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BrianDavion wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Some people require a certain aesthetic before they'll play a game. Can you imagine playing 40k with standee marines? Maybe back in 2nd edition. If the mechs look good, and probably the best they ever have, it might broaden the appeal of the game.


that's absolutely the case. Back when there was a Battletech demo team, to get on it it was required that you had painted minis for just that reason. but Minis are not ESSENTIAL to play. they're simply a "nice to have"

cou;dn't have put it better myself.


WAS a demo team? There still is, otherwise I'm getting some weird emails from random people.

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 Mattlov wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Some people require a certain aesthetic before they'll play a game. Can you imagine playing 40k with standee marines? Maybe back in 2nd edition. If the mechs look good, and probably the best they ever have, it might broaden the appeal of the game.


that's absolutely the case. Back when there was a Battletech demo team, to get on it it was required that you had painted minis for just that reason. but Minis are not ESSENTIAL to play. they're simply a "nice to have"

cou;dn't have put it better myself.


WAS a demo team? There still is, otherwise I'm getting some weird emails from random people.


poor wording oin my part then. "back last I ehard of the demo team"

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Nurglitch wrote:
Some people require a certain aesthetic before they'll play a game. Can you imagine playing 40k with standee marines? Maybe back in 2nd edition. If the mechs look good, and probably the best they ever have, it might broaden the appeal of the game.
Completely fair and them making a new set of good looking minis in plastic is a really good idea that I support (which is why I'll be jumping into this KS).

Though, when I started playing BTech, I only had the little standees (and one vinyl Warhammer! ), and it was perfectly fine. Now I have hundreds of 'Mechs, vees and Battle Armour, because I like miniatures. But not a single one of them is necessary to play the game. I'd argue the opposite for 40K.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
Some people require a certain aesthetic before they'll play a game. Can you imagine playing 40k with standee marines? Maybe back in 2nd edition. If the mechs look good, and probably the best they ever have, it might broaden the appeal of the game.
Completely fair and them making a new set of good looking minis in plastic is a really good idea that I support (which is why I'll be jumping into this KS).

Though, when I started playing BTech, I only had the little standees and one vinyl Warhammer! , and it was perfectly fine. Now I have hundreds of 'Mechs, vees and Battle Armour, because I like miniatures. But not a single one of them is necessary to play the game. I'd argue the opposite for 40K.



as would I. in many ways Battletech is the "anti-40k" (I say this as a fan of both) that said Battletech's fanbase by and large has a very "RPG" mindset. it's a differant mindset.

BTW I mentioned it earlier but just in case someone has missed it the house Arano book for battletech is now avaliable https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/277779/BattleTech-House-Arano-The-Aurigan-Coalition?src=hottest

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I've seen a number of folks getting quite annoyed at how prevalent the Awesome is on the Arano tables compared to, say, the FWL (ie. the people who actually make the 'Mech).


   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've seen a number of folks getting quite annoyed at how prevalent the Awesome is on the Arano tables compared to, say, the FWL (ie. the people who actually make the 'Mech).



well a REALISTIC RAT would be nothing but King crabs given the coalition only has the one assault mech

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Shameless self promotion, but if you are looking to get started in battletech, I currently have a thread up on dakka swap looking to trade away my battletech collection. Old catalyst starter box, 3rd ed starter box (which has all the old unseen models), extra first strike boxes, and a giant pile of books. I love the lore, but have no one to play against anymore. My ending could be your beginning. Pm me for details.
   
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 Renesco P. Blue wrote:
Shameless self promotion, but if you are looking to get started in battletech, I currently have a thread up on dakka swap looking to trade away my battletech collection. Old catalyst starter box, 3rd ed starter box (which has all the old unseen models), extra first strike boxes, and a giant pile of books. I love the lore, but have no one to play against anymore. My ending could be your beginning. Pm me for details.



when you say a giant pile of books, do you just mean sourcebooks, or the novels?

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I so want an unseen Archer and Rifleman... but you only ship to US, so...

   
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Im the other way. I have several mechs that I have painted from over the last 20 years, but have never bought any BT rules material.



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I got interested in Battletech with my friend's copy of the 3rd edition box set of the plastic Unseen. Sub-standard even by the standards of the early 1990s (still an improvement on the 'orrible City Tech models), but enough to get me interested. I managed to weather the artistic drought of 3050 - 3058 until the 3060 TRO finally had some good FASA-original designs, even if the miniatures didn't always live up to the artwork.

Currently my collection is those 14 Mechs from BT 3rd edition (plus a Scorpion and a Goliath), and the equivalents from the Project Phoenix line. I look at them in the box every so often and think about painting them.

If the intention is for Battletech to become more popular again, then it absolutely needs to improve its production values somehow. Either half-decent miniatures, or at least interesting counters or standees, of the quality of Heroes of Normandie/Black Reach, that sort of thing. I'd almost argue that they should perhaps trim down the miniatures range, but if control of the miniatures is separate from control of the game design, then that would be difficult.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I so want an unseen Archer and Rifleman... but you only ship to US, so...


The Archer in this picture looks pretty good. Possibly better than the original (your taste may vary).

   
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 AndrewGPaul wrote:

If the intention is for Battletech to become more popular again, then it absolutely needs to improve its production values somehow.


Honestly? I'd settle for "keeps starter boxes in stock for longer than 6 months every 5 years".
   
