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Alpharius wrote:Maybe if we let them know that Andrew will be out of touch for the next 5 to 10 days?

I'm actually surprised it is moving as quickly as it is!

That's low .

And I'm using someone elses machine here at the moment. Take pity, I'm about to move across half the planet to a place where internet access costs £120 per month on an account that has a download limit! So play nice.

I just thought that there was a status conference due either this or last week, thats all.

Cheers

Andrew

Dude, you're moving to the WRONG HALF!

Eric

AndrewC wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Maybe if we let them know that Andrew will be out of touch for the next 5 to 10 days?

I'm actually surprised it is moving as quickly as it is!

That's low .

And I'm using someone elses machine here at the moment. Take pity, I'm about to move across half the planet to a place where internet access costs £120 per month on an account that has a download limit! So play nice.

I just thought that there was a status conference due either this or last week, thats all.

Cheers

Andrew

No worries - I was only having a little fun at your expense.

Had I known that "your expense" was expensive as that, well...

OK, I still would have done it, only I might have felt a little worse in doing so!

OK, probably not!

OT, I'm sure that weeble or biccat will update us as soon as there's anything to update!

AndrewC wrote:
And I'm using someone elses machine here at the moment. Take pity, I'm about to move across half the planet to a place where internet access costs £120 per month on an account that has a download limit! So play nice.

Ouch, welcome to Comcast land??

GARRRR!!!!

I waltzed in to here expecting to find updates, thinking it's been a month, only to discover time has actually progressed far more slowly than I thought it had (only two weeks since my last visit).... DAMN YOU RELATIVITY!!! damn youuuuuuu!!!!

Actually there seems to be some development, but none of the legal dudes has posted them:

Scammel wrote:Just noticed today (4th August) that there's been a string of new court documents since the last status hearing, but I can't access them - anybody know anything?
*Cranks up the Weeblesignal*

Most other gaming companies don't do that. Sure, Wizards of the Coast is not any better, but if you start looking into other gaming companies you'll find that Wyrd Miniatures, Privateer Press, Mantic Games, Corvus Belli, Reaper, Dark Age, Crocodile Games and others aren't seen that way. And for good reason.

Yet, GW is larger, and its games are played in more places across the world.

Yet! GW has the same total revenue than 10 years ago, so sells maybe a third less prducts considering price increases.
Privateer still grows as fast as they can expand production (demand still dramatically greater than supply), being 2nd and 4th place in USA (1st 40k, 3rd ! Warhammer Fantasy, 5th Wyrd!).

Here is a small update:

The judge in the case granted all motions to compel. This probably works somewhat to CHS's favor, but we'll have to see how this proceeds with discovery. The case will now move into the discovery phase, which means there might be some dry spells going on for a while, as the parties essentially re-group and re-arm. (I'm still interested in seeing who the parties will claim are "experts," if any; as well as who might get deposed.)

If I can get some free time, I'll pop over to PACER and see if there is anything particularly interesting to report.

"All motions to compel."
What does that mean, specifically? Does it mean that some of the demands that GW made ("Tell us what products you infringed on, so we can tell you what products you infringed on!") were granted?

Eric

I'm pretty sure that just the motion to move to the next phase.

It appears that at the status conference the judge ordered GW to produce certain items, some of which they have produced, and some they have not.

Basically, I think what this all means is that GW is going to have to specifically identify (at some point) what works it feels are infringed, and it cannot rely on the "its our universe and we own eveything in it" argument. CHS, on the other hand, must identify what works of GW's it had access to in producing its various figure lines. (I want to say that somewhere in there, CHS conceded it had access to everything, or close to it...but I could be wrong...)

(Take this with a grain of salt, as I did not have more than 15 minutes to skim over about 20 documents, so I kind of just hit the high points.)

Hi Honey, I'm home...

Eldanar any more info?

Cheers

Andrew

The only other item of interest as that both sides agreed to label certain discoverable items as sensisitive, and have them withheld or redacted from the public record.

Eldanar wrote:The only other item of interest as that both sides agreed to label certain discoverable items as sensisitive, and have them withheld or redacted from the public record.

Most probable to be costs and technical details on how the models are manufactured from design to production.

been 2 weeks... any updates?

hahahaha, two weeks man, things move at a glacial rate in the courts ( GW v CH seems to be going pretty flipping fast though)

I'd say give it two months for any real updates.

Dam the last time I looked in on this CHS was saying that the motion to compel for what they used of GW in their products. . July I think that was. . .

Eldanar wrote:Basically, I think what this all means is that GW is going to have to specifically identify (at some point) what works it feels are infringed, and it cannot rely on the "its our universe and we own eveything in it" argument. CHS, on the other hand, must identify what works of GW's it had access to in producing its various figure lines. (I want to say that somewhere in there, CHS conceded it had access to everything, or close to it...but I could be wrong...)

Surely it's meaningless for CH to admit they had access to 'everything', GW sell their stuff in shops and there are pictures all over the internet. What does 'access' actually mean in this context?

Pretty much everyone who has some fantasy miniatures has some GW somewhere.

It is all posturing. I doubt either side thinks it is going to get any serious answers out of any of this procedural junk. In effect, this is a means for the two sides to look to the court to determine what the rules are going to be going forward. Obviously, each side wants those rules to favor them, and so they come up with what they perceive as one-sided requests, hoping the judge might go along with them.

In the absence of any serious news I will add this gem; There's only one way to solve this issue - FIGHT!

notprop wrote:In the absence of any serious news I will add this gem; There's only one way to solve this issue - FIGHT!

To the death?

"Two men enter, one man leaves!" (guess who is Blaster )

Guess who is the big. hulking mad man with a mental handicap?

That's a tough one.

So is kirby the giant or the dwarf pulling the levers?

Not sure that CH is mel either? Bad example perhaps.

Please stay on topic here...

Any new developments on this case?

The good news about this thread is that as soon as there are new developments to discuss, they get posted quickly.

So, if there aren't any, then.... there aren't any!

You know what's really annoying? Seeing this thread bumped, and checking it to see what has happened, and finding it's just another person asking "so has anything happened?"

I won't be providing any updates about the lawsuit or expressing any opinion about it on public forums. There is plenty of publicly available information about the lawsuit. I suggest using a free firefox browser extension called RECAP (https://www.recapthelaw.org/)

This extension will automatically upload any documents that a logged in PACER user pays to access. These documents will then be available for free to any user of RECAP. You will find that all of the most recent documents on the docket have been uploaded to RECAP. Earlier documents may show up on RECAP at a later date. You never know.

So, if you want to see documents related to the case, get FireFox, download RECAP, set up a PACER user account, go to PACER Case Locator, search for Games Workshop and locate the Chapterhouse lawsuit (or simply search via the case number - 1:10-cv-08103). Click on the case number link, click on Docket Report on the next page, and RECAP will prompt you to download the most current version of the uploaded docket for free. Any uploaded documents will be available through this RECAP page. Please note that you will be charged 8 cents by PACER to perform the case search, but this should be covered by a PACER user's free quarterly usage.