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I find that this is a no problem. And most of the "but the other side!" is unwarranted.

The ammount of times something like this happens with "extreme left wing groups" (Those of course exists, violence and extremism isn't part of any given ideology) is nearly non existant.

Is always the neonazis making a fuss to give themselves attention.

A guy having a Che Guevera t-shirt could ask for a removal of that shirt but if I see someone wearing that in the street I won't make the association of "that guy is an extremist" like I would do if I see someone wearing neonazi symbology because the reason one person wears one of those symbols is very different from the reason most people wear a Che Guevera t-shirt.

And thats just how the world works. I know on the internet we all want to give our arguments more weight but on the street things are very much different.

Andykp wrote:

The difference being, GW has nothing to apologise for.

As I said in the other thread- I feel the do (or at the very least have some kind of duty of responsibility as it were). Think of it like this, just like all computer games are Nintendo and all pro wrestling is WWE etc. to confused people around the globe all toy soldiers is Warhammer/GW. You and I know the difference but your average mum walking into a GW doesn't. If this story eventually finds its way onto mainstream media, GW are cutting it off at the pass and washing their hands of it before they can deal with complaints from various parents of something they actually had nothing to do with. We are right in the run up to Christmas now probably with loads and loads of kids wanting things from GW and a hysterical parent boycott because the Daily Mail or someone published an article titled "Nazis at a Warhammer tournament!" is the last thing they need.

It cost nothing for them to do it and I applaud them for it (for once!).

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
I'm fine with BLM, antifa, etc but if banning all political symbols is what it takes to get rid of the Nazis then I'm all for it.

I'm sure political symbols themselves will be find (like MAGA hats/shirts) but hopefully in additional to Nazis we can get rid of other extremely dumb hate stuff like depictions of donkeys hunting/killing elephants, TERF/anti-trans slogans, etc.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Andykp wrote:

The difference being, GW has nothing to apologise for.

As I said in the other thread- I feel the do (or at the very least have some kind of duty of responsibility as it were). Think of it like this, just like all computer games are Nintendo and all pro wrestling is WWE etc. to confused people around the globe all toy soldiers is Warhammer/GW. You and I know the difference but your average mum walking into a GW doesn't. If this story eventually finds its way onto mainstream media, GW are cutting it off at the pass and washing their hands of it before they can deal with complaints from various parents of something they actually had nothing to do with. We are right in the run up to Christmas now probably with loads and loads of kids wanting things from GW and a hysterical parent boycott because the Daily Mail or someone published an article titled "Nazis at a Warhammer tournament!" is the last thing they need.

It cost nothing for them to do it and I applaud them for it (for once!).

If somebody doesn't know anything about GW, the fact that GW said 'Nazi bad' one time won't even register if there's a media hysteria over the epidemic of neo-Nazis holding rallies in GW stores or whatever.

GW, again, wants it both ways - they want to sell the apparently marketable dantasy of the edgy, genocidal Imperium being justified in its atrocities, but they don't want any of the smoke of what that actually implies.

It's not an accident that neo-nazis get the warm fuzzies from the 40k setting, at least in its modern incarnation where the Imperium is played as unironic heroes.

Hecaton wrote:
GW, again, wants it both ways - they want to sell the apparently marketable dantasy of the edgy, genocidal Imperium being justified in its atrocities, but they don't want any of the smoke of what that actually implies.

It's not an accident that neo-nazis get the warm fuzzies from the 40k setting, at least in its modern incarnation where the Imperium is played as unironic heroes.

I mean there are thousands of films, games, books and such that all depict horrible things within their settings and yet the authors/creators would never want to actually support those things in reality. Or are you about to say that we should ban every single world war film, game and book?

 Overread wrote:

I mean there are thousands of films, games, books and such that all depict horrible things within their settings and yet the authors/creators would never want to actually support those things in reality. Or are you about to say that we should ban every single world war film, game and book?

People not being able to separate reality from fiction is a huge issue that makes these discussions rather frustrating to deal with.

 BertBert wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I mean there are thousands of films, games, books and such that all depict horrible things within their settings and yet the authors/creators would never want to actually support those things in reality. Or are you about to say that we should ban every single world war film, game and book?

People not being able to separate reality from fiction is a huge issue that makes these discussions rather frustrating to deal with.

Honestly I think a majority of it is wilful on the part of prolonging the discussion/argument/to win points/troll/for fun/whatever. That or there are a LOT of people here who also have problems working out if Spider Baby's are real*







*this will only make sense to Father Ted fans ;P

 Overread wrote:


Honestly I think a majority of it is wilful on the part of prolonging the discussion/argument/to win points/troll/for fun/whatever.

Oh, absolutely. It's also used to try and leverage creators into changing their IP in a way that caters to one's own sensibilities.

This thread is done as it is not going anywhere constructive.