Forge World News and Rumour Thread : p212 Knight Porphyrion

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**ImAGeek**

The Wise Dane wrote:
I'm pretty sure White Scars have it worse, though. Apart from their balla upgrade packs, they get seemingly no love.

They will, they just haven't yet.

**Formosa**

Caederes wrote:
gorgon wrote:
As has been discussed, WS (along with BA, DA, and maybe SW and TS) will get some rules in the next book to tide them over until they get their full treatment.

Regarding primarchs...they're all PDG and capable. They have differing points values, and the game itself isn't about primarch duels (which also could swing wildly based on just a few lucky/unlucky rolls), so these simulations aren't worth much other than as a just-for-fun exercise.

Space Wolves and Thousand Sons have been confirmed not to make their appearance in Book 6, they are being saved for Prospero.

Again, I don't think Dorn is terrible, I just find his rules to be disappointing. It's mostly because his two weapons don't seem to make any sense - an Unwieldy weapon with no Strength bonus and a salvo bolter that prevents him from charging, contrary to all the other Primarchs. Trying to say any specific Primarch isn't worth their points is really difficult as different Legions play so differently from each other and each individual Primarch buffs their Legions in specific ways that might not have really obvious benefits. A good example of this is Fulgrim; the +2 to combat resolution seems kinda "meh", but combine it with the Emperors' Children big bonuses to making Sweeping Advances and it becomes pretty clear why he provides that bonus. Dorn is perfectly fine, I just expected more...."ooomph" out of him, he just feels very middle of the road if that makes any sense. His rules are the only ones that don't grab me in any way; for example, I love Mortarion's teleporting and durability, while Corax can Vector Strike and is essentially built to run around the battlefield causing havoc by himself. I just don't find anything exciting about Dorn and it is really unfortunate!

The funny thing about the Primarch duels is that they really are just for fun seeing as rushing two opposing Primarchs at each other in a game is usually an awful idea as even though one might win, by the time the two actually make it into combat the game will probably end before they kill each other! It's also amusing seeing as Rogal Dorn is one of the weakest in the Primarch duels, yet he's superior to someone like Perturabo - one of the top 1v1 Primarch duelists - in general close combat terms by far. I only consider it a tiny part of how I measure the competitive worth of a Primarch as it will almost never make a difference, about the only thing you can extrapolate from them is how a Primarch might fare against some of the super tough characters/gargantuan creatures in 40K. Take Alpharius for example; he'll bounce off things like Ta'unars, but he'll utterly monster a D-Thirster. Contrast that to Vulkan who should utterly destroy a Ta'unar or even a Hierophant with his many Strength 10 AP1 Initiative 5 Instant Death attacks, but who stands a very real chance of being slain by the aforementioned D-Thirster in a battle of simultaneous death. The only reason I mentioned Dorn's performance in those 1v1 duels is that I think it just doesn't "jive" with his background and it just seems to add to the other reasons I dislike his rules. If nothing else, it is "cool" to see them fight each other and see who would win - in essence helping us fan-children finally work out the "who would win scenarios" we all play out on forums - even if it probably isn't that exciting to actually play out

Try running fists in the castelan foc, then see how dorn makes your army insanely resilient.

**Caederes**

Formosa wrote:
Try running fists in the castelan foc, then see how dorn makes your army insanely resilient.

Oh I know, don't worry. It's much like taking a Pride of the Legion list with Perturabo, that stuff is just mean!

Back on topic....

I can't wait to see Corax, he'll be the first winged Primarch we've seen so far. Do we have any ideas of what Forge World is releasing soon otherwise though? I recall there was that rumored Tau VS AdMech Imperial Armor book but with the Doom of Mymeara only just being redone I can't see that coming any time soon.

**Mr. Grey**

Caederes wrote:
Formosa wrote:
Try running fists in the castelan foc, then see how dorn makes your army insanely resilient.

Oh I know, don't worry. It's much like taking a Pride of the Legion list with Perturabo, that stuff is just mean!

