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SamusDrake wrote:

Slightly off topic but are there any Warhammer books similar to the Fighting Fantasy series?

Jonathan Green (prolific FF author) , did do a couple a few years back. I have not read them, and can't speak to their quality:

Hive of the Dead, Beneath the City of the White Wolf and Herald of Oblivion.

SamusDrake wrote:
Radukar might be a case of reusing the Vargskyr from the core box, so long as the two characters aren't taking part in the same mission.

No idea how to get around the giant bats though.

You buy a pack of bats from Reaper etc?
Hell, you can buy several for the price of GW bats....

 Shakalooloo wrote:


Jonathan Green (prolific FF author) , did do a couple a few years back. I have not read them, and can't speak to their quality:

Hive of the Dead, Beneath the City of the White Wolf and Herald of Oblivion.

Just realised that I may have asked this years ago but completely forgotten about them. Cheers!






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ccs wrote:


You buy a pack of bats from Reaper etc?
Hell, you can buy several for the price of GW bats....

Not bad although I think they might fall a bit on the small side for many players.

Personally I'd papercraft them!

Come October it should be pretty easy to find cheap plastic bats from all the Halloween tat that fills the shops. Obviously they won't be as cool as the fell bats but with a bit of effort it should be possible to spruce them up a bit.

I do wonder if GW will do a decent discount bundle for both the expansion and the minis at release. That’s not something they’d announce in advance.

Up for pre-order on Saturday, for now the third time, is Cursed City along with the accompanying Black Library book, and it's first expansion Night Wars...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/25/sunday-preview-amazons-on-the-pitch-and-a-return-to-the-cursed-city/

I wish they'd give us a better look at this no-miniature expansion.

And that we'd get some idea of the cost.

They'll probably do that this week. The cost will be interesting to know...

I'm waiting to see the cost, I want to buy the expansion but this is a huge deal for the line going forward IMO

Don’t think I’d want to be spending much more than £20 to be honest.

Yeah, understanding how crazy GW is going to go with CC expansions will be good to know.

Initial price reports are likely to be today or tomorrow, AFAIK.

£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

Bloody hell.

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

Paper products can be expensive, but this seems a bit much. Like can get entire board games for that.

Cheers, DaveC.

With Heroquest expansions only costing between £25 to £38 with models, Cursed City is a hard pass.

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

Wow, this is a joke.
1 punchboard, 1 booklet, 6 big cards and maybe 30 small cards.
WTF

Even at a 25% discount it’s probably a pass. Will see how my weirdo completist side holds out.

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

...right. That's a big ol' nope.

"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"

So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know

 Albertorius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

...right. That's a big ol' nope.

"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"

So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know

And that's the huge problem. CC works because the models inside are discounted from GW's standard prices.
Same for all the other Quest boxed sets.

Trying to sell it all retail split up prices is nuts because it means that the expansion with half a dozen hero models only and card stock ends up costing MORE than the core set which comes with perhaps four times the content.

If GW don't do any bundle sale this first expansion will only be bought by people who currently play soulblight armies and thus already have or will eventually get the hero models anyway.

Of course if everyone who plays CC went out and got a soulblight army anyway it "might" work out ok; but I just get a feeling this first expansion is going to fall flat on its face. Possibly might happen with the second expansion too since we did have that father and daughter tag team get released and they are clearly expansion material as well.

The (very little) cardboard that's in the actual expansion is also heavily overprized as it is.

So this is the bit where we pretend we don't understand the products we've been buying for decades?

I thought it would cost more, to be honest.

 Overread wrote:

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 Albertorius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

...right. That's a big ol' nope.

"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"

So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know

And that's the huge problem. CC works because the models inside are discounted from GW's standard prices.
Same for all the other Quest boxed sets.

Trying to sell it all retail split up prices is nuts because it means that the expansion with half a dozen hero models only and card stock ends up costing MORE than the core set which comes with perhaps four times the content.

If GW don't do any bundle sale this first expansion will only be bought by people who currently play soulblight armies and thus already have or will eventually get the hero models anyway.

