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 Hulksmash wrote:
Considering I built a BA Librarian dread with hands for the force staff I'm cool with it. Plus it's a DREADNOUGHT with a STORMSHIELD!!!!! Rule of cool does apply sometimes.

SOMETIMES!

I like Bjorn, but I'm not too impressed with the others. I prefer my dreadnoughts to be the classic looking sarcophagus.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Why is their no dreadnought with a pint in one hand and wench in the other? Must be the special edition

Because it's codex space wolves, not codex east London on a Saturday night


Not liking that Bjorn model. Looks exactly like the last one with some added cheap gold chain. No way to treat the imperium's most famous warrior.

I like the idea of a Wulfen dreadnought quite a bit. Seeing his misanthropic head stuffed into the top of a sarcophagus is pretty absurd though. Looks idiotic. The rest of the model looks good, and it is an easy head to change out. Problem solved.

 insaniak wrote:
So... Murderfang looks ok. I do like the blinged-up look for Space Wolf dreads.

Bjorn is still rocking.

The axe-dread looks ridiculous. The storm shield is awesome, but dreads holding oversized weapons in their fists just looks wrong. It can work on the Contemptor chassis, but on regular dreads they just look awkward. Would much rather have seen the axe built into the elbow joint, replacing the hand.

You mean like the Chaos dreadnought thunder hammer arm from ages ago? (Or heck, the current CSM dreadnought model)

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
This is from someone I know on another forum. Really made me laugh:

white_rabbit wrote:I can normally be relied upon for a calm and rational response to the daftness. I am going to restrain myself here...

But head sticking out of the sarcophagus is the single most feth-stupid model idea GW have ever produced.

I could just about deal with the face-mask on the Furioso Librarian, as its easy to paint it as a simple Deathmask ornament.

But an actual head protruding out of it, which isn't actually a fething Daemon/fethed up chaos Dready?

Get the feth away from me, you colossal idiots. How do you not know your own background? Its actually worse than the Dow2 thing, where the ex-captain is bumping against the aquari...sorry, the view port.

Agreed- if it's one of the helmed heads, I can imagine a dreadnought using it as a way to see out of his sarcophagus. Having his fleshy head poking out of it you may as well not bother putting him in there in the first place.

At least on the Axe/Shield dread it's an ornamental wolf skull (which looks awesome btw). Although I agree that I'd prefer if the Dread was not holding the axe, but whatever. Good thing I've got so many otherwise useless Dreads lying around, I'll be able to convert up an Axe/SS and Murderfang for much less than $130 CAD (...which will instead fund my Stormfang + Codex).

I'm not familiar with the venerable dreadnought chassis but does anybody know if it will be possible to build Murderfang or the normal dread with Bjorn's sarcophagus without using Bjorn's plates with his company badge on it...because those heads really scares me

its kind of funny, some people have issues with the dread holding an axe in its powerfist, and want to see it just attached,

I actually LIKE that he has a opposable hand holding it, as it makes more sense to me (what if the dread has to pick something up after all?) and feel like the attached arms on dreads and knight titans look silly as they are not as dextrous as a hand held weapon.

holding a weapon in the hand gives it more dexterity, as well as more leverage for more powerful and precise striking, so it looks cool/seems to work better in my mind.

probably a lot easier to convert a hand holding the axe into an axe arm, then it is to convert an axe arm into a fist holding that axe.


just goes to show how different we all are!

wana10 wrote:Maybe one of the fans of axe-dread can help me out here; how is it supposed to hit anything not a vehicle with that axe?

Like this! (skip to 3:56ish)



Edit: I have to wonder what the Axe actually does though. I mean, a DCCW/Power Fist is already S10 AP2 at Initiative. Probably like a Wraithblade that gives rerolls or something?

Between the gunboat brick and the murdering murderfang of murder, this whole release is some seriously lazy and uninspiring design. It's lowest common denominator stuff.

I have the old Bjorn. The newer one is not enough of an improvement, and the bling is too over the top.

GW used to do "over the top" in a cool way. This stuff just looks like typical 12-year-old "over the top" stupidity.

I'm happy for anyone who enjoys them, but they're not for me.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
You mean like the Chaos dreadnought thunder hammer arm from ages ago? (Or heck, the current CSM dreadnought model)

Exactly like that, yes.

 easysauce wrote:
I actually LIKE that he has a opposable hand holding it, as it makes more sense to me (what if the dread has to pick something up after all?)

