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Erren wrote:
Why oh why did they put the non-Legion Tartaros terminators in that bundle? Are they trying to sell off stock so they can just have the Legion ones and nothing else?

Possibly because it was easier, as those sets come with weapons?

So are we looking at another MK armor release from GW sometime soon? If they are trying to dump off non-legion armor it makes sense to think GW will be attempting to take on non-legion style armor. All of the BaC armor is non-legion.

They pumped out those weapon updates really fast.

I feel like plastic MK3 could be fairly likely in the near future. With possibly boarding shielding included.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 nullBolt wrote:

Sorry if I'm late to this party but HH marines can take assault cannons?

Um, those are Goto-pattern Multi-Lazors...

 BrotherGecko wrote:
So are we looking at another MK armor release from GW sometime soon? If they are trying to dump off non-legion armor it makes sense to think GW will be attempting to take on non-legion style armor. All of the BaC armor is non-legion.

They pumped out those weapon updates really fast.

I feel like plastic MK3 could be fairly likely in the near future. With possibly boarding shielding included.

If they do 10 boarding marines for £30 I'd be happy.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Um, those are Goto-pattern Multi-Lazors...

Those are Salamanders not Mantis Warriors

Sorry but what is the difference between legion and non-legion armor marks?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
So are we looking at another MK armor release from GW sometime soon? If they are trying to dump off non-legion armor it makes sense to think GW will be attempting to take on non-legion style armor. All of the BaC armor is non-legion.

They pumped out those weapon updates really fast.

I feel like plastic MK3 could be fairly likely in the near future. With possibly boarding shielding included.

How are they non legion in calth? the non-legion Marks had the aquilla on it, none of the calth stuff has aquillas

I'm guessing he means not legion-specific. "Non-legion" is the wrong term because it suggests it's armour the legions wouldn't wear.

 Brennonjw wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
So are we looking at another MK armor release from GW sometime soon? If they are trying to dump off non-legion armor it makes sense to think GW will be attempting to take on non-legion style armor. All of the BaC armor is non-legion.

They pumped out those weapon updates really fast.

I feel like plastic MK3 could be fairly likely in the near future. With possibly boarding shielding included.

How are they non legion in calth? the non-legion Marks had the aquilla on it, none of the calth stuff has aquillas

The non-legion mk4 has no markings on it. The legion mk4 has legion era markings on it.

BaC has no markings of any kind specific to era so its non-legion style.

It's mostly a case of whether or not the suit of armour displays an Aquila.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Um, those are Goto-pattern Multi-Lazors...

Those are Salamanders not Mantis Warriors

Sorry, but those are actually Alpha Legionnaires in disguise!


Scary thought: FW decides to make a Goto-pattern Land Raider twin Multi-Lazors sponsons and a twin Multi-Lazor turret... Then Ward does the rules for it.

I don't think either of those gentlemen are still around in any capacity to make that happen so...

...back on topic!

I'm curious as to when the Auxilia Medicae Orderlies will pop up though.

To clarify:

Forgeworld originally did packs like this to represent older armour - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/MKII-Crusade-Armour

When 30k became a thing they redid them into Legion versions like this - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKII-Crusade-Armour

The original had two different legs and arms, whereas the Legion ones are all unique (I think).

Yeah the non legion sets had one arm pose and 2 leg poses in the set, while the legion sets had 5 arm poses and 5 leg poses in the set, as well as some extra detail on the models like different heads and rivets and stuff.

 BrookM wrote:
Tartaros are also Heresy-era.

The kit in the bundle is the version with Cruz Terminatii on the shoulder pads though. Requires filing off if you are so inclined (which I am, I got them because they were cheaper for 5 with the load-out I wanted). As it happens, all current Terminator patterns including the plastic GW Indomitus pattern Terminators are Heresy era, it is just the Crux Terminatus on the shoulders which is the issue. Well, and the Aquilas for those traitorous scum out there, or for less honoured veterans...

Weren't aquilas pretty damn rare even among veterans in most legions? I can't see some unit of 1Ksons termies for example running around with an aquila on their chest each, from what I recall from the novels.

Caederes wrote:
@Yodhrin, if that's seriously the case then you should chat with your group about letting you use Ferrus' more. Most 30K games I see still allow for players to use characters even if they are dead, the narrative driven post-Istvaan campaigns that disallow Ferrus aren't that common AFAIK. That sounds more like your group is being unfair to you then.

