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**tneva82**

Mandragola wrote:

I'm increasingly convinced that the Castellan and Valiant will be seperate kits, as the Armiger and Helliger appear to be. Clearly think the answer to the "missing" sprue for the Armiger is the one with the autocannons and "household" style armour. Check out the Armiger sprue with weapons - it's also got the admech armour plates and faces:

FLGS said they are 2 separate boxes. Unlike say ork mek guns which are 4 different unit on GW web site but only 1 box to order from. I would be stunned if castellan and valiant aren\t separate kits. Q is if armigers comes in box with both variants or not. I fear not for maximum customer unfriendliness :(

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casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
This is extremely unsurprising. We've known since Forgebane there was a sprue missing for the Armigers--GW themselves actually confirmed it.

We haven't seen an answer yet one way or the other with regards to the Armiger Warglaive sprues being in the box. Hopefully they are, as those sprues shouldn't be too bad.
The question is if the Warglaive is a completely separate kit from Helverins, each including one weapon sprue. Given how the Dominus-class knights are largely identical, but have different weapon arms and alternate carapace armor. I am also almost wondering if the Armiger will be two Knights per box. They are always depicted in pairs. I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing.

FLG noted 2 per box. 1 would be bonkers as you could buy forge bane for price of 2. Armiger separate box would never sell much as long as forge bane would be on sale.

**casvalremdeikun**

Kanluwen wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
This is extremely unsurprising. We've known since Forgebane there was a sprue missing for the Armigers--GW themselves actually confirmed it.

We haven't seen an answer yet one way or the other with regards to the Armiger Warglaive sprues being in the box. Hopefully they are, as those sprues shouldn't be too bad.
The question is if the Warglaive is a completely separate kit from Helverins, each including one weapon sprue. Given how the Dominus-class knights are largely identical, but have different weapon arms and alternate carapace armor. I am also almost wondering if the Armiger will be two Knights per box. They are always depicted in pairs. I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing.

The showcased pictures are always the product they'll provide. It's 2 Armigers per box.

The Dominus-class each had a separate picture for each item.

That is a good point, I guess I never really looked at it that way. I think that drives down the probability of there being six sprues in the box. Probably four sprues in two separate boxes, though I suppose it could be a bigger box (Rhino sized), with the sprues still connected together. I guess we will see. I have all the Armigers I want right now, and don't really care for the look of the Helverins (that and a meltagun on dudes that look like they are going to hang in the back? No thanks.

So, we know what all the Houses do. Do we know if there is a Freeblade tradition? I am kinda torn on what I am going to do for a tradition. Leaning Raven, but Terryn and Griffith are both looking quite nice too. Be it that Canis Rex will likely be my Warlord, I am curious what tradition he will use.

**MajorWesJanson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a link? Shapeways is a big place.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

**drazz**

Freeblades are reportedly given bonuses per model, but with a negative associated as well.

Canis Rex will not be from a household.

I’m thinking each detachment can be from different households, if that helps any.

**tneva82**

drazz wrote:
Freeblades are reportedly given bonuses per model, but with a negative associated as well.

Canis Rex will not be from a household.

I’m thinking each detachment can be from different households, if that helps any.

Last one is given. That's how every army works. Of course how many knight detachments you expect to see in an army...Well maybe 1 LOW detachments but 2 of those is still dodgy due to 3 detachment limit and no CP's.

**Blitza da warboy**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a link? Shapeways is a big place.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

40 usd? Thats....a tad way too much

**ImAGeek**

Blitza da warboy wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a link? Shapeways is a big place.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

40 usd? Thats....a tad way too much

What’s 40 usd? The Armiger masks are £5.22.

**Breotan**

Blitza da warboy wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a link? Shapeways is a big place.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

40 usd? Thats....a tad way too much

That's the problem with Shapeways. You can get something like a set of MEQ shoulder pads for a price you can at least stomach but anything larger and you're paying through the nose. The resin they use is expensive. The up side is you get the best detail currently available from a 3D printer.

Just have to decide for yourself if the premium price is worth what you're ordering.

**tneva82**

ImAGeek wrote:
Blitza da warboy wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a link? Shapeways is a big place.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

40 usd? Thats....a tad way too much

What’s 40 usd? The Armiger masks are £5.22.

Those miniguns look sweet and were what I expected rather than beefed up autocannons.

