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Yeah of course if it is not perfect why even bother?

the fact that they're going to discontinue transfers and etched brass, makes me feel happy I already bought some.

I was going to (@ a later date) build a bunch of drop troops but now i guess not.

mortar_crew wrote:
Well I just bought a bunch of Elysian stuff to complete what I needed, but it is a shame
to see them go this way. These figures are still some of the best FW ever produced
in my opinion.

But with the GW dumb move to just release rules for troops and options
that have actual models in sale, we may also see the drop-troop regiment
vanish altogether in the future...

Oh and promises of keeping them are of little value it seems.
I am looking at you FW: where are the missing datasheets
for the missing ork itemms we were promised
when the index came out?



I feel quite pissed right now.

A bunch of legacy stuff just got rules in the FAQ; can’t guarantee it’s everything, but seemed to be most things.

 Jadenim wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:
Well I just bought a bunch of Elysian stuff to complete what I needed, but it is a shame
to see them go this way. These figures are still some of the best FW ever produced
in my opinion.

But with the GW dumb move to just release rules for troops and options
that have actual models in sale, we may also see the drop-troop regiment
vanish altogether in the future...

Oh and promises of keeping them are of little value it seems.
I am looking at you FW: where are the missing datasheets
for the missing ork itemms we were promised
when the index came out?



I feel quite pissed right now.

A bunch of legacy stuff just got rules in the FAQ; can’t guarantee it’s everything, but seemed to be most things.

I may have missed something but I believe there is not even an Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos entry in the FAQ section yet
to address this issue. One still have to wait I guess.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And thus that's a reason not to do it?

Yes. If the end result is going to look like you put some child's stickers on your model (IOW, look like utter trash) then that's a reason not to do it. If I can't get professional-quality transfers for a design then I'd rather have a different design, or even nothing at all, than a home-printed mess.

 Peregrine wrote:
Yes. If the end result is going to look like you put some child's stickers on your model (IOW, look like utter trash) then that's a reason not to do it. If I can't get professional-quality transfers for a design then I'd rather have a different design, or even nothing at all, than a home-printed mess.

Again, you're assuming that no one can make their own transfers, and that the only transfers that will ever look good are the ones produced by FW. You're assuming that all home printed transfers will be awful as well.

It's a very strange assumption.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Yes. If the end result is going to look like you put some child's stickers on your model (IOW, look like utter trash) then that's a reason not to do it. If I can't get professional-quality transfers for a design then I'd rather have a different design, or even nothing at all, than a home-printed mess.

Again, you're assuming that no one can make their own transfers, and that the only transfers that will ever look good are the ones produced by FW. You're assuming that all home printed transfers will be awful as well.

It's a very strange assumption.

It's an accurate assumption when you're talking about duplicating a transfer sheet that requires white ink and the vast majority of people do not have access to a printer that can print with white ink.

mortar_crew wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:
Well I just bought a bunch of Elysian stuff to complete what I needed, but it is a shame
to see them go this way. These figures are still some of the best FW ever produced
in my opinion.

But with the GW dumb move to just release rules for troops and options
that have actual models in sale, we may also see the drop-troop regiment
vanish altogether in the future...

Oh and promises of keeping them are of little value it seems.
I am looking at you FW: where are the missing datasheets
for the missing ork itemms we were promised
when the index came out?



I feel quite pissed right now.

A bunch of legacy stuff just got rules in the FAQ; can’t guarantee it’s everything, but seemed to be most things.

I may have missed something but I believe there is not even an Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos entry in the FAQ section yet
to address this issue. One still have to wait I guess.

That's really really the problem with all these "I believe" and "I don't think so" people on this planet. There IS an IA Xenos FAQ and it has rules for the Grot Bomm Launcha, Attack Fighta, Fighta Bommer, Deathrolla Battle Fortress and Kill Kruscha. They have been up there since the 16th. Yes they don't have any matched points costs, but you can extrapolate them using their power level. And I'm not going to link you to it, use your "blaming without thinking first" energy for it. And you might want to remember that the IA stuff only is published in english and so usually will not have a localized FAQ either.

Guys, stay polite and on topic, please.

GiToRaZor wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:

mortar_crew wrote:
Well I just bought a bunch of Elysian stuff to complete what I needed, but it is a shame
to see them go this way. These figures are still some of the best FW ever produced
in my opinion.

But with the GW dumb move to just release rules for troops and options
that have actual models in sale, we may also see the drop-troop regiment
vanish altogether in the future...

Oh and promises of keeping them are of little value it seems.
I am looking at you FW: where are the missing datasheets
for the missing ork itemms we were promised
when the index came out?



I feel quite pissed right now.

A bunch of legacy stuff just got rules in the FAQ; can’t guarantee it’s everything, but seemed to be most things.

I may have missed something but I believe there is not even an Imperial Armour – Index: Xenos entry in the FAQ section yet
to address this issue. One still have to wait I guess.

That's really really the problem with all these "I believe" and "I don't think so" people on this planet. There IS an IA Xenos FAQ and it has rules for the Grot Bomm Launcha, Attack Fighta, Fighta Bommer, Deathrolla Battle Fortress and Kill Kruscha. They have been up there since the 16th. Yes they don't have any matched points costs, but you can extrapolate them using their power level. And I'm not going to link you to it, use your "blaming without thinking first" energy for it. And you might want to remember that the IA stuff only is published in english and so usually will not have a localized FAQ either.

I feel the answer is a bit rude here, but anyway, I was plain wrong on this one: there is an entry.
Stupid me.

