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**Nostromodamus**

frozenwastes wrote:
I thought that eventually I'd be one of those people who has at least a small army of every faction.

I resemble that remark!

**highlord tamburlaine**

I am so

sick of cleaning those

Trollblood plastics.

I've sworn off Privateer plastics as well for the time being.

I really liked those new outlaws, and upon opening the box, I just went

this

and the

it all where it can

.

Which is a shame since they look like they'd be a fun unit to mess with and paint. Still need to get that Solo outlaw girlie troll too. At least she's metal.

**Deadawake1347**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I am so sick of cleaning those Trollblood plastics.

I've sworn off Privateer plastics as well for the time being.

I really liked those new outlaws, and upon opening the box, I just went this and the it all where it can .

Which is a shame since they look like they'd be a fun unit to mess with and paint. Still need to get that Solo outlaw girlie troll too. At least she's metal.

I hear this every now and then, that PP has terrible mold lines. But in my experience, GW is just as bad with mold lines. Hell, I just spent most of the afternoon cleaning the lines off of a box of Chaos marines. And that's not even touching the finecast issues.

**Platuan4th**

Deadawake1347 wrote:
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I am so sick of cleaning those Trollblood plastics.

I've sworn off Privateer plastics as well for the time being.

I really liked those new outlaws, and upon opening the box, I just went this and the it all where it can .

Which is a shame since they look like they'd be a fun unit to mess with and paint. Still need to get that Solo outlaw girlie troll too. At least she's metal.

I hear this every now and then, that PP has terrible mold lines. But in my experience, GW is just as bad with mold lines. Hell, I just spent most of the afternoon cleaning the lines off of a box of Chaos marines. And that's not even touching the finecast issues.

THANK YOU.

**drazz**

The plastics used for the Legion Warspears(?) was not bad at all. They bend, but mold lines and cleaning were not much of a burden at all, especially when compared to the gaping holes left after assembling some of they metal models.

**Nostromodamus**

My biggest issue of late is the requirement of more than 2 limbs for assembling even basic troops.

With each new purchase it's becoming even more annoying to assemble PP models.

I hope their designers take assembly into consideration more than they have been in the future.

**Platuan4th**

drazz wrote:
The plastics used for the Legion Warspears(?) was not bad at all. They bend, but mold lines and cleaning were not much of a burden at all, especially when compared to the gaping holes left after assembling some of they metal models.

To be honest, I don't get the horror stories at all. I've bought the PP PVC since they started and I've yet to see any issues that I haven't seen from various metal and plastic kits from a variety of manufacturers, including GW and their styrene plastics(yes, they don't have the bend issue, but their mold lines have been terrible at times, especially during 3rd).

**ImAGeek**

Platuan4th wrote:
drazz wrote:
The plastics used for the Legion Warspears(?) was not bad at all. They bend, but mold lines and cleaning were not much of a burden at all, especially when compared to the gaping holes left after assembling some of they metal models.

To be honest, I don't get the horror stories at all. I've bought the PP PVC since they started and I've yet to see any issues that I haven't seen from various metal and plastic kits from a variety of manufacturers, including GW and their styrene plastics(yes, they don't have the bend issue, but their mold lines have been terrible at times, especially during 3rd).

Agreed. I've not had more mould lines than GW kits or anything. You just have to treat them a bit differently, it's more like cutting them off than scraping them off. I've never really understood the massive issue people have either.

That said, I am looking forward to seeing their hard plastic kits too.

**JonWebb**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I am so sick of cleaning those Trollblood plastics.

I've sworn off Privateer plastics as well for the time being.

I really liked those new outlaws, and upon opening the box, I just went this and the it all where it can .

Which is a shame since they look like they'd be a fun unit to mess with and paint. Still need to get that Solo outlaw girlie troll too. At least she's metal.

Pvc killed my interest in relic Knights, and all my cryx is metal where possible , so everything except one heavy and one light at present, plus the bane cav.

One thing I learned is that you can still clean up with a file, as long as you then use a brass brush to clean off all the fuzzies.