Given that it' arms don't reach to the ground and it has no way to bend over, I doubt that's a primary design consideration.

Logan - A DOG SLED?!?! Sign me up! SOLD

Stormfang / Stormwolf? - Already bought one. I will have it by Saturday.

Grey Hunters - As long as they continue to be the best troop choice in the game. They do not raise the price on them too much and they still can take some weapons for free. I am in.

Murderfang / Bjon/ AND a ven dread in the same box? - SOLD

Murderfang - If its a wolf in a dreadnought....SOLD! Plus it looks kinda bad ass.


I just need one more thing to be sold completely on this codex. WE NEED ONE MORE TANK! A unique tank like that new guard tank with those half track things. I want something cool looking on the ground like THAT one!

Or, maybe some special rules to make a Dreadnought army more viable. Like, Fast attack and Troop choice dreads or something like that.

 Fugazi wrote:
Between the gunboat brick and the murdering murderfang of murder, this whole release is some seriously lazy and uninspiring design. It's lowest common denominator stuff.

I have the old Bjorn. The newer one is not enough of an improvement, and the bling is too over the top.

GW used to do "over the top" in a cool way. This stuff just looks like typical 12-year-old "over the top" stupidity.

I'm happy for anyone who enjoys them, but they're not for me.

I love reading posts like this.

Space Wolf venerable dreadnought from Forgeworld + new flighty arms = a better kit for those who aren't sold on the new dreadnoughts?

Meh...I think I'm gonna go play with my bikes and SM. Codex dreadnought still doesn't sound enticing and really expected more from the new models for the army.

The only thing that might keep me playing this army consistently is if it has some better usage with the TWC or swift claws BS Ws is 4 (prob not).

I'm just not a dreadnought fan and I don't like the air boat. I hope they give us a wulfen codex supplement and wulfen models.

 insaniak wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
I actually LIKE that he has a opposable hand holding it, as it makes more sense to me (what if the dread has to pick something up after all?)

Given that it' arms don't reach to the ground and it has no way to bend over, I doubt that's a primary design consideration.

dreads are more dextrous then you think, they can very much touch the ground, same axis on the legs that lets them take steps could let them bend over.

its still going to have more range of motion due to the wrist joint being there, IE can twist, and its still got more leverage that way.

think of it this way, hold an axe head in your hand, try to split a log with it, doesnt work so hot.

hold an axe by the handle, and the leverage improves your power considerably.



I do think they should have made a more nimble looking hand though, as the power fist looks a bit awkward holding it, compared to say a dreadknight where the fist actually looks dextrous enough to grip it.

I'm still waiting to see if the LeMan Russ comes with an Ice Cannon...

 Fugazi wrote:
It's lowest common denominator stuff.

This stuff just looks like typical 12-year-old "over the top" stupidity.

I'm happy for anyone who enjoys them, but they're not for me.

You're happy for anyone who doesn't enjoy them but they are LCD 12-year-old boys... Thanks!

 pretre wrote:

Ok, I'm still bothered by this.. but why does he have a lense on his hand? Do they make "MurderCam" replays to watch after a fight while drinking beer?

 prowla wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Ok, I'm still bothered by this.. but why does he have a lense on his hand? Do they make "MurderCam" replays to watch after a fight while drinking beer?

Considering that these are Space Wolves...yeah, probably.

Now I'm just waiting for the tide of Wolf haters to flow in and complain about the exposed heads being too Chaos like.

It is pretty fething stupid but like's been said, should be easy to just swap it with Bjorn's front cover shield whatchamacallit.

I am digging that Axe/Shield dread and other than the head thing, I actually really like Murderfang as well. Might have to drop a couple of them in Drop Pods and watch my friends cry and hate me.


EDIT: Hang on a tick, Murderfang is definitely an exposed head but AxeDread looks more like a skull than a mask. Is it possible it's not so much a head as it is a bit of decoration?

I am a bit disappointed in the murderfang. I was expecting something a little more ludicrous :(

I would say that the lens on that arm might be some kind of visual aide for firing the underslung weapon, but his head is poking out. Don't know if he would need assistance or not.

I wonder if this will have the typical dreadnought guns as well. Those 3 variants have 3 different left arms and 3 different right arms, that's already a lot of spare parts, so we might only get the Assault Cannon as the only ranged option.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder if this will have the typical dreadnought guns as well. Those 3 variants have 3 different left arms and 3 different right arms, that's already a lot of spare parts, so we might only get the Assault Cannon as the only ranged option.