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Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

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 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?
   
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Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?

The 'Unseen' Archer is the original artwork, i.e. the Robotech Spartan.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?

The 'Unseen' Archer is the original artwork, i.e. the Robotech Spartan.

Doesn't that make the Spartan the Classic? But yeah, Anthony Scroggins is great.
   
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Nurglitch wrote:
The Archer in this picture looks pretty good. Possibly better than the original (your taste may vary).
Oh don't get me wrong - the new one's great, and I have two of the Project Phoenix Archers - but there's something about the original Unseen one (and the Rifleman) that really appeal to me.

   
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Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?

The 'Unseen' Archer is the original artwork, i.e. the Robotech Spartan.

Doesn't that make the Spartan the Classic? But yeah, Anthony Scroggins is great.

No. The 'Unseen' are those 'mechs using artwork from Super Dimensional Fortress Macross, Crusher Joe, Fang of the Sun Dougram and a few other sources that Catalyst will not use again due to past legal issues and not being made in-house. The 'Reseen' represent new, updated models of the Unseen 'mechs with new artwork (e.g. the differences between a 1969 and a 2019 Ford Mustang). The 'Classic' is/was a term for the updated line art that replaces the 'Unseen' artwork and is a retcon for what those 'mechs were always considered to look like in-universe (barring the 'Reseen' which remain as is).

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?

The 'Unseen' Archer is the original artwork, i.e. the Robotech Spartan.

Doesn't that make the Spartan the Classic? But yeah, Anthony Scroggins is great.

No. The 'Unseen' are those 'mechs using artwork from Super Dimensional Fortress Macross, Crusher Joe, Fang of the Sun Dougram and a few other sources that Catalyst will not use again due to past legal issues and not being made in-house. The 'Reseen' represent new, updated models of the Unseen 'mechs with new artwork (e.g. the differences between a 1969 and a 2019 Ford Mustang). The 'Classic' is/was a term for the updated line art that replaces the 'Unseen' artwork and is a retcon for what those 'mechs were always considered to look like in-universe (barring the 'Reseen' which remain as is).

BattleTech gonna BattleTech I suppose.
   
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EDIT: Nevermind. I thought the post said it was releasing June 17th. but it says July 17th.

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balmong7 wrote:
EDIT: Nevermind. I thought the post said it was releasing June 17th. but it says July 17th.


Also very important to note that that's the kickstarter launch date, not the street date for these beautiful models. Because they're presented in finished storefront packaging, many people are going to make that mistake. We probably won't have our hands on them until sometime next year.

Sadly, I can't tell when. I don't have
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Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
Yes, that's the 'Classic' Archer that as a retcon replaces the 'Unseen' Archer. It's done by Anthony Scroggins (aka Shimmering Sword) based on his artwork...

Spoiler:

So what's the Unseen Archer look like?

The 'Unseen' Archer is the original artwork, i.e. the Robotech Spartan.

Doesn't that make the Spartan the Classic? But yeah, Anthony Scroggins is great.

No. The 'Unseen' are those 'mechs using artwork from Super Dimensional Fortress Macross, Crusher Joe, Fang of the Sun Dougram and a few other sources that Catalyst will not use again due to past legal issues and not being made in-house. The 'Reseen' represent new, updated models of the Unseen 'mechs with new artwork (e.g. the differences between a 1969 and a 2019 Ford Mustang). The 'Classic' is/was a term for the updated line art that replaces the 'Unseen' artwork and is a retcon for what those 'mechs were always considered to look like in-universe (barring the 'Reseen' which remain as is).

BattleTech gonna BattleTech I suppose.


the retcon was needed. the mechs lost where classic designs in the fluff that they needed to be able to depict

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The IS Command box is Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger? or is that Valkyrie supposed to represent the PP Wasp?

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 Miguelsan wrote:
The IS Command box is Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, Stinger? or is that Valkyrie supposed to represent the PP Wasp?

M.


Should be a Valkyrie.

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I don't see them putting a Project Phoenix 'mech in with everything else being Shimmering Sword's work, so I agree with it being a Valkyrie.


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HBMC - why not grab the Robotech Tactics KS models for the unseen stuff? They're scale appropriate (possibly a bit large), but they're the classic ones, and poseable, etc.

 
   
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The RTT destroids are a bit smaller. I had to buff mine a little bit so they would match the other heavy mechs. IIRC the veritechs are bigger than the equivalent, maybe not that bad to pose as a Phoenix Hawk, but too big for a Wasp and a Stinger.

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Raxmei wrote:24ps is the range. 24". If that were the points cost then lasguns and plasma guns would cost the same amount and flamers would have a cost of "Souffle".

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 Elbows wrote:
HBMC - why not grab the Robotech Tactics KS models for the unseen stuff? They're scale appropriate (possibly a bit large), but they're the classic ones, and poseable, etc.
Thought about it. Actually had found someone offering boxes of both... then a few hours later this KS was announced.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Elbows wrote:
HBMC - why not grab the Robotech Tactics KS models for the unseen stuff? They're scale appropriate (possibly a bit large), but they're the classic ones, and poseable, etc.
Thought about it. Actually had found someone offering boxes of both... then a few hours later this KS was announced.


yeah it's no accident Robotech Tactics had the same scale as Battletech minis. Paladium knew they'd be getting cross over sales

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