all right.

When I can do what I like, I normally do a deadlift or hip hinge day, a squat day, a log press day and a random day. Each session will have a variation of the movement, standard, zercher, deficit, front squat etc, followed by maybe another exercise and some assistance work. At least one day I do some 'dyanmic' stuff like farmers carries, zercher carries and backwards sled pull which I do for my knee tendons. I think my progress is definitely hampered slightly by the randomness of my sessions and would benefit from a structured program for sure.

Yeah, if you are doing 3k+ runs and other conditioning multiple times a week it can be really hard to make gains. Following a more focused program for your strength training would probably be your best bet. There are a lot of templates out there online, but I'd try and find one that is RPE based since you are going to be managing a lot of fatigue between work and your combat PT.

Since you are wanting to increase your log press and DL you could try the free strongman program Alan Thrall wrote for BBM a while ago. https://www.barbellmedicine.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Free-Strongman-Program.pdf

If you run it and like it they have another version for $50 that is probably similar but for more advanced strongmen.

Thanks, will definitely check that out!

I've started in doing a daily session on an elliptical machine, hoping to get back into "soccer shape". So far (two weeks in) so good! I like it much more than the treadmills / bikes I'd tried, lower impact than the treadmill and more comfortable than the bike. And I can rewatch "The Expanse" while doing it

Well after having heart surgery at the ripe old age of 33 i've taken trying to get fit/exercise a bit more serious, i'm still in recovery & doing light cardio physiotherapy
Hoping once my chest plate has healed to get a nice light upper body routine to go with my cardio & regain what i lost from 2 years of suffering (took a year to be diagnosed) then just under 10 months before operation
i lost 9ish kg since operation, i need to lose another 20+ easily to get to a point where i'm happy
Hasn't been easy & i still keep falling into the traps of pigging on junk food..with the new year i'm hoping to go on a bit of a cooking course & going to a heart seminar early Jan
While i would love to go back to gym..atm because of anxiety i just can't bring myself to go there

Oh blimey! Hoping what needed fixing is fixed and a swift recovery!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh blimey! Hoping what needed fixing is fixed and a swift recovery!

Thanks there is a fix in place it's all on me now to try get healthy & live a less stressful life, they've said i can only have the OP another two times so yeah haha really gotta fix up

Basically i had a heart defect where two arteries were ontop of each other rather than being one left one right..but it didn't affect me (well not that badly) so i went 32 years without knowing anything was wrong haha

Going to spend the vasty majority of 2022 just base building, in terms of strength (with a fair bit of hypertrophy) and getting some element of sufficient cardio back.

Going to keep it fairly simple in terms of a routine, with 6 weeks of building with a 1 week deload at the end of that. do that 3 times, and having a full week off for the last deload, then repeat again. With that taking me to near the end of the year, I will then do a peaking plan of around 8 weeks to hopefully hit some fairly decent numbers by the end of next year.

Main aims are:

120kg (265lb) Bench, whilst also doing 100kg (220lb) for 10 reps
180kg (395lb) Squat
220kg (485lb) Deadlift
100kg (220lb) Clean and Jerk
80kg (175lb) Snatch

Consistently running a sub 30 minute 5k every week for the last half of the year (need to slowly build my running back up, not good on the joints with my weight at the moment). Running is just for cardiovascular health and I prefer it to almost any form of other cardio.

I've stopped doing BJJ, whilst I do love it, the club I used to go to closed and didn't reopen because of Covid and I just can't get back into it at some of the places I've tried. Maybe I'll restart in 2023 after I've achieved the above goals. I also can't consistently attend classes due to work being so all over the place, which makes it hard to settle into a routine. I also get aggrieved spending so much (not a cheap sport) to have some months where I attend less than once a week.

The bonus goal is to do all at the above at a sub 95kg (210lb / 15 stone) body weight, currently 106kg (233lb / 16.6 stone).