**CragHack**

Anyone got a pic of the terrain piece?

**BrookM**

Here ya go:

**H.B.M.C.**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/gadgetsplus

Oh wow. That guy has so much more than I thought he did.

Cool. Thanks!

**casvalremdeikun**

BrookM wrote:
Here ya go:

Are we sure that is even the terrain piece? It looks like a hodge podge of bits from other kits, but not in a way that could be accomplished very easily. If it is, I will be getting at least one. It is a decently cool piece of terrain.

**CragHack**

If the techpriest is included - that's pretty good value. Some nice bits for ZM/NM terrain.

Waste of cash if you've bought Shadow War and still have the terrain, though.

**H.B.M.C.**

CragHack wrote:
If the techpriest is included - that's pretty good value. Some nice bits for ZM/NM terrain.

But there's so much left over that it doesn't sound right. I mean one of the objective sprues just for that cabinet? One of the Servo-Hauler sprues just for that crane arm?

CragHack wrote:
Waste of cash if you've bought Shadow War and still have the terrain, though.

Lies!!!

**BrookM**

We'll find out at the end of the week when the first pre-orders go up.

I doubt the Techpriest would be included for the price given, but it that's the case.. damn it, right after I bit the bullet and got one as a Sacristan for my own upcoming Knight project.

**H.B.M.C.**

I just got that mini as well. We need more plastic Tech-Priests.

**Astmeister**

changemod wrote:

I am. Sure, invulnerable saves can make it disappointing against some targets, leviathans for example, but a nice clean rerollable hit and 2+ to wound will be very nice for punching through things more reliably than it’s meltas would alone. It’s also going to do damage more reliably than a low roll on the volcano lance would, even if a high roll on the number of shots would obviously outdo it.

Absolutely not, I like the knight’s all rounder balance of weaponry and the harpoon is pretty awesome looking.

I’ll absolutely take three twin cannons if I can though: Never been much of a fan of single use weaponry.
Single use weaponry is fine. I'd definitely take two missiles - though no more. Games are often over and things are very often dead by turn 3, so it's much better to have a second turret firing on turns 1 and 2 rather than a second pair of missiles. The first pair do good things though, especially if you can pick out an important character with them.

I think I prefer the Valiant to the Castellan. If I'm paying for 4 melta guns, I want to be where I can fire them at things. The Valiant's other guns are a better combo with its secondary stuff, basically.

I'm still not sure about the harpoon. 12" range is awful, but rerolls to hit are good and it wounds basically everything on a 2+. I think the flamer is better than the other guns by a wide enough margin that it's ok to have the crazy harpoon. It's just a nice bonus if it hits.

Having said all that I'm still not convinced these guys are more efficient than normal knights. I'm willing to give them a try though.

I'm increasingly convinced that the Castellan and Valiant will be seperate kits, as the Armiger and Helliger appear to be. Clearly think the answer to the "missing" sprue for the Armiger is the one with the autocannons and "household" style armour. Check out the Armiger sprue with weapons - it's also got the admech armour plates and faces:

I agree with you on most points. The Flamer is super interesting, while the Harpoon seems to be a bit of an Anna Kurnikova. Looks good, but doesn't win anything.
The Flamer can be super important against things like Alaitoc Hemlocks and such.
The Castellan is better against elite infantry and super heavies. But I am not sure that you will need this.

The major thing going for both knights for me is the Missile weapon targeting characters or crippling invulnerable things.

**Mymearan**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Here ya go:

Are we sure that is even the terrain piece? It looks like a hodge podge of bits from other kits, but not in a way that could be accomplished very easily. If it is, I will be getting at least one. It is a decently cool piece of terrain.

That is the terrain piece, yes. It's explicitly named and shown in the Warhammer Community article. I don't know how they're doing it though since it has parts from a ton of different sprues. Might be a really good deal actually.

**lolman1c**

I seriously think the boxed game is going up in price to about £140-50. Every store here is advertising it for more than that (so take into account if it's 170 here it will be like 150 in england).

**AndrewGPaul**

Mymearan wrote:

That is the terrain piece, yes. It's explicitly named and shown in the Warhammer Community article. I don't know how they're doing it though since it has parts from a ton of different sprues. Might be a really good deal actually.

Those are all digital assets; it's not impossible that they've done new sprues.

**Chikout**

This was not in the article originally. They edited it in later.

