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So we got our grotmas detachment and WOW is it disappointing. Not because the detachment is sub-par, which it is, but this detachment encourages the same builds you would use in the other detachment, with focus on lots of magical shooting. And with the needing to control the whole zones of magic you think the boosted versions of the strats would be better. The SoT can't charge and only get 6" in the zone of magic? Many armies have 3" deep strike with no control requirement, and daemons can do this in the same way, but are able to charge, and with much better melee units. I don't get why anyone thought SoT charging from 6" in your zone of magic would be broken, and it would give a good reason to actually bring them, you know instead of spamming flamers. I know people were like "oh no it is going to be Tzanngors" but quite frankly I would have loved a Tzgor detachment, just to play a list that is not exactly like 99% of all lists that are played with TS, and I try not to use Magnus as he is too great in casual games. I was excited to break out the TS for a bit as opposed to my CSM, but now I am not going to bother as this detachment is just more of the same, only weaker.

Hilariously, Magnus works best in that detachment NOT in the zone of control since he natively has +1 to wound with his [PSYCHIC] weapons - which is all of them.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Hilariously, Magnus works best in that detachment NOT in the zone of control since he natively has +1 to wound with his [PSYCHIC] weapons - which is all of them.

Lol yea I know it is weird. Also after seeing the Admech detachment, that rule really could not have been in the zone 1's to rerolll and +1 wound? I mean the zone thing I think is more challenging than it looks on paper, especially against some armies. Also rubrics get re-roll 1's already, and Ahriman is +1 to wound already, but for everything.

Personally I think there are going to be major design changes in the codex and this reflects that. It is quite possible that Rubrics lose the re-rolls, and Magnus loses the +1 to wound, which is actually a pretty ridiculous rule to have. I also think the cult of magic will be heavily re-worked, and/or just removed for something else, maybe something that focuses on the rituals more (like characters generate and extra cabal point or something).

I really hope the Codex has a "hypercrypt" style detachment to represent the old duplicity style of play, and I am actually hoping daemons get rolled into the codex. Also Rubrics need two data sheets, one for the flamers, and one for the bolters as the flamers are just so much better and the points are way to high for the bolters.

Also, psyker dreadnought.....been wanting that since 7th edition.

::edit:: Seems like the Grey knights have the same 6" deep strike ability, but can charge. In fact their whole new detachment looks like just a straight better version of ours. The rule affects all attacks (not just psychic attacks), they have a unit that has the aura innately (purifiers), and their strats seem better. Hopefully the codex is better.

No posts in here for 8 months

But we're next!

Looks like Knights/Chaos Knights have been postponed.

And it is basically confirmed daemons will be on the book which I love. I want lord of change generating canals.

I want Battle Automata.

 BorderCountess wrote:
I want Battle Automata.

Dark and Spiky or Original Recipie?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:
I want Battle Automata.

Dark and Spiky or Original Recipie?

I can't wait to see the Automata. Probably all we are getting but one can hope for a psyker dreadnought.

I'm not entirely sure if the meme of Magic Knights is all that bad any more, just for something entirely different to do. Yes, it'd probably be better in Cult than Hex, but it does almost exactly the same thing. I'd love to work out a way that a foot-DP can help out, but you kinda need the movement from the flying (but an occasional extra -1 is good alongside Forgefiends). Anyway, just for a laugh, this is this MFM's Magic Knights list (with very little actual magic):



If you know how to run Chaos Knights, this will be easy. If you don't, this still will be easier, in some ways. Anyway, it should be fun, just for something completely different. Fast to play on model movement (or removent) in any case 😊

As always with my builds, there is plenty of room to move on it. Drop a Forgefiend, add a Predator tank, or Maulerfiend (free heroic intervention is awesome, but so is big guns never tire), or even another wardog. Or some cultists/ or tzaangor. You could drop the flying DP enhancements to squeeze in other stuff too (more crappy snipers/OC, whatever). Or drop them entirely for 2x 20 Tzaangor with Shamans, or more Rubrics, but it wouldn't really be a wardog-equivalent list then, it'd just be a worse TSons list. You probably could squeeze Ahriman in there if you wanted some actual magic, but again, it sort of defeats the point (even though it would be more effective). But dropping the second flying DP does look pretty tempting, and gives you enough points to add "anything".

Not the best list, but certainly an ok'ish one to run. Somewhere between CK-wardog and monster-mash, but with actually good profiles and a bit of infantry. Not every tool in the box, but not bad either. It has a flat "can do stuff against stuff" with all that varying firepower and melee profiles. As well as enough cool random stuff to potentially do, so it doesn't just feel like stat-blocks without any magic'yness to it. And in some ways, is an anti-TSons list, even while being a TSons list. We all know what happens to our own army when units equal -3 by the end of turn 2, and this list can tear chunks out of armies. It's actually nice to have this many unit activations that don't really rely on cabal points, to get the job done. 15 fairly powerful activations per turn is fine, with 10 of them being wardog-equivalent, so it doesn't leave you stranded. MSU, but what did you expect out of a pseudo-wardog list? They have good rules, without too many points taxes.
Stat-check list, but considering the beginning of 10th to now, it's still nice to be able to say "F* the elves, the Guard/Orks, the Marines, and hopefully the Necrons too". They often don't have the stuff they'll need to kill you in a certain section of the battlefield, or the movement, or you've got the exact right thing to engage them/ remove those abilities from them.