Back on topic....

I can't wait to see Corax, he'll be the first winged Primarch we've seen so far. Do we have any ideas of what Forge World is releasing soon otherwise though? I recall there was that rumored Tau VS AdMech Imperial Armor book but with the Doom of Mymeara only just being redone I can't see that coming any time soon.

Corax also had wings?? I thought Sanguinius was the only one?

On topic of Alpharius: I expect that his model will be in some form of ceremonial armor - I know AL is supposed to all look the same, but they also have to (presumably) have some form of ceremonial armor. I mean, even Dynat is all fancied-up! There's also one short story - in "The Primarchs" I think - where Omegon and several Alpha Legionnaires are going after an operative, and they all have some sort of holo-cloaking devices that makes them look like normal humans in clothing, rather than power-armored marines. It would be cool though if Alpharius came with a more normal-sized marine figure, maybe with only slight AL-type scales/embellishments on the armor, to represent his "hidden" form.

**BrookM**

I think his jump pack has wings.

**ImAGeek**

Yeah it does.

**Formosa**

Imagine wings like archangel from xmen, all metal and killy.

**ImAGeek**

Like this:

Spoiler:

**Dakkafang Dreggrim**

Has their been any news on IA8?

That books been gone for a bit and be nice to get an update

**Yodhrin**

Caederes wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, literally nobody gets to moan about their Primarchs being underpowered or whatever, because at least FW didn't start this entire shindig literally at the moment in the background when yours was(newly, remember in the old fluff he was just "missing" like Vulkan, who somehow came out of that state as being literally unkillable...*eyebrow*) unceremoniously fething beheaded.

One book. We got one damn campaign book with Ferrus as an actual thing, and going forward the Iron Hands, as well as apparently never getting our own Heresy novel, will only even be mentioned as part of this "Shattered Legions" thing, where the Heresy writers both FW and BL have decided we have to be "fixed" by learning how to fight like Salamanders and Raven Guard.

So yeah, complaining your Primarch is marginally less effective in close combat against another is, IMO, the First World Problems of the Heresy - be happy you have a Primarch you can actually use in your games.

Also, there's nothing stopping you from using Ferrus in your games unless you are explicitly playing a post Istvaan campaign game where your group rules he isn't allowed for fluff reasons, or am I missing something?

So, most Heresy games then? My point exactly.

**Caederes**

@Yodhrin, if that's seriously the case then you should chat with your group about letting you use Ferrus' more. Most 30K games I see still allow for players to use characters even if they are dead, the narrative driven post-Istvaan campaigns that disallow Ferrus aren't that common AFAIK. That sounds more like your group is being unfair to you then.

**shade1313**

Yep. Some groups aren't really worth staying with.

**Looky Likey**

I'd have to be playing a proper post Istvaan campaign to disallow Ferrus, are you playing a campaign?

I'm hoping when they release the rules for Omegon you can take the twins as one LoW slot.

**nullBolt**

FW just updated all the weapon models and released a bunch of big preorder bundles with them.

**BrookM**

They also upped the prices of the packs. It's just 50p from the ones I bought previously, but it's still an increase.

**Looky Likey**

Three new bundles on pre order:
Rapid Onslaught Force

The Rapid Onslaught Force includes a Thunderhawk gunship; twenty Space Marines in MkIII ‘Iron Armour’; twenty Umbra Ferrox pattern bolters; a Relic Contemptor Dreadnought; a Contemptor pattern close combat fist; and a Contemptor pattern Heavy Bolter.

£550

Boarding Assault Force

The Boarding Assault Force includes a Caestus Assault Ram and ten Legion MkIII Breacher Siege Marines armed with boarding shields and Phobos pattern bolters as well as two optional lascutters; two breaching charges; and two graviton guns.

£165

ARMOURED INCURSION FORCE

This bundle includes a Spartan Assault Tank and a compliment of ten space Marines in Tartaros pattern Terminator armour, armed with power fists, power swords, storm bolters, heavy flamers and optional chainfist attachments.