I despise pvc and all its flaws, but sadly it's the next step on the journey of wargaming figs while everyone figures out how to bridge the gap from metal to styrene. Could be worse, could be finecast

**frozenwastes**

It's a luck of the draw thing. I've had acceptable plastics from privateer but I experienced a rash of bad kits and stopped buying anything in that material as a result.

I'm also more forgiving of the exact same issues but in styrene, resin and metal because I find cleaning up mould lines and imperfections with PVC to be far, far more annoying.

**overtyrant**

I've brought 2 kits in restic from Privateer Prees and they are/were awful. I won't touch another restic miniature from any company because of this. I don't buy GW stuff but my HIPS from Wyrd, Mantic and Hawk Wargames are good. All the HIPS stuff I have from Warlord and Perry's are good. All my resin from Hawk Wargames are good. My metals from GCT studios, Corvus Belli and Privateer are good. My restic from Privateer Prees, Mantic and Soda Pop Miniatures are awful.

**plastictrees**

Yeah, I've never had three converging mold lines across the main areas of detail on any minis other than my Cygnar jacks. It's really horrible stuff when it's bad.

**Grimtuff**

Brennos the Elderhorn.

An ancient and wizened satyr grown grey and stooped by the weight of almost three centuries, Brennos the Elderhorn commands primordial magic, harnessing the eldritch natural forces of raw elemental power. For decades Brennos has been Morvahna’s most reliable sentinel. Though his youthful vigor is a fading memory, he continues to leave the bodies of those who oppose his mistress twisted and broken on the battlefield.

**Platuan4th**

WANT

**Trasvi**

plastictrees wrote:
Yeah, I've never had three converging mold lines across the main areas of detail on any minis other than my Cygnar jacks. It's really horrible stuff when it's bad.

PP also has an extremely annoying habit of putting mold lines through concave detail areas. For metal + HIPS models this is impossible due to the stiffness of the mold - any mold line must be on a raised flat or convex area which can be easily accessed. PP PVC with their soft molds routinely puts mold lines through detail areas (faces, icons, all the fiddly gears on Cyriss models) which are next to impossible to clean out well.

**Platuan4th**

Trasvi wrote:
plastictrees wrote:
Yeah, I've never had three converging mold lines across the main areas of detail on any minis other than my Cygnar jacks. It's really horrible stuff when it's bad.

PP also has an extremely annoying habit of putting mold lines through concave detail areas. For metal + HIPS models this is impossible due to the stiffness of the mold - any mold line must be on a raised flat or convex area which can be easily accessed. PP PVC with their soft molds routinely puts mold lines through detail areas (faces, icons, all the fiddly gears on Cyriss models) which are next to impossible to clean out well.

There are tons of metal models with mold lines through faces and detailed areas. GW's older stuff had it all the time, as did several Harlequin and Reaper models.

**Grey Templar**

Grimtuff wrote:
Brennos the Elderhorn.

Spoiler:

An ancient and wizened satyr grown grey and stooped by the weight of almost three centuries, Brennos the Elderhorn commands primordial magic, harnessing the eldritch natural forces of raw elemental power. For decades Brennos has been Morvahna’s most reliable sentinel. Though his youthful vigor is a fading memory, he continues to leave the bodies of those who oppose his mistress twisted and broken on the battlefield.

It pains me that such a beautiful model has such bad rules.

**spiralingcadaver**

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I hear this every now and then, that PP has terrible mold lines. But in my experience, GW is just as bad with mold lines. Hell, I just spent most of the afternoon cleaning the lines off of a box of Chaos marines. And that's not even touching the finecast issues.

Yeah, unless you get to nice resin or occasional metal (usually luck in the latter case) you're going to need to deal with mold lines. The difference is PVC is hell to clean. I hate the material in 9/10 circumstances, and it takes a very nice model, smart use of the material, and/or a low price point for me to consider it worth dealing with, and PP's got none of those. I still like their original metals better most of the time, and don't understand why people buy many of their plastic kits.

edit: wrong quote layer

**Jehan-reznor**

Surtur wrote:Reivers in a single box and the sacral vault.

http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/minions/battle-engines/sacral-vault

Grimtuff wrote:Brennos the Elderhorn.