It's good to do different things. And "no Ahriman, no Magnus!" isn't exactly a heretical statement on our list, no matter how good they are.

((Edit for the new MFM. Guess what? They point nerfed MVBs! Again. Hurrah??!! So, yes, you have -15pts on this list, because GW are arseholes that don't have a clue. I'd probably keep Noctilith because it's 100% +1 to-wound (which is apparently what this detachment was meant to do sometimes), rather than +1S/20pts. And with 10pts left over, you could even sub out our beloved scouting Cultists into not-so-beloved Tzaangor, because 20OC is more than 10. Little options. I'd probably keep the screening Cultists, but it kinda does f*-over some stuff with "3 left, still more than a 5x 1oc squad. You do you))

Well, we're up soon, after the purple bois, the angry-bois, and the farty-bois. What are you looking at gaining from the list?

Like, we've got slightly eldari-looking robot'y things, confirmed. (God I hope they're as broken as epic eldar stuff was. That's all I could think when I saw them. "That's a tiny Revenant Titan! That will be awesome!").

But what do our dusty-bois want?

sambojin wrote:
But what do our dusty-bois want?

Stuff we're obviously not goin g to get, like cool-looking robots or psychic dreadnoughts. In fact, we're going to probably lose more than we gain (RIP cultists) and I'll bet their demon detachment sucks.

Well, I'm holding out judgement on that until we get some concrete information going.

I have high hopes for our codex and that GW is aware of player feedback that our faction is a one-trick pony. I hope they diversify our portfolio by changing the entire army rule around.

DaPino wrote:
I have high hopes for our codex and that GW is aware of player feedback that our faction is a one-trick pony.

::side-eyes the World Eaters::

I know Tzeentch is supposed to be the embodiment of hope, but sometimes even I have to temper my expectations.

 BorderCountess wrote:

DaPino wrote:
I have high hopes for our codex and that GW is aware of player feedback that our faction is a one-trick pony.

::side-eyes the World Eaters::

I know Tzeentch is supposed to be the embodiment of hope, but sometimes even I have to temper my expectations.

::Looks around nervously before poking the beehive::

Ahem.

I remember a 40k book, that no one reads anymore, had a quote, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

I mean you did get robots. More like UR-025 Imperial Robots than Psychic Dreadnoughts, but still... Robots.

To ignore my own dumb quote, they could have really cool rules... and TBH I'm kinda jealous of you getting new toys.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

DaPino wrote:
I have high hopes for our codex and that GW is aware of player feedback that our faction is a one-trick pony.

::side-eyes the World Eaters::

I know Tzeentch is supposed to be the embodiment of hope, but sometimes even I have to temper my expectations.

::Looks around nervously before poking the beehive::

Ahem.

I remember a 40k book, that no one reads anymore, had a quote, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

I mean you did get robots. More like UR-025 Imperial Robots than Psychic Dreadnoughts, but still... Robots.

To ignore my own dumb quote, they could have really cool rules... and TBH I'm kinda jealous of you getting new toys.

New toys for which I'm strongly considering proxies because they look terrible. I'm just hoping this doesn't make me revisit the thread about using models that I hate because they're too good not to.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

DaPino wrote:
I have high hopes for our codex and that GW is aware of player feedback that our faction is a one-trick pony.

::side-eyes the World Eaters::

I know Tzeentch is supposed to be the embodiment of hope, but sometimes even I have to temper my expectations.

::Looks around nervously before poking the beehive::

Ahem.

I remember a 40k book, that no one reads anymore, had a quote, "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment."

I mean you did get robots. More like UR-025 Imperial Robots than Psychic Dreadnoughts, but still... Robots.

To ignore my own dumb quote, they could have really cool rules... and TBH I'm kinda jealous of you getting new toys.

New toys for which I'm strongly considering proxies because they look terrible. I'm just hoping this doesn't make me revisit the thread about using models that I hate because they're too good not to.

Noble Knight has a bunch of UR-025s (from the Blackstone Fortress game) for sale.

They might be good proxies.

Honestly looking at it, I think I'm just going to use my Osiron dreads for them. They're a bit larger but no one in my local community will care; I checked with them of course.

A bit? The Osiron is on a 60mm base, while these things are apparently on 40mm...

I'm at a loss for what you can use as a proxy. I checked etsy and other sites... so far, nothing.

I do think the old plastic chaos Dreadnoughts (RT era) might work... I think they can fit on a 40mm base.