£170

**Talys**

The weapon kits are pretty cool

Though the ones that are plastic in Calth will be a tougher sell.

**zedmeister**

Talys wrote:
The weapon kits are pretty cool Though the ones that are plastic in Calth will be a tougher sell.

Aye, problem is, there's not enough of them!

**Kid_Kyoto**

nullBolt wrote:
FW just updated all the weapon models and released a bunch of big preorder bundles with them.

Sorry if I'm late to this party but HH marines can take assault cannons?

I thought Assault cannons were post-heresy, that's why Chaos marines get reaper autocannons.

**beast_gts**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sorry if I'm late to this party but HH marines can take assault cannons?

I thought Assault cannons were post-heresy, that's why Chaos marines get reaper autocannons.

It's a Rotor Cannon, "the forebear of the later assault cannon".

Automatically Appended Next Post:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Rotor-Cannon-Set-2015

**zedmeister**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I thought Assault cannons were post-heresy, that's why Chaos marines get reaper autocannons.

Well, Blood Angels and Imperial Fists have access to the prototype Illastus Pattern Assault Cannon as part of their lists.

**beast_gts**

zedmeister wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I thought Assault cannons were post-heresy, that's why Chaos marines get reaper autocannons.

Well, Blood Angels and Imperial Fists have access to the prototype Illastus Pattern Assault Cannon as part of their lists.

And Contemptors can take the Kheres Assault Cannon.

**bubber**

BrookM wrote:
They also upped the prices of the packs. It's just 50p from the ones I bought previously, but it's still an increase.

2.5p a hand - I'm OK with this.

**shade1313**

beast_gts wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Sorry if I'm late to this party but HH marines can take assault cannons?

I thought Assault cannons were post-heresy, that's why Chaos marines get reaper autocannons.

It's a Rotor Cannon, "the forebear of the later assault cannon".

Automatically Appended Next Post:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-Rotor-Cannon-Set-2015

IIRC, weren't the previous version of rotor cannons a 4 barreled setup, rather than the 6?

Edit:

Nope. I don't know why I had that impression, but a quick look through Google images informs me I was wrong.

**Brennonjw**

I may have missed the conversation, but how do these work with both resin and plastic marines? are they redoing all the resin marines without hands? I mean it's great that their working with Calth, but kinda crappy unless you LOVE MK IV. Also, their no longer selling MK IV and non-legion MK III, so updates or just "go use calth or the other kind of MK III?"

**beast_gts**

Brennonjw wrote:
I may have missed the conversation, but how do these work with both resin and plastic marines? are they redoing all the resin marines without hands? I mean it's great that their working with Calth, but kinda crappy unless you LOVE MK IV. Also, their no longer selling MK IV and non-legion MK III, so updates or just "go use calth or the other kind of MK III?"

The Assault & Despoiler squads already have separate hands, so hopefully the 'normal'ones are next.
They're dropping the older, non-Legion versions of the Armour packs.

**Brennonjw**

beast_gts wrote:
Brennonjw wrote:
I may have missed the conversation, but how do these work with both resin and plastic marines? are they redoing all the resin marines without hands? I mean it's great that their working with Calth, but kinda crappy unless you LOVE MK IV. Also, their no longer selling MK IV and non-legion MK III, so updates or just "go use calth or the other kind of MK III?"

The Assault & Despoiler squads already have separate hands, so hopefully the 'normal'ones are next.
They're dropping the older, non-Legion versions of the Armour packs.

Yeah, well, maybe I'm impatient/cranky that all my handless bits are now a bit useless

And yeah, I spoke to soon on the armor marks

**ImAGeek**

Also it's super easy to just cut the hand off the arm. Just use a sharp knife of clippers at the cuff and you're sorted.

**Erren**

Why oh why did they put the non-Legion Tartaros terminators in that bundle? Are they trying to sell off stock so they can just have the Legion ones and nothing else?

**BrookM**

Tartaros are also Heresy-era.