2022 I have plans to complete 2 "major" local events, first a 63 mile Ride for the Major Taylor in April, and then in July, the STP which is either 1 day or 2 day ride from Seattle to Portland.

Gonna be ramping up the training here even this week in preparation for July (I definitely have never done a ride of that length. . . the Major Taylor will not be much of an issue as I have done rides that long before)

 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Going to spend the vasty majority of 2022 just base building, in terms of strength (with a fair bit of hypertrophy) and getting some element of sufficient cardio back.

Going to keep it fairly simple in terms of a routine, with 6 weeks of building with a 1 week deload at the end of that. do that 3 times, and having a full week off for the last deload, then repeat again. With that taking me to near the end of the year, I will then do a peaking plan of around 8 weeks to hopefully hit some fairly decent numbers by the end of next year.

Main aims are:

120kg (265lb) Bench, whilst also doing 100kg (220lb) for 10 reps
180kg (395lb) Squat
220kg (485lb) Deadlift
100kg (220lb) Clean and Jerk
80kg (175lb) Snatch

Consistently running a sub 30 minute 5k every week for the last half of the year (need to slowly build my running back up, not good on the joints with my weight at the moment). Running is just for cardiovascular health and I prefer it to almost any form of other cardio.

I've stopped doing BJJ, whilst I do love it, the club I used to go to closed and didn't reopen because of Covid and I just can't get back into it at some of the places I've tried. Maybe I'll restart in 2023 after I've achieved the above goals. I also can't consistently attend classes due to work being so all over the place, which makes it hard to settle into a routine. I also get aggrieved spending so much (not a cheap sport) to have some months where I attend less than once a week.

The bonus goal is to do all at the above at a sub 95kg (210lb / 15 stone) body weight, currently 106kg (233lb / 16.6 stone).

Have you tried jump rope for cardio instead of running?

I've done years of martial arts, I don't really enjoy skipping, I enjoy running as I have a fairly nice area around where I live so there's plenty to look at.

The main reason I need to slow build on the running is I basically did none all of 2020 due to having covid at the start of the year which resulted in pneumonia. CV and respiratory health is all good again now so I'm good to get back running.

I just want to build slow on the running as I've had plantar faciitis in the past from too much volume too soon. I could be running a decent 5k time again within a month or 2 but I'll be feeling it on the feet and joints if I do that and will inevitably end up taking some time off it again whereas I just want consistency more than anything, which means starting small and building properly.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Main aims are:

120kg (265lb) Bench, whilst also doing 100kg (220lb) for 10 reps
180kg (395lb) Squat
220kg (485lb) Deadlift
100kg (220lb) Clean and Jerk
80kg (175lb) Snatch

Those are definitely achievable at that weight. The bench rep to 1RM looks off to me. I put it into a 1RM Calculator and 220x10 = 293. In my experience that is fairly accurate.

Bearded__ninja wrote:Well after having heart surgery at the ripe old age of 33 i've taken trying to get fit/exercise a bit more serious, i'm still in recovery & doing light cardio physiotherapy

I'm 33 and I've made some decent strength gains this year after not lifting seriously for at least 4-5 years. We're not old yet.

queen_annes_revenge wrote:.

I can pull 220kg (485lb) on a trap bar (using the man handles) so I know I can handle the weight. It's the mechanics of the conventional deadlift, most likely grip that's holding that back.

Are you talking about low handles or high handles? I almost feel like low handles are harder than doing conventional. High handles are much easier. I pulled 580 conventional on pretty stiff bar today and I did 700 on a trap bar (high handles) about 6 weeks ago. I think my brother's ratio is 470-480/550-565.

My only lifetime goals left are 600lb conventional and 405lb bench. 250 OHP would be neat, but I'm still struggling to get back to 225. I pretty much only did trap bar deadlifts this year and my lifetime best on conventional went up at least 35lbs so I'll just keep doing that. They have really good carry over.