An ancient and wizened satyr grown grey and stooped by the weight of almost three centuries, Brennos the Elderhorn commands primordial magic, harnessing the eldritch natural forces of raw elemental power. For decades Brennos has been Morvahna’s most reliable sentinel. Though his youthful vigor is a fading memory, he continues to leave the bodies of those who oppose his mistress twisted and broken on the battlefield.

That chopped of head, "Adriaaaa..."

That satyr guy could be used as a skaven.

**highlord tamburlaine**

I see I'm not the only one who sees a bit of a rat in that Elderhorn.

An exalted Grey Seer perhaps?

Feel like I need a roided out Seer to go with my Vermin Lords as it stands....

**.Mikes.**

Grimtuff wrote:
Brennos the Elderhorn.

An ancient and wizened satyr grown grey and stooped by the weight of almost three centuries, Brennos the Elderhorn commands primordial magic, harnessing the eldritch natural forces of raw elemental power. For decades Brennos has been Morvahna’s most reliable sentinel. Though his youthful vigor is a fading memory, he continues to leave the bodies of those who oppose his mistress twisted and broken on the battlefield.

Now there's a model who deserves to be a Warlock.

**frozenwastes**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I see I'm not the only one who sees a bit of a rat in that Elderhorn.

An exalted Grey Seer perhaps?

Feel like I need a roided out Seer to go with my Vermin Lords as it stands....

I definitely think it looks very rat like. It's cool, but I don't think goat when I look at it. Though it might just be the angle, I haven't look at the 3d rotation if there is one.

**angryboy2k**

frozenwastes wrote:
Welcome. And thanks for the info about the new kits in styrene.

I too hope for a mass transition over to styrene. I'm not purchasing any more PVC miniatures, so my WM/H spending has dropped dramatically over the last year as starting a new army is hard when all the jacks and beasts I might want are things I won't buy because of the material. Normally I start a new army every January. This year and last, I didn't and instead bought some historicals. I thought that eventually I'd be one of those people who has at least a small army of every faction, but PVC prevented it. If they switch to styrene, it's back on for sure.

Yeah. I would have bought all the Convergence models if it wasn't for the material. Instead I ended up selling what I got. If PP rerelease Convergence in HIPS I'm in. As it is I'm never buying another PVC model again (which sort of hampers my ability to get many new models or start any new factions for Warmahordes).

**Breotan**

Deadawake1347 wrote:
...But in my experience, GW is just as bad with mold lines.

Your experience differs from my own.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I see I'm not the only one who sees a bit of a rat in that Elderhorn.

An exalted Grey Seer perhaps?

Feel like I need a roided out Seer to go with my Vermin Lords as it stands....

I see it, too.

**HisDivineShadow**

The hate I see for pp resin is unwarranted imho.

I was reticent to start Wmh largely due to the complaints liked these. But since taking the plunge anyway, I think the complaints see largely exaggerated.

Mold line placing is unfortunate at times, but that can be said about any manufacturer. The only complaint I have is not being able to use plastic glue.

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Breotan wrote:
Deadawake1347 wrote:
...But in my experience, GW is just as bad with mold lines.
Your experience differs from my own.

And 90% off that line is covered by the front 'hull'of that jack.

**angryboy2k**

HisDivineShadow wrote:

And 90% off that line is covered by the front 'hull'of that jack.

While the remaining ten percent will ruin your paintjob.

It's not just the moldlines. The detail is soft as PVC seems to shrink back from the molds. The little cogs in relief on all the convergence stuff look like you'd fill them in with just the undercoat.

**Grey Templar**

Ehh, PPs current choice of material is pretty bad. Its surprising its taken them so long to start using regular plastic.

I mean, the material is ok for the sculpts its been used for. Fairly chunky and not too fine of detail. But its just that, ok. Not great.

**Wehrkind**

I like the look of Brennos in general, but man, he is way too big. None of the other satyrs hang off the base that much, and already they are kind of awkwardly large for their presence in game (not super heavies like Mulg etc.) PP scale creep is getting a little out of hand I think.
Also, those horns are a bit much... they would weigh more than the rest of him. I love the runes carved into them, however.

**Grey Templar**

You know nothing of overhang till you've played Skorne.

**Wehrkind**

Oh, I am well aware of the Titan Twerk. My poor wolves get very uncomfortable some games!