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Decrepit Dakkanaut




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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I know when I'm looking for buy a game I read both positive and negative reviews.


Yeah but on Steam reviews I can see a persons "playtime". I actually tend to count "It gets boring/repetitive/its got some flaws" negative reviews as positive when I then see that they've a playtime well over 100 hours or such. Because if the standard cost of a game gave them hundreds of hours of playtime (heck even over 20 hours is a lot) then it likely IS a good game, they are just bored/overloaded with it. Ergo they've reached a natural point of oversaturation. With wargames its harder to see the hours of fun people have had in their opinions.

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depends on how long you need to reach the "endgame" content

for game were you need to sink in a 100 hours to reach the final content and than see that it is not really fun is different to a game that is played through in 30 hours.

for AoS you don't need to spend the intro hours to learn the game but can buy an army and play narritive events/tournaments and if you are experienced in wargames 15 hours playtime or less can be enough to see if the game is yours or not.

if you count painting/building you still need a lot of time before you reach "endgame" but if you are only playing with painted models it can be compared to spending 100 hours with the game before you can tell that you like it or not

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 kodos wrote:
And everyone who wants to play the game (and does not start for other reasons) should be aware of the negative experience

if you want buy a PC/console game for the gameplay and people are telling you to ignore the negative comments about it because the graphics are great and it can still be fun if you ignore the flaws

would you still buy it for the full price and also recommend it to others?


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I don't play AoS, not because I don't want to, but because I can't:

-I am a painter primarily, and because I try to do as good of a job as I can, it tends to take me longer to paint an army than I can maintain enough interest in it to amass 2K points. It took me a year to do 1K pts of yellow Ironjawz (50 'Ardboyz FTW), and that was when I was working at it almost every day.

-I am a casual player, and I live in a small town in rural Missouri. The closest FLGS to me is an hour away. I don't want to dive into a tournament as a newb, as I do not like the atmosphere. And it is difficult to get people to reliably play casual games on a weekend when every Saturday is a tournament.
   
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joewarhost wrote:
I don't play AoS, not because I don't want to, but because I can't:

-I am a painter primarily, and because I try to do as good of a job as I can, it tends to take me longer to paint an army than I can maintain enough interest in it to amass 2K points. It took me a year to do 1K pts of yellow Ironjawz (50 'Ardboyz FTW), and that was when I was working at it almost every day.


That sounds like an excuse. Just play 1k pt games.

joewarhost wrote:
-I am a casual player, and I live in a small town in rural Missouri. The closest FLGS to me is an hour away. I don't want to dive into a tournament as a newb, as I do not like the atmosphere. And it is difficult to get people to reliably play casual games on a weekend when every Saturday is a tournament.


Well if you're a casual gamer you must have someone to play with -otherwise you wouldn't be gamer.... So just play the occasional game 1k pt game.
   
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ccs wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
-I am a casual player, and I live in a small town in rural Missouri. The closest FLGS to me is an hour away. I don't want to dive into a tournament as a newb, as I do not like the atmosphere. And it is difficult to get people to reliably play casual games on a weekend when every Saturday is a tournament.

Well if you're a casual gamer you must have someone to play with -otherwise you wouldn't be gamer.... So just play the occasional game 1k pt game.

As they said, it seems that everyone is the tournament-only type, for the most part. In such an environment, getting someone to entertain anything but whatever the tournament standard is can be a challenge, and even harder if there are few/no tables left to play on.

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ccs wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
I don't play AoS, not because I don't want to, but because I can't:

-I am a painter primarily, and because I try to do as good of a job as I can, it tends to take me longer to paint an army than I can maintain enough interest in it to amass 2K points. It took me a year to do 1K pts of yellow Ironjawz (50 'Ardboyz FTW), and that was when I was working at it almost every day.


That sounds like an excuse. Just play 1k pt games.

joewarhost wrote:
-I am a casual player, and I live in a small town in rural Missouri. The closest FLGS to me is an hour away. I don't want to dive into a tournament as a newb, as I do not like the atmosphere. And it is difficult to get people to reliably play casual games on a weekend when every Saturday is a tournament.


Well if you're a casual gamer you must have someone to play with -otherwise you wouldn't be gamer.... So just play the occasional game 1k pt game.
You are completely ignoring his point, seriously.

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I tried getting into a MTG group that was focused on a tournament every week - it didn't last long. Sadly such environments are great for those who are good (or at least good within the local meta); for those who aren't it can feel like the wrong attitude. Even if casual games I might lose just as many the fact that its not structured as a "tournament" makes a lot of difference. It's not even well conducted toward advancing your game because everyone is competing every week for all the matches so you're not getting that "downtime" outside to learn or improve etc.... Barring the small portion of the evening before the event starts.

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Thats why games like AOS are going to be very hit or miss. If you have a casual group that doesn't want to curb stomp baby seals, I am sure it can be a blast.

If you are in an area that the majority are doing tournament style gaming, the game has to be tighter than what AOS offers.

   
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I'd love to get into AoS by playing Skirmish or Hinterlands, but to get anyone in my area to play non-tournament standard games would be tantamount to getting them to play non-GW games. Pretty unlikely. Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Maybe when Warcry gets the new warbands, and if anyone still plays it, I will get into that.



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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.

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One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good
   
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joewarhost wrote:
One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good

They've had non-Chaos factions in Warcry since the beginning.

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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 DarkBlack wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.


I feel like you didn't read the rest of the post you pulled that quote from.
1) Grimm WANTS to play small AoS skirmish games.
2) Getting other local players to do so is a nigh impossible task. What company makes the skirmish game isn't relevant.
   
