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 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Those are some sweet cards! Shardgale + Tainted Vitality = every orc player’s dream . Love these!

And these awesome cards come in a set of figures not needed by Orc players?

Why do people beat on FFGs sales method then accept this by GW so readily? At least with FFG you could print the card yourself at any size or quality and use it as it's just stats at the side. The GW versions need to match the exact size/quality as the originals or you could tell them in the deck.

You could sleeve the cards and use printouts, I'm actually thinking of doing this so I have some "demo decks" always ready to use.

But honestly, this hasn't bothered me because compared to GW's other offerings, these boxes for $30 are quite a steal! And you only ever need one of each - the problem with X-wing became needing multiples of a card, and thus having to get the same box many times. In Shadespire, you're not allowed to use duplicate cards, and so don't need to make any duplicate purchases.

They're still out to make money, of course, but it's much more economical (and the costs are more spread out) than buying into their other main game systems, imo. Still not perfect, but I'm pretty happy with it so far!

Good points from the above two posters.
It's also a great game for painters. I would never build a skeleton army and paint hundreds of these little dudes, but painting the Sepulchral guard was a blast. I really enjoy the freshness of painting a few guys from armies I would never collect. Buying a single box from an army I don't play feels a bit like a waste, whereas with Shadespire I get a new complete warband to play.

Got to agree it’s great painting each of the little war bands let’s you dip your toe in each army without burn out.

Good game play
Good speed
Good models
Good price point
Good release rate

Good point! I never could swing a skaven army, but in Shadespire it's a no-brainer to try them out . And if they get more creative with their warbands in season 2 (Sylvaneth!) this will be an even bigger positive for the game.

Thats one of the big things for me as a modeler / painter ... There are so many armies that have cool models, but I can't buy into them because I can't afford 20 different armies. I love how Shadespire lets you paint and play with a few minis from all of them so you get the fun of painting stuff you normally wouldn't.

I just hope the next batch contains war bands for the recently released armies!

Black Librarium (a fan site dedicated to BL novels) leaked the covers of upcoming books: https://twitter.com/blacklibrarium
One of them have Stormcast wizards and Nighthaunt. So a starter box with these two factions is becoming increasingly likely.

fresus wrote:
Black Librarium (a fan site dedicated to BL novels) leaked the covers of upcoming books: https://twitter.com/blacklibrarium
One of them have Stormcast wizards and Nighthaunt. So a starter box with these two factions is becoming increasingly likely.

Can't find it. Removed?

That's the one he's talking about.

Thats a nice stormcast Wizard!

Same factions, same awesomeness

(check the staff and the card logo)

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Those are some sweet cards! Shardgale + Tainted Vitality = every orc player’s dream . Love these!

And these awesome cards come in a set of figures not needed by Orc players?

Why do people beat on FFGs sales method then accept this by GW so readily? At least with FFG you could print the card yourself at any size or quality and use it as it's just stats at the side. The GW versions need to match the exact size/quality as the originals or you could tell them in the deck.

For me, the difference is that the boxes have enough value in the cards that they feel like buying card expansions with the figures being an after thought. I definitely wasn't wild about the setup until I bought the Orks and saw how much new content there was for the non-Ork stuff. It'd still be nice to have another way to get cards; particluarly duplicates of some key stuff, but the difference to me compared to FFG's system is entirely in the amount of new card content each expansion includes.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Those are some sweet cards! Shardgale + Tainted Vitality = every orc player’s dream . Love these!

And these awesome cards come in a set of figures not needed by Orc players?

Why do people beat on FFGs sales method then accept this by GW so readily? At least with FFG you could print the card yourself at any size or quality and use it as it's just stats at the side. The GW versions need to match the exact size/quality as the originals or you could tell them in the deck.

For me, the difference is that the boxes have enough value in the cards that they feel like buying card expansions with the figures being an after thought. I definitely wasn't wild about the setup until I bought the Orks and saw how much new content there was for the non-Ork stuff. It'd still be nice to have another way to get cards; particluarly duplicates of some key stuff, but the difference to me compared to FFG's system is entirely in the amount of new card content each expansion includes.

It's actually one of the things I've liked best about GW themselves supporting "league" play. They've been putting out some of those key cards as 'alternate art' rewards for just showing up to play on designated nights.