Last year I did 5/3/1 for like the last 8 months of the year + 10,000lbs of total volume minimum everyday. I'm going to start back on 5/3/1 and up the minimum volume to 15k.

Only other goal is to cut back under 200. Probably like 190-195 while hopefully preserving most of my strength.

trexmeyer wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Main aims are:

120kg (265lb) Bench, whilst also doing 100kg (220lb) for 10 reps
180kg (395lb) Squat
220kg (485lb) Deadlift
100kg (220lb) Clean and Jerk
80kg (175lb) Snatch

Those are definitely achievable at that weight. The bench rep to 1RM looks off to me. I put it into a 1RM Calculator and 220x10 = 293. In my experience that is fairly accurate.

That's just bar weight, not estimated 1RM. It's a case of endurance building for it, can already bench 110kg (240lbs) but struggle to do more than 3 reps most days at 100kg (220lbs, or 225lbs if you include clips). Just going to knuckle down with some hypertrophy based training to get the 10 reps for a good portion of the year and then have a peaking cycle to go for the 120kg. The 120kg should be fairly easy if I am hitting the 100kg for 10 reps, especially if I am going that for multiple sets like I intend to, but we'll see, I will probably hit higher than 120kg if all goes to plan. Same with the squat and deadlift... However, the job throws multiple hurdles in the way through the year so will be reduced to 2x sessions a week if I'm lucky at points.

Also just to add to this, a 1RM conversion lacks accuracy the higher the rep count, I find mine are only accurate for 3x reps and less personally. I've never had one be accurate for a 10 rep. I can squat 135 for 10 reps and I'm nowhere near 180kg yet (my 1rm is 160kg currently), yet the conversion suggests I should be able to squat 180kg. I tend to believe I can strength wise, without a shadow of a doubt my legs have the strength for it, but as anyone who has spent a lot of times on the squat will know, leg strength is only a part of the equation for the movement.

1RM Calculators are pretty accurate for me for anywhere from 2-20 reps on bench and overhead press. Less so on squat and deadlift, but I hate repping those. It's very off for me who are lean more fast or slow twitch. It's also generally off for women.

Going from 3 reps to 10 reps at a given weight isn't an endurance improvement, that's a massive strength improvement.

Yeah low handles. I prefer them as my weakness normally tends to be coming off the floor rather than lockout.

I've never used a serious 1rm calculator for myself, but I'm not sure who came up with the one the British army uses. Apparently 10 reps with 50kg(on the trap bar, high handles) gives a 1rm of 140kg but the girls are doing 10 and there's no way they're getting anywhere close to 140 for 1, so unless I'm missing some nuance of the scheme, it seems way off.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah low handles. I prefer them as my weakness normally tends to be coming off the floor rather than lockout.

I've never used a serious 1rm calculator for myself, but I'm not sure who came up with the one the British army uses. Apparently 10 reps with 50kg(on the trap bar, high handles) gives a 1rm of 140kg but the girls are doing 10 and there's no way they're getting anywhere close to 140 for 1, so unless I'm missing some nuance of the scheme, it seems way off.

I feel like low handles are hard(er). If you can do 485 without straps on low handles then it is 100% a minor groove or grip issue with being unable to do that conventional.

10 reps of 50kg should be 80kg for 1. Maybe less. Roughly speaking, you should be able to do around 70-80% of your 1RM for 10 reps depending on your ratio of fast/slow twitch. Excluding Olympic lifts.

Great thread!

Hope everyone gets to it!
Im going to loose 15kg this year target it to drop below 100.

Finally not working nights anymore so no excuses.

Back at boxing 3 times a week and weights/calisthenics 2 times a week + dietry limitations.
all the Pushups. All the burpies. All the squats.

Lets go!

Hit today's goal of benching 300x8 sans liftoff or spotter. I'm aiming for 300x10 since that translates roughly to 395-405 before I attempt a 1RM again.