Well unless they make a major change on Bjorn there should be a Las-Cannon and Plasma-Cannon.
I also expect one or two Auto-Cannons to get people to buy more kits

 Anpu42 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder if this will have the typical dreadnought guns as well. Those 3 variants have 3 different left arms and 3 different right arms, that's already a lot of spare parts, so we might only get the Assault Cannon as the only ranged option.

Well unless they make a major change on Bjorn there should be a Las-Cannon and Plasma-Cannon.
I also expect one or two Auto-Cannons to get people to buy more kits

Maybe, I'm just thinking if they have more ranged options in there then they'll have a crap ton of spare arms in the box. Existing dreadnoughts only have 5 arms, this box already has 6 arms that we've seen, the only ranged one being an assault cannon.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder if this will have the typical dreadnought guns as well. Those 3 variants have 3 different left arms and 3 different right arms, that's already a lot of spare parts, so we might only get the Assault Cannon as the only ranged option.

Well unless they make a major change on Bjorn there should be a Las-Cannon and Plasma-Cannon.
I also expect one or two Auto-Cannons to get people to buy more kits

Maybe, I'm just thinking if they have more ranged options in there then they'll have a crap ton of spare arms in the box. Existing dreadnoughts only have 5 arms, this box already has 6 arms that we've seen, the only ranged one being an assault cannon.

More than likely there aren't that many arms, but arm parts. As in you build the arm with what you want.

Is there any chance some kind soul will take pictures of pages 12 and 13 of the Codex (the pages dedicated to the expensive limited editions of the SW Codex)?

It would be a kindness.

 dienekes96 wrote:
Is there any chance some kind soul will take pictures of pages 12 and 13 of the Codex (the pages dedicated to the expensive limited editions of the SW Codex)?

It would be a kindness.

the rules and points for the new dread would be nice too

also, I hove they come with entirely different arms, not just arm bitz, so i can use the extra with a potential purchase of the FW SW dread.

 Bulldogging wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I wonder if this will have the typical dreadnought guns as well. Those 3 variants have 3 different left arms and 3 different right arms, that's already a lot of spare parts, so we might only get the Assault Cannon as the only ranged option.

Well unless they make a major change on Bjorn there should be a Las-Cannon and Plasma-Cannon.
I also expect one or two Auto-Cannons to get people to buy more kits

Maybe, I'm just thinking if they have more ranged options in there then they'll have a crap ton of spare arms in the box. Existing dreadnoughts only have 5 arms, this box already has 6 arms that we've seen, the only ranged one being an assault cannon.

More than likely there aren't that many arms, but arm parts. As in you build the arm with what you want.

If you have all three images open, (http://latabernadelaurana.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/rumores-imagenes-exclusivas-de-la-nueva.html) and flick between them all the arm components definitely seem to be the same for all of the CCW variants, (Venerable TH, Murderfang Claws and Bjorn Claw), with the actual hand/fist being the variable part. Therefore I would assume that you get only two of the 'shoulder' and 'arm' parts, and all the remaining CCW are extensions. It will certainly be interesting to see if at least the Lascannon and Plasma Cannon are in there for Bjorn at least but I doubt the Autocannons will make an appearance, (more than likely chuck these on a vanilla Dreadnought, if ever). Given the angle its hard to argue but one would assume the ranged weapons are also core and extension parts, (with the 'shoulder' part constant across all CCW and ranged weapons).

Not a fan of Murderfang's exposed head or the Venerable skull either to be honest, but if I eventually get all three I would like to not have them the same Bjorn sarcophagus. Funds permitting I'll pick up a kit alongside the Codex and see if there are any further options (doubtful) or room to easily swap out the heads, (unless they look far cooler in person!)

With regards to release schedule are we to assume we will they have a final hurrah with Logan/Chariot and any further releases, (Harald Deathwolf apparently still on the cards?) one week from Codex? Whilst my wallet screams let it end, my heart begs for even more Wolfy goodness. Would we therefore have Codex releasing alongside the preorder for characters? We've all seen the arguments from both sides and have a preference (models sell models vs. rules sell models) so perhaps this is a compromise, having arguably the 'coolest' or most shocking release first, then moving into the Codex alongside more standard releases? I bought a Stormwolf kit because I simply couldn't say no, but I'll probably wait for the Codex before committing to the Dreadnought kit or any further characters.

As and when we have that bad boy I can finally assemble my Stormclaw sprues and get to work on damage control on my CF/WC terminators, (man oh man do I love disassembling painted models...)