Thanks for the input.


No looted wagon or gunwagon yet, but still...

Sad that they're discontinuing the Elysians. I love the models, they're still some of the best stuff FW has ever done. Wish this meant they were being released in plastic, but I assume not.

Up on the community site today:

A painted version of the House Orlock Hired gun and his dog.

 Peregrine wrote:

It's an accurate assumption when you're talking about duplicating a transfer sheet that requires white ink and the vast majority of people do not have access to a printer that can print with white ink.

You CAN get white backed transfer sheets, but they're tricky to work with and if you were to argue that they're not the same, I would entirely agree.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Apparently there are aftermarket companies that sell white toner cartridges:

https://www.ghost-white-toner.com/printer_category/clp-415n/?lang=en

That's for my printer even. At that price though, I think I'd be reluctant to just try it for funsies. If someone wants to buy me one, I'd print and ship you whatever transfers you wanted for free.

Eeeew. I just read up on how to use it. It replaces the black cart and requires multiple print passes for anything not 100% CMY, which would require some moderate photoshop work to slice up the transfer image. That's a lot of effort for a transfer sheet.

If we could take any further discussion regarding the printing of your own decals to a thread of its own and stick to Forge World news and rumours here, that'd be great.

 scottmmmm wrote:
Up on the community site today:

A painted version of the House Orlock Hired gun and his dog.

Another model murdered by that painter...sad.

TBF I think there's a lot to like about the dog, both sculpt and paint job wise.

Orlock is more meh for me, but then the Orlock aesthetic has never really been in my wheelhouse.

He's perhaps a bit plain, but he fits in perfectly with the rest of the gangers.

The dog looks excellent though I can't help but feel that it is a bit out of place as it looks to me, ignoring the bionics and scars, a bit too healthy a beast to be kept in the underhive.

 BrookM wrote:
He's perhaps a bit plain, but he fits in perfectly with the rest of the gangers.

The dog looks excellent though I can't help but feel that it is a bit out of place as it looks to me, ignoring the bionics and scars, a bit too healthy a beast to be kept in the underhive.

Isn't this guy like the big cheese of big cheeses though? The leader of a coalition of gangs not just a mere gang leader. As such, I would expect him to have a fabulous amount of resources available in comparison to a typical gang, and getting a much nicer pet doggy than most gangers have access to would match this. This guy is kinda like a really successful mafia boss, who now has a bunch of other, lesser gangs doing the business end of his dealings, and he rarely has to get his hands dirty.

Same for his other equipment, and for the equipment of the Escher character too.


Hmm, reading the Warhammer Community post, he seems to just be a hired gun now. Hmm.

I really really like that dog. It's a great, real feeling sculpt.

Weird to see so many mourning the Elysians. The line is plagued with models stuck in absolutely terrible 'action' poses. The armor/weapon design was pretty cool though so it is sad to see the whole concept tossed out.

Not like they've truly gone away though. Recasters will no doubt pick up the slack.

hobojebus wrote:
Another model murdered by that painter...sad.

The painter's Giuseppe Chiafele and they're active on Facebook if you'd like to give them some tips.

Well he has stopped doing skin/flesh in nmm so that's a start I guess.

While he is much better than me that doesn't stop him being one of the worst studio painters I have seen which is embarrassing when you think about it.

He is not even as good as most of the freelancers.

In most cases he manages to make the physical models look worse then they actually are. Except the SW stuff and Valdor there just gak sculpts in the first place oh and a couple of the BloodBowl special players and damn nearly forgot the new gak lotr the nine.

Damn now I think about it maybe he is a good fit as Forgeworld have released some gak sculpts recently, I can think of more duds in the last 24 mths than in FW entire history prior.

RogueApiary wrote:
Weird to see so many mourning the Elysians. The line is plagued with models stuck in absolutely terrible 'action' poses. The armor/weapon design was pretty cool though so it is sad to see the whole concept tossed out.

Not like they've truly gone away though. Recasters will no doubt pick up the slack.

Always reminded me of the plastic imperial guard from the rogue trader era.

Some slightly unconventional doors for your space marine vehicles this week. But don't worry, they're far more important than those silly Elysian models.

Love Slagmyst, a great sculpt. Nice to have more rogue trader era type sculpts added to the range.

I want them to release the licecream man that they concept'ed up during the HH Weekender seminar...

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Love Slagmyst, a great sculpt.

I must question the painter's sense, though. The guy is all-armored, with lots of implants and random bits of flesh replaced by metal, yet his most delicate and vulnerable part, hands, is for some reason bare. Even the two other gang minis from this release wear gloves despite lots of exposed skin, why would you paint hands as flesh when it sticks out like a sore thumb?

Very nice models! I'll definitely be placing an order for those.

(Still can't believe we have a new Squat model after all these years...)

 Irbis wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Love Slagmyst, a great sculpt.

I must question the painter's sense, though. The guy is all-armored, with lots of implants and random bits of flesh replaced by metal, yet his most delicate and vulnerable part, hands, is for some reason bare.

Some people just really HATE wearing gloves.

 Irbis wrote:

I must question the painter's sense, though. The guy is all-armored, with lots of implants and random bits of flesh replaced by metal, yet his most delicate and vulnerable part, hands, is for some reason bare. Even the two other gang minis from this release wear gloves despite lots of exposed skin, why would you paint hands as flesh when it sticks out like a sore thumb?

In defence of the painter, it's mentioned in his lore that the only flesh visible is his hands.