Woo hooo!

For those of us who are not UberMensches, I got in a 6 mile bike ride, and three sets each of situps, pushups, curls and squats.

AND several reps with the paintbrush to finish up two Reaper Bones figures, and start the boss monster from Descent.

Not too shabby for the likes of me!

All in all, 2022 is starting off auspiciously!

So I didn't train overhead press (OHP) for about 5-6 years. Started in 2021 at around 180 for 1. Hit 230 yesterday for a 5 lb lifetime best (I did 225x1 about 6-7 years ago) and a 50lb improvement over the course of around 9-10 months of actually working that specific movement. Muscle memory is incredible.

Nice. My strict ohp has plateau'd at about 70kg(155lb). I'm hoping doing the log press might help bump it up a bit.

I haven't done a 1rm squat since last may before I got my knee tendon injury. loaded up today and added 10kg to my previous 1rm to get to 150kg (330lb) it went up fairly easily too, so whilst I then tried and failed 160kg, I think I could probably manage that without the previous attempt sapping a lot of my strength in future.

 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Nice. My strict ohp has plateau'd at about 70kg(155lb). I'm hoping doing the log press might help bump it up a bit.

I haven't done a 1rm squat since last may before I got my knee tendon injury. loaded up today and added 10kg to my previous 1rm to get to 150kg (330lb) it went up fairly easily too, so whilst I then tried and failed 160kg, I think I could probably manage that without the previous attempt sapping a lot of my strength in future.

330 is solid especially when it's big comeback PR. A 20KG PR in one day would've been insane. Nice work! I think I've said it before, but I swear by training high(ish) volume in the 60-80% rep range. Aside from the recent OHP AMRAP sets at 185 all of my OHP training has been between 115-150lbs. I eventually worked up to 135 for 12 sets of 10 a few weeks before I tried to PR.

Used to be very fit in my 20's, life happened and I seem to have put a bit of extra weight on. I've worked physically demanding jobs. Which means my strength is still there, which I know from the work I do.

However my cardio is (for me at least) pathetic. So got myself a Cross Trainer, plan is to do 30 minutes on a high setting (level 8 so far burns around 310 calories) every week night for a few weeks, then increase either the duration or setting as I find it easier. Plan is to basically shed the extra weight, will be happy of I can get down to 15 stone, which is still above the average for my height, but seeing as I am a big bloke I think my frame wouldn't suit average weight.

My advice is to join a martial arts gym of some sort. Taekwando is good.

Ju Jitsu is a popular choice but better be prepared for some youthful wrestling and all the repercussions to your body that comes with it.

I spend 10 years in the army and have been out for almost 10 now, I work mostly out side, work around the homestead as I am more or less retired. I'm looking for some kind of total body work out with maybe resistance bans and dumbbells'. My back and knees are not in the best condition these days. I feel like i am watching my legs shrink away and it's hugely counter productive for me when I have aa large work project to undertake.
I'd be open to recommendations, stuff to read, videos to watch. The only fitness channel I follow is Athlean-X, I just haven't been able to go back through his catalog of videos recently. Youtube is not working properly for me, for a month now. But I'd be open to considering any books, articles or workout plans anyone would feel like sharing. I have a fair amount of fitness knowledge but most of it I can't use now because of my current conditions. Army PT isn't exactly going to work for me at this point.
I guess I should also mention that as far as working out goes I am more or less just doing a variety of dumbbell presses and only in the 50Lbs range because I don't own more plates.

Any way, thank you in advance for any recommendations. Failing that I'll take all the motivation you have to spare.

Athlean-X is one step removed from being a complete charlatan and US Army PT was a complete joke, it might still be.

As far as fitness "influencers" go, someone like Greg Nuckols or Stan Efferding can provide far more useful information even if your goal is more related to general health than pure strength. The Knees Over Toe Guy might be worth looking into as well, but he comes across as being a bit "snake-oily" to me.

