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Are these new sculpts in scale to one another?

I know in the past the scale for the released models has been all over the place. With them being worked up digitally, it would be nice if they are now all properly scaled to one another.

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I was comparing the redesign sketch to the 3025 TRO:



I know it's not great. I mean the SRM's are not even there, I'm not sure how the legs work, and I'm pretty sure they are showing the AC10 on the CT. That being said I just don't get a Crockett vibe off the sketch. The Flashman at least 'looks' sort of right but has the aforementioned issues in the sketch compared to it's original picture here:



You know...it does dawn on me though that maybe the mechs being designed are not their 3025 variants. A quick comparison does in fact seem like the sketch is an 8k, not a 7k. Well I guess that makes sense, this is a Clan Invasion era thing, not a Succession War era one. My bad.
   
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And yet again, the new artwork wins hands down...

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 Ghaz wrote:
And yet again, the new artwork wins hands down...


OTOH, that's damning with faint praise .

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
And yet again, the new artwork wins hands down...


OTOH, that's damning with faint praise .

That a simple redesign sketch is better than some other finished artwork? Wait until we see the finished artwork for the redesigned Crockett then...

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 guinness707 wrote:
Can late backers not put up comments on the KS? The Crockett and Flashman have some serious issues. IMO neither of these two sketches convey what mechs they are supposed to represent. I had to pull out my 3025 TRO just make sure I wasn't crazy. To be fair the art for the Crockett kinda sucks anyway.


Your post here is as valid as your post in the KS comments would be - they probably won't read it, and if they do they aren't going to change it, because quite simply they won't care about your individual opinion out of a sea of 10k+.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
And yet again, the new artwork wins hands down...


OTOH, that's damning with faint praise .

That a simple redesign sketch is better than some other finished artwork? Wait until we see the finished artwork for the redesigned Crockett then...

Mostly anything would be better than those designs. So just saying they're better is... well, faint praise
   
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Aww man that Guillotine is ace.

   
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Faint Praise is "To provide praise that is minimal or inconsequential, implying that such praise is the best that could be said. ". So basically to me you were saying that the redesign sketch was minimally better than the older artwork.

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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
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Make a joke, get jumped. Figures. One would have thought the emoticon was hint enough, you know.

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 Albertorius wrote:
Make a joke, get jumped. Figures. One would have thought the emoticon was hint enough, you know.

Except it didn't come across as a 'joke', just as 'well it's okay, but anything can be better than the older artwork'.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Also, you must have the much later printed 3025 revised tech readout. These Mechs were not in the sainted original tech readout 3025; the Crockett and Flashman first appeared in the 2750 Star League tech readout....with different art also than what you’re posting here.

FYI -
Tech Readout 3025 - 1986 published. These Mechs don’t exist.
Tech Readout 2750 - 1989. Crockett & Flashman debut.
Tech Readout 3025 Revised - 1996. Crockett & Flashman included; different art.
   
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 totalfailure wrote:
Also, you must have the much later printed 3025 revised tech readout. These Mechs were not in the sainted original tech readout 3025; the Crockett and Flashman first appeared in the 2750 Star League tech readout....with different art also than what you’re posting here.

FYI -
Tech Readout 3025 - 1986 published. These Mechs don’t exist.
Tech Readout 2750 - 1989. Crockett & Flashman debut.
Tech Readout 3025 Revised - 1996. Crockett & Flashman included; different art.

The Crockett has featured in the various versions of TRO: 3050 as the Katana.

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defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.
   
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Are we really arguing over the Crockett of Flashman?

I'll be honest I wasn't familiar with the Crockett anyway, so I didn't remember what it was until I saw the caption. The Flashman looks fine to me though.

   
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What pledge tier snags one of each mech? It reads as quite... esoteric.

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 guinness707 wrote:
My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.

Sorry, but other than the necessity of both being giant humanoid robots, the Crockett and the Warhammer are distinctly different.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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 Ghaz wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
Make a joke, get jumped. Figures. One would have thought the emoticon was hint enough, you know.

Except it didn't come across as a 'joke', just as 'well it's okay, but anything can be better than the older artwork'.


Hey, if you wanna read it like so, be my guest. It's not like anything new has to be the very best ever or anything.
   
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 guinness707 wrote:
My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.


Actually it does matter, because while it’s lovely you like that art so much, the point is that it’s is not the first or only interpretation of those Mechs out there.
   
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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
What pledge tier snags one of each mech? It reads as quite... esoteric.


Well, you've got 19 different mech packs which can be chosen as pledge rewards, and you need the legendary mechwarrior pack to guarantee you get one of every single mech.

So you would need Galaxy Commander plus the Legendary Mechwarrior addon, coming in at 625 dollars. That's the easiest way.

At a pledge down, you pay 300 for the 12 packs of Star Colonel, and then need to add on 8 packs, which if you're only interested in getting the largest number of mechs, could cost you 165 (20 per pack for various innersphere packs, and 25 for the legendary mechwarrior addon- you use your pledge packs for Comstar and Clan, which are more expensive a la cart). So 465 should get you one of each sculpt. Make a list, the pledge manager is challenging.

Plus a little for shipping, minus a bit if you would like to use the named character buyback option and get some credit.

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Yikes... they sure don't make it easy. To be fair Battletech can be a bit impenetrable for newer players. To this day I still don't know which books are needed to create the most robust tabletop war-game version, nor how many neoprene maps are added to create a good sized game where range and flanking meaningfully happen.

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4980pts Total (4980pts painted)

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Right behind you.

Is the Legendary Mechwarriors pack going to be hitting retail at some point?

I've nabbed a Clan Invasion starter, Elementals, and a Heavy Striker set through Miniature Market(hate to do it--but nowhere local stocks it). Patiently waiting for the rest of Clanner stuff to go up.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Is the Legendary Mechwarriors pack going to be hitting retail at some point?