**tneva82**

lolman1c wrote:
I seriously think the boxed game is going up in price to about £140-50. Every store here is advertising it for more than that (so take into account if it's 170 here it will be like 150 in england).

Renegade? FLGS quoted me 165€ when asking for people who want to get one on first day

**casvalremdeikun**

Mymearan wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Here ya go:

Are we sure that is even the terrain piece? It looks like a hodge podge of bits from other kits, but not in a way that could be accomplished very easily. If it is, I will be getting at least one. It is a decently cool piece of terrain.

That is the terrain piece, yes. It's explicitly named and shown in the Warhammer Community article. I don't know how they're doing it though since it has parts from a ton of different sprues. Might be a really good deal actually.

It wasn't in the article initially. Regardless, since that is the terrain piece, I will probably pick up at least one of them. It fits in well with my Ad Mech tabletop. It could be decommissioned at times (my map is of a ruined Forge World). It might actually be worth taking if the rumors are true and it makes the knights fire maximum shots. Should be fun. Looks cool regardless.

**Mymearan**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Here ya go:

Are we sure that is even the terrain piece? It looks like a hodge podge of bits from other kits, but not in a way that could be accomplished very easily. If it is, I will be getting at least one. It is a decently cool piece of terrain.

That is the terrain piece, yes. It's explicitly named and shown in the Warhammer Community article. I don't know how they're doing it though since it has parts from a ton of different sprues. Might be a really good deal actually.
It wasn't in the article initially. Regardless, since that is the terrain piece, I will probably pick up at least one of them. It fits in well with my Ad Mech tabletop. It could be decommissioned at times (my map is of a ruined Forge World). It might actually be worth taking if the rumors are true and it makes the knights fire maximum shots. Should be fun. Looks cool regardless.

The maximum shots thing is also from the WHC article, although not the exact wording of the rule.

**changemod**

Mymearan wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Mymearan wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Here ya go:

Are we sure that is even the terrain piece? It looks like a hodge podge of bits from other kits, but not in a way that could be accomplished very easily. If it is, I will be getting at least one. It is a decently cool piece of terrain.

That is the terrain piece, yes. It's explicitly named and shown in the Warhammer Community article. I don't know how they're doing it though since it has parts from a ton of different sprues. Might be a really good deal actually.
It wasn't in the article initially. Regardless, since that is the terrain piece, I will probably pick up at least one of them. It fits in well with my Ad Mech tabletop. It could be decommissioned at times (my map is of a ruined Forge World). It might actually be worth taking if the rumors are true and it makes the knights fire maximum shots. Should be fun. Looks cool regardless.

The maximum shots thing is also from the WHC article, although not the exact wording of the rule.

Oh, I’d missed that, let me check:

“Used offensively, you can ensure that your weapons with a random number of shots (like the volcano lance wielded by the new Knight Castellan) always perform at maximum effectiveness.”

Yeah if you don’t read that with a “what’s the most broken thing that could mean?” mindset, it just sounds like a reroll.

**gungo**

Someone said it before but they are correct the harpoon would have been better with a similar knight guantlet rule tossing the target 9in if it suffers any damage into an enemy unit and causing both units d3 mortal wounds. At least it would be a cool rule.

Regarding the terrain piece I’m disappointed in it. I have all the parts already to make it. It also seems very slapstick and not a proper knight station. I would have preferred Something new even if aesthetically it was the same type of sector mechanicus terrain.

Looks like it is just codex and datasheets (mostly for tokens) preorders for me. I’ll likely pick up the Castellan after I read the codex and decide which knight as a centerpiece as I’m not buying both but would have magnetized the two if given the chance.

**changemod**

Now that I think about it, the mortal wounds mean that if you’re stuck with only infantry in range, the harpoon can still take a little chunk out of infantry, moreso than a single shot weapon usually would have anyhow.

A shame they didn’t do more with that overspill mechanic, would have been cool if say, for every 10 models in a unit it did an extra D3 to represent the harpoon smashing through the ranks.

**Sim-Life**

gak. I think I'm getting at least one knight because I want to run it as House Griffith and paint "He Did Nothing Wrong" on it.

**Galas**

Sim-Life wrote:
gak. I think I'm getting at least one knight because I want to run it as House Griffith and paint "He Did Nothing Wrong" on it.

How could you...

ZOOOOOOOOOOODD!!!!!!!