Thus far the only cards I've seen are things I already had 2 of from the core box. :(

So gw just released a pdf of the full rules for Shadespire with all the faqs incorporated (not just added to the end) for FREE on the warhammer underworlds website, which also contains a full card library, including the winning decks from many of the major tournaments.
That is pretty awesome. The support for this game has been great.

New faq, not actually new, they are just the rule from Adepticon judge rule, now made official.

Also more cards allow a single model to attack more.

Chopstick wrote:
New faq, not actually new, they are just the rule from Adepticon judge rule, now made official.

Also more cards allow a single model to attack more.

Not true, they reversed the Adepticon Earthquake ruling and added in some new stuff.

I'm a little out of the loop on this, what was the AdeptiCon earthquake ruling versus what it is now?

 RiTides wrote:
I'm a little out of the loop on this, what was the AdeptiCon earthquake ruling versus what it is now?

Adepticon rule said you push one fighter at a time repeat for all fighters. The Faq said that you push all fightesr, you can push them one at a time but all the push happen at the same time for any rule involve.

So basically you can’t do shenanigans like say “I’m pushing this guy, oops this other guy is in the way, guess he’s staying put!”

 Mymearan wrote:
So basically you can’t do shenanigans like say “I’m pushing this guy, oops this other guy is in the way, guess he’s staying put!”

Yup, that's exactly what happens with this revised FAQ. The only time you won't push is blocking terrain or board edge, or if you'd move to a model that couldn't be pushed for one of those reasons. The Adepticon FAQ allowed choosing the order of pushing, which invited shenanigans. (Yes, I was there and in the Grand Clash, and absolutely abused it but at least I wasn't the only one. )

Have the rules always been available for free?

Scroll Down: https://warhammerunderworlds.com

If this is a new development, does that bode well for the prospects of new boards sold separately?

 nels1031 wrote:
Have the rules always been available for free?

Scroll. Down: https://warhammerunderworlds.com

If this is a new development, does that bode well for the prospects of new boards sold separately?

This is new and it has been rewritten to include all the faqs.
GW have said they intend to do separate boards at some point.

Chikout wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Have the rules always been available for free?

Scroll. Down: https://warhammerunderworlds.com

If this is a new development, does that bode well for the prospects of new boards sold separately?

This is new and it has been rewritten to include all the faqs.
GW have said they intend to do separate boards at some point.

Without having seen the specific wording you're mentioning, I do recall them saying if there had been enough interest that they would sell the boards from the main box separate.

Beta rules are out that addresses the Katophrane Relics deck thats pretty dominant.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/15/may-14th-warhammer-underworlds-beta-rules-announcedgw-homepage-post-2/

 nels1031 wrote:
Beta rules are out that addresses the Katophrane Relics deck thats pretty dominant.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/15/may-14th-warhammer-underworlds-beta-rules-announcedgw-homepage-post-2/

Good fix. Think they should just have made it official immediately.

Chikout wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Beta rules are out that addresses the Katophrane Relics deck thats pretty dominant.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/15/may-14th-warhammer-underworlds-beta-rules-announcedgw-homepage-post-2/

Good fix. Think they should just have made it official immediately.

Might be excessive though or simply the wrong way to fix it which is why testing is a good idea.

Nobody expect Scaredy cat Stormcast deck would be a thing, and it's still there.

Designer probably never thought they made too many objectile cards that reward player for not doing anything.

Chikout wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
Beta rules are out that addresses the Katophrane Relics deck thats pretty dominant.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/15/may-14th-warhammer-underworlds-beta-rules-announcedgw-homepage-post-2/

Good fix. Think they should just have made it official immediately.

Remember the parable of Wargaming Feedback.

Deer Company.

Rock OP, Paper OK

Love, Scissors.


Hence the Beta. This is in reaction to people saying it's overpowered or too reliable etc. Acknowledge those complaints, release a Beta, see how that's received by those it'll most affect. If they're getting up out of their pram or purely theoryhammering (theoryhammering is useless for feedback), the Beta is probably OK. But if there's constructive 'this impacts stuff in other ways', it may be tweaked further.

They say it is because of their results at grand clashes - so it's not so much that they are reacting to people complaining but acting on results data.

Seems a Beta rule to see if that corrects the results to more what they were expecting is a reasonable thing to do