Yes, but only at conventions and on the Catalyst web store.

EDIT: Note that there is no release date for the Kickstarter product yet. If a store has it up on pre-order, don't believe their pre-order dates as they're pure fiction.

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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Right behind you.

 Ghaz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Is the Legendary Mechwarriors pack going to be hitting retail at some point?

Yes, but only at conventions and on the Catalyst web store.

EDIT: Note that there is no release date for the Kickstarter product yet. If a store has it up on pre-order, don't believe their pre-order dates as they're pure fiction.

Which Kickstarter product?

Miniature Market's been fairly up front about it being a "we don't know when, but Catalyst is HOPING for July/August"...which seems to line up with what the Kickstarter itself has been saying for the (I think?) Wave I stuff.

Did you guys know about the Puzzles and Art Posters yet?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Is the Legendary Mechwarriors pack going to be hitting retail at some point?

Yes, but only at conventions and on the Catalyst web store.

EDIT: Note that there is no release date for the Kickstarter product yet. If a store has it up on pre-order, don't believe their pre-order dates as they're pure fiction.

Which Kickstarter product?

Miniature Market's been fairly up front about it being a "we don't know when, but Catalyst is HOPING for July/August"...which seems to line up with what the Kickstarter itself has been saying for the (I think?) Wave I stuff.

Did you guys know about the Puzzles and Art Posters yet?

All of the 'Mech packs are Kickstarter products. Right now, the only products with the updated miniatures are 'A Game of Armored Combat' and the Beginner Box.

Catalyst just got the white samples of the packaging two weeks ago, so there's no way a July release date is going to happen and is probably pushing it for August if there are no other delays.

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 Ghaz wrote:
 guinness707 wrote:
My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.

Sorry, but other than the necessity of both being giant humanoid robots, the Crockett and the Warhammer are distinctly different.

They can certainly be distinguished, but I'm not sure if I'd really call them distinct if I wasn't familiar with Battletech. One of the weaknesses of Battletech, for me, is that the 'mech designs are just cosmetic, in that there's no game difference between the legs on a Marauder and the legs on a Warhammer. It's kind of neat to see that someone unified the aesthetic, somewhat, and having some family resemblance between the Warhammer and the Crockett, or between the OST series or whatever adds some nice depth to the background. Like how Warhammer 40k has patterns, marks, and so on.

   
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Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 guinness707 wrote:
My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.

Sorry, but other than the necessity of both being giant humanoid robots, the Crockett and the Warhammer are distinctly different.

They can certainly be distinguished, but I'm not sure if I'd really call them distinct if I wasn't familiar with Battletech. One of the weaknesses of Battletech, for me, is that the 'mech designs are just cosmetic, in that there's no game difference between the legs on a Marauder and the legs on a Warhammer. It's kind of neat to see that someone unified the aesthetic, somewhat, and having some family resemblance between the Warhammer and the Crockett, or between the OST series or whatever adds some nice depth to the background. Like how Warhammer 40k has patterns, marks, and so on.


There was an old Challenge Magazine that took the lore quirks and applied them to the various 'Mechs and the current BattleTech manual does the same for both good and bad quirks so for instance
a Warhammer has:
Warhammer Rugged (2), 3 times as long without maintaince
Searchlight, (useful at night, must roll to see if destroyed in location)
Stable, (-1 bonus to piloting checks from Physical attacks)
Ubiquitous (easier to get replacement parts)

and a Marauder has
Marauder
Command ’Mech, Directional Torso Mount (RT),
Hyper-Extending Actuators, Narrow/Low Profile;
Exposed Weapon Linkage (AC/5)

etc

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 Mr Morden wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
 guinness707 wrote:
My 3025 TRO is a Fanpro reprint from 2002. Doesn't matter if the Crockett or Flashman were or were not in previousTROs or not. They are in the copy I own (and probably subsequent reprints) which is the basis of my opinion. The sketch looks like a Warhammer more than a Crockett. Just a few tweaks and they could nail it like they did the Guillotine.

Sorry, but other than the necessity of both being giant humanoid robots, the Crockett and the Warhammer are distinctly different.

They can certainly be distinguished, but I'm not sure if I'd really call them distinct if I wasn't familiar with Battletech. One of the weaknesses of Battletech, for me, is that the 'mech designs are just cosmetic, in that there's no game difference between the legs on a Marauder and the legs on a Warhammer. It's kind of neat to see that someone unified the aesthetic, somewhat, and having some family resemblance between the Warhammer and the Crockett, or between the OST series or whatever adds some nice depth to the background. Like how Warhammer 40k has patterns, marks, and so on.


There was an old Challenge Magazine that took the lore quirks and applied them to the various 'Mechs and the current BattleTech manual does the same for both good and bad quirks so for instance
a Warhammer has:
Warhammer Rugged (2), 3 times as long without maintaince
Searchlight, (useful at night, must roll to see if destroyed in location)
Stable, (-1 bonus to piloting checks from Physical attacks)
Ubiquitous (easier to get replacement parts)

and a Marauder has
Marauder
Command ’Mech, Directional Torso Mount (RT),
Hyper-Extending Actuators, Narrow/Low Profile;
Exposed Weapon Linkage (AC/5)

etc

I think it's all up on Sarna.net.

   
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The Crocket definitely looks way more generic- but I think that's in keeping with its mission. Remember, it's a training mech that get converted to combat roles.You want something that stable, and easy to pilot.

The original artwork and follow ons kept this super cool Samurai head which looked very much like it was a Draconis Combine mech. I'm quite glad the new one will look more at home in Comguard and Word of Blake formations, and if I ever acquire an old sculpt, I'll run it as the 3039 Kuritan versions.

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