The US Army and the rest of the military in general are utilizing horribly outdated one size fits all standards and practices, which works for people that have naturally good recovery, but ends up crippling many. I don't know if the military handles any form of fitness development, be it speed, cardio, strength, in an intelligent manner. I understand that they can't really afford to do so due to time and personnel constraints. My point is more that individuals should not look to any form of US Military PT as being a good idea ever. Do it when you're forced to, but it's not a good program for maintaining or improving health outside of the fact that it is literally better than nothing.

 warhead01 wrote:
I spend 10 years in the army and have been out for almost 10 now, I work mostly out side, work around the homestead as I am more or less retired. I'm looking for some kind of total body work out with maybe resistance bans and dumbbells'. My back and knees are not in the best condition these days. I feel like i am watching my legs shrink away and it's hugely counter productive for me when I have aa large work project to undertake.
I'd be open to recommendations, stuff to read, videos to watch. The only fitness channel I follow is Athlean-X, I just haven't been able to go back through his catalog of videos recently. Youtube is not working properly for me, for a month now. But I'd be open to considering any books, articles or workout plans anyone would feel like sharing. I have a fair amount of fitness knowledge but most of it I can't use now because of my current conditions. Army PT isn't exactly going to work for me at this point.
I guess I should also mention that as far as working out goes I am more or less just doing a variety of dumbbell presses and only in the 50Lbs range because I don't own more plates.

Any way, thank you in advance for any recommendations. Failing that I'll take all the motivation you have to spare.

Let's be real. . . army PT was hot garbage.

Took a quick gander on google, and saw a couple reviews of P90x (something we did when I was in the army as well), which seems like it could be up your alley in terms of equipment used/needed. https://soreyfitness.com/beachbody-2/p90x-review/ the link also suggests as an intro/beginner thing to do the OG P90 stuff before moving into P90x, especially if you're a beginner or terribly out of shape.

Personally, I took up cycling again, as my workplace (automotive parts) gives me just enough upper body work that I don't necessarily feel the need/desire to go out and do specific lifts.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:
I spend 10 years in the army and have been out for almost 10 now, I work mostly out side, work around the homestead as I am more or less retired. I'm looking for some kind of total body work out with maybe resistance bans and dumbbells'. My back and knees are not in the best condition these days. I feel like i am watching my legs shrink away and it's hugely counter productive for me when I have aa large work project to undertake.
I'd be open to recommendations, stuff to read, videos to watch. The only fitness channel I follow is Athlean-X, I just haven't been able to go back through his catalog of videos recently. Youtube is not working properly for me, for a month now. But I'd be open to considering any books, articles or workout plans anyone would feel like sharing. I have a fair amount of fitness knowledge but most of it I can't use now because of my current conditions. Army PT isn't exactly going to work for me at this point.
I guess I should also mention that as far as working out goes I am more or less just doing a variety of dumbbell presses and only in the 50Lbs range because I don't own more plates.

Any way, thank you in advance for any recommendations. Failing that I'll take all the motivation you have to spare.

Let's be real. . . army PT was hot garbage.

Took a quick gander on google, and saw a couple reviews of P90x (something we did when I was in the army as well), which seems like it could be up your alley in terms of equipment used/needed. https://soreyfitness.com/beachbody-2/p90x-review/ the link also suggests as an intro/beginner thing to do the OG P90 stuff before moving into P90x, especially if you're a beginner or terribly out of shape.

Personally, I took up cycling again, as my workplace (automotive parts) gives me just enough upper body work that I don't necessarily feel the need/desire to go out and do specific lifts.

I can't argue, it's mostly true.
I was thinking more of the cardio stuff, not the running. I've made reasonable full body PT plans while I was in, just not able to do all that stuff anymore.
I miss being in my 20's an indestructible.

Thank you for the link, I'll have a look.