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Breton wrote:
You think Marneus Calgar and the Ultramarines dragged an unregistered psyker hanging out with a chapter known to ABHOR THE WITCH right up to stasis fielded Gulliman during an assault by the Ruinous Powers who are known for taking advantage of unregistered psykers thus the reason for registering them in the first place?

They treated her as sanctioned likely due to how long she's been in service, also those marines believe everything to be the act of the emperor, say you're a saint and you're in. It's the rest of marines who are generally not going to take things on a matter of faith., in plague war they find a fresh one and treat her like a potential weapon sitting behind their lines.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:
believe everything to be the act of the emperor,

You mean like blessing their endeavors through the Litanies of their Chaplain? There are no atheists in foxholes, and The Emperor Protects.

You mean like blessing their endeavors through the Litanies of their Chaplain? There are no atheists in foxholes, and The Emperor Protects.

the entire point of the "no atheists in fox holes" argument doesn't apply here. the argument is that in the hard enviroment of combat, where simple bad luck could see you dead, or worse, even people whom have abandoned their religion will find themselves praying. the argument falls apart regarding space marines on two accounts.

1: Space Marines are raised in a chapter cult that useally teaches that the emperor is NOT a god, but simply the greatest human.
2: Know no fear. Space Marines are conditioned to be pretty much immune to the kind of tension being discussed. as such a Space Marine in a fox hole is only going to be thinking "Ok, I should proably get out of this fox hole"

This BTW doesn't address that the line is wrong anyway.
the thing is Marines know what a psyker is, and know the emperor was the greatest psyker. thus they're less prone to describe things as miracles then the less educated normal humans.

BrianDavion wrote:

You mean like blessing their endeavors through the Litanies of their Chaplain? There are no atheists in foxholes, and The Emperor Protects.

the entire point of the "no atheists in fox holes" argument doesn't apply here. the argument is that in the hard enviroment of combat, where simple bad luck could see you dead, or worse, even people whom have abandoned their religion will find themselves praying. the argument falls apart regarding space marines on two accounts.

1: Space Marines are raised in a chapter cult that useally teaches that the emperor is NOT a god, but simply the greatest human.
2: Know no fear. Space Marines are conditioned to be pretty much immune to the kind of tension being discussed. as such a Space Marine in a fox hole is only going to be thinking "Ok, I should proably get out of this fox hole"

This BTW doesn't address that the line is wrong anyway.
the thing is Marines know what a psyker is, and know the emperor was the greatest psyker. thus they're less prone to describe things as miracles then the less educated normal humans.

And you're playing Semantics. If the Ruinous powers are just gifted Xenos psykers and not gods either, then they're on the same footing as the Emperor, and anything the Word Bearers can Pray for, the Chaplains can Litany for. Etiher everybody's a god, or Nobody is, either way, they both have a history of bestowing boons and blessings people call miracles.