Of course if everyone who plays CC went out and got a soulblight army anyway it "might" work out ok; but I just get a feeling this first expansion is going to fall flat on its face. Possibly might happen with the second expansion too since we did have that father and daughter tag team get released and they are clearly expansion material as well.

I'd be worried about the opposite of the underlined part. If there are enough Soulblight players, or people who would use other stand ins for the models, who figure they already have the expensive part of the expansion and decide to bite the bullet and get the paper part, it might prop up the expansion and give GW the wrong idea about what people think of the absence of models, and the price for that matter.

Personally I don't see why you would want a pure game from GW. The good part about their games are the models. Take those away and there isn't anything left to justify GW prices. So I certainly hope they won't get the impression that Warhammer Quest expansions without models are something they can get away with.

Ouch! I didn't mind it not coming with the minis since I already had them, but that's a bit pricey.

If I played the game more I might still have picked it up, but as it is, I think it's a no.

Hopefully the bean-counters have tempered their sales expectations. Would hate for them to get the wrong idea when this sells as poorly as I think it will.

It must be said that people said the same about the Blackstone Fortress expansions and now the aftermarket costs for them are truly insane.

Buying a few of these and sticking them in the loft is probably a safer investment than holding GBP right now...

 Albertorius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

...right. That's a big ol' nope.

"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"

So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know

Well, you're assuming you only need one box of fell bats.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
£30 €40 $50 for Night Wars

...right. That's a big ol' nope.

"You can further expand your games by picking up the miniatures Radukar the Beast, Fell Bats, Vampire Lord, Lady Annika the Thirsting Blade, and Kritza the Rat Prince separately"

So, the actual, real price of this expansion is... 203 euros, then? Good to know

Well, you're assuming you only need one box of fell bats.

Oh, I noticed, yes ^^. It was getting depressing enough.

But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones. The main gripe here is paying 40 bucks for a cardboard punch sheet and like 30 cards.

 Albertorius wrote:


But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.

That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.

Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.

And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.

All things considered, I reckon I'll be resuming slogging through painting my original Hero Quest box...

 (HN) wrote:

 Overread wrote:
So there's a huge amount of variation on offer. Heck I suspect some of the characters we saw (father and daughter witch hunters) are likely expansions for the good side in the game .

Honestly, both Warcry and Kill Team should just be free, and not even have a specific mini line. It should be a way to play skirmish AoS/40k with your armies rather than a weird tumor that grow on the back of thos games and drain some of the resources that they really need (just compare the number of kits Warcry got compared to AoS, especially the 1st ed army, and you realize something silly is going on here.

I don't know about that, KT and BSF brought back some awesome redesigned minis and some never before seen minis that only existed previously in art and background text. I dont own Cursed City, though id like to, and I think this new supplement is a nice addition. I dont know the price but it lets you change things up a bit from what ive seen. Back when the original WHQ was around we had Lair of the Orc Lord, Catacombs of terror and the like as well as some White dwarf scenarios. In the 90's the release schedule was much slower however. Nowadays there is so much choice for everyone which is revealed so quickly its hard to keep up

deano2099 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:


But anyways, it's not like it would be too hard to substitute any of those minis for generic ones.

That still leaves it in a weird no-mans-land of appeal though. GW games aren't good enough to pick over any other board game, with the exception that the models are great, lots of fun to paint, and look amazing on the table. The only thing Cursed City has going for it over, for example, Descent, is that it looks amazing. Because of the GW models.

Yes I guess I could use my Descent models to play this but at that point... well, why not just play Descent? It's better.

And then the other reason people buy GW board games is because they want the models anyway, and the game is a bonus (or not even that, just thrown away) in which case, again, no appeal to those folks with this game.

Cursed City is actually quite fun to play. I think because the majority of board game releases in the past have simply been mostly bundles to get models, people tend to want to write it off. But it's got a lot of depth and fun to it, especially if you treat it like a campaign and run with the same group of folks.