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ccs wrote:
 DarkBlack wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.


I feel like you didn't read the rest of the post you pulled that quote from.
1) Grimm WANTS to play small AoS skirmish games.
2) Getting other local players to do so is a nigh impossible task. What company makes the skirmish game isn't relevant.

I did, I just chose to promote games that I like and suggest moving away from GW (might require finding people outside that group though).
I am glad that I gave up on GW and have gotten much joy from the games that I suggested, so I'm trying to pass that on.

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 DarkBlack wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.


Absolutely. But to play any non-GW games in my area, I have to own all the models for play and push for the game to be played. GW games dominate as usual, with the occassional Xwing.

I would love to get more games in with my Dracula's America stuff, or experience a good Song of Blades and Heroes campaign, or Gaslands, Star Wars Armada, etc. If Warcry can grow some with the new stuff coming out, maybe I'll give it a bite.


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 Ghaz wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good

They've had non-Chaos factions in Warcry since the beginning.


Well, kinda. Good luck getting many of the card packs to even field them.

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 AegisGrimm wrote:
 DarkBlack wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.


Absolutely. But to play any non-GW games in my area, I have to own all the models for play and push for the game to be played. GW games dominate as usual, with the occassional Xwing.

I would love to get more games in with my Dracula's America stuff, or experience a good Song of Blades and Heroes campaign, or Gaslands, Star Wars Armada, etc. If Warcry can grow some with the new stuff coming out, maybe I'll give it a bite.


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 Ghaz wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good

They've had non-Chaos factions in Warcry since the beginning.


Well, kinda. Good luck getting many of the card packs to even field them.


They're all in the Tome of Champions book that just released.
   
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 AegisGrimm wrote:
 Ghaz wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good

They've had non-Chaos factions in Warcry since the beginning.


Well, kinda. Good luck getting many of the card packs to even field them.

You mean the rules printed in the Tome of Champions?

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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NE Ohio, USA

 AegisGrimm wrote:
 DarkBlack wrote:
 AegisGrimm wrote:
Which is a bummer, as I love small skirmish games.

Go outside of GW for the good ones, Malifaux is fantastic, Kings of War: Vanguard is done well (noticeably still in it's first edition though) and Frostgrave is good fun.


Absolutely. But to play any non-GW games in my area, I have to own all the models for play and push for the game to be played. GW games dominate as usual, with the occassional Xwing.

I would love to get more games in with my Dracula's America stuff, or experience a good Song of Blades and Heroes campaign, or Gaslands, Star Wars Armada, etc. If Warcry can grow some with the new stuff coming out, maybe I'll give it a bite.


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 Ghaz wrote:
joewarhost wrote:
One of these days I need to do a sample try it Warcry. I was initially turned off by it being all-chaos. But if they are bringing in the other factions, that sounds pretty good

They've had non-Chaos factions in Warcry since the beginning.


Well, kinda. Good luck getting many of the card packs to even field them.


Here: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=warcry+cards&crid=1E5SZ2JR5CXBE&sprefix=warcry+%2Caps%2C181&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_7
   
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Sure, all the card packs are on Amazon. But I'm not paying 25 dollars for the Ironjaws pack or Stormcast cards so I can play them in local games of Warcry, when GW could still be stocking them for 8 dollars as a supplement. Warcry has the exact same crap card availability issues as Necromunda, where you have to quickly snap them up at release as they are only available in a limited edition format.

I have not had a chance to look at a Tome of Champions yet. Is all the info from the card packs available there? As a newbie to Warcry, some of GW's info is unclear to me (I have only ever played Skirmish or Hinterlands)

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Yeah it's all the cards copied into the book. Frankly i think it's better than the cards. I'd rather have it all in one place than having multiple cards and needing to store those as well.
   
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Its all the cards for everything up to now. The new profiles are NOT in the book and you currently need the new cards not yet released to use them
   
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I did a demo game. I like the rule set. I just have no attachment to anything yet. WHFB was very simple theming wise and easy to connect with using evocative set pieces (big blocks of cavalry charging, spearmen, wizard on dragon, etc.) I started in 5th probably at the growth spurt where Brets and lizardmen were just new and exciting with great sculpts. I left for 40k exclusively before 7th and really haven't been back.

AoS models are more "unique" but meh? It's like WM/Hordes. Sure could I see myself collecting/painting some of the cool models? Absolutely. Do I feel a connection to anything viscerally? Not yet. IDK is probably the closest to "cool enough" so far but I haven't been pushed off the edge yet, e.g. like Eidolon is an amazing model but $110 for dust collector that isn't even taken in most lists for an army I'm only vaguely interested in for a game in great flux and potential that I don't play yet? Meh. Fyreslayers are just an army of what used to be one unit to me so I kind of resent that in a weird way?
Knights/elves/etc. (Good guys archetype from LOTR) just don't exist anymore, I know IP and mythic realms, blah blah, but I just look at something like KO and say "those airships are cool looking" but I don't care at all about them narratively. It's weird but old WHFB brets might be super generic knights, but dammit they were my knights. AoS army is crazy unique, but they don't speak to me.

Hysh elves or whatever comes in 2020 has the potential to do it. I feel like they're creeping towards me, but AoS is so unique and focused rather than generic factions with expansive models and 1-2 unique units that I think it's harder to connect. Hard to explain, best I can come up with is hyper focused small cohesive factions make it harder to find inroads. Like if you love ogres riding mammoths, troll slayers alone, steampunk dwarf ship, man they got your number. But they haven't called mine yet. I'm boring high fantasy guy though I guess.

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