It's nothing to do with them being unfair to me, the whole reason I joined the group in the first place was the high proportion of fluff gamers like myself who enjoy narrative campaigns. I could probably arrange some meaningless(story wise) Battle for Planet Bowling Ball matchup and use Ferrus if I wanted to, but then why bother playing Heresy? And if I did that, that's a whole game night we could have been playing a campaign game, so I'm asking someone else in the group to give up their night of entertainment to indulge me, just so I can use my Primarch - that seems selfish to me. My point stands, because none of the other Legions have to bother considering stuff like this.

Let's be honest, though. Whether it's the older fluff, where his fate was unknown for certain, but he DID disappear and play no further role in the Heresy, or the current fluff, which is at least 8 years old at this point and he was beheaded, you chose the legion with the dead or absent primarch. What is forgeworld to do, bring him back just so that the IH players out there can soothe their feels at not being able to include a primarch in most battles?

shade1313 wrote:
Let's be honest, though. Whether it's the older fluff, where his fate was unknown for certain, but he DID disappear and play no further role in the Heresy, or the current fluff, which is at least 8 years old at this point and he was beheaded, you chose the legion with the dead or absent primarch. What is forgeworld to do, bring him back just so that the IH players out there can soothe their feels at not being able to include a primarch in most battles?

They could just always model him without a head.

 Zuul wrote:

shade1313 wrote:
Let's be honest, though. Whether it's the older fluff, where his fate was unknown for certain, but he DID disappear and play no further role in the Heresy, or the current fluff, which is at least 8 years old at this point and he was beheaded, you chose the legion with the dead or absent primarch. What is forgeworld to do, bring him back just so that the IH players out there can soothe their feels at not being able to include a primarch in most battles?

They could just always model him without a head.

Ferrus Manus: 25 points. Battlefield debris. etc.

shade1313 wrote:
Let's be honest, though. Whether it's the older fluff, where his fate was unknown for certain, but he DID disappear and play no further role in the Heresy, or the current fluff, which is at least 8 years old at this point and he was beheaded, you chose the legion with the dead or absent primarch. What is forgeworld to do, bring him back just so that the IH players out there can soothe their feels at not being able to include a primarch in most battles?

What, you mean like Vulkan, the other "missing" Primarch in the older fluff, who was not only brought back(twice) in the new version but was made immortal? I'm not ragging on FW for the decisions of the BL guys who, like the main GW studio, seemingly lack anyone who gives even the slightest, tiniest gak about the Iron Hands and so are happy to use them as a punching bag or plot device for the benefit of the other Legions, they were the ones who decided that Ferrus would be unambiguously killed off in the very first actual conflict of the Heresy and that we wouldn't even get our own novel as compensation. My comment was aimed at players who moan that their Primarch is incrementally less capable in close combat than another Primarch - the point being, be thankful you* get an effing Primarch you can use and stop yer complainin'.

*plural, nonspecific.

EDIT: And I didn't choose anything mate, I've been playing Iron Hands in one form or another since the 3rd Edition IA article was in White Dwarf, and the new Heresy fluff is just one wet steamy turd in a long line of wet steamy turds GW has flung at them.

And like I said, I don't play Imperial Fists. My opinion - coming from a neutral perspective - is that Dorns' rules are disappointing, and I wasn't restricting that opinion to just his melee capabilities as you infer. You're the one that jumped down my throat for offering this opinion. I do apologize for going way off topic in this thread and I do feel sorry for you obviously as not being able to use your Primarch in your group would no doubt be frustrating.

On topic, those Rotor Cannons look awesome! May have to get some for my eventual Blood Angel army.

You can use your primarch, only thing stopping you is your game group. What is the point of playing the campaign if you aren't writing an alternate history to see how the heresy would go with your group in command of the battles?

If he did die first game for you, that stinks. But it certainly isn't forgeworld's fault.

I always said the Ferrus manus model needed head popping action.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
You can use your primarch, only thing stopping you is your game group. What is the point of playing the campaign if you aren't writing an alternate history to see how the heresy would go with your group in command of the battles?

If he did die first game for you, that stinks. But it certainly isn't forgeworld's fault.

So, you didn't bother learning to read in school then?

EVERYONE - RULE #1.

I've only just got here so - Heck those FW models are gorgeous - I'm not a fan of Ravenguard but those look awesome

Crazyterran wrote:I always said the Ferrus manus model needed head popping action.

This is what magnets are for...

 Yodhrin wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
You can use your primarch, only thing stopping you is your game group. What is the point of playing the campaign if you aren't writing an alternate history to see how the heresy would go with your group in command of the battles?

If he did die first game for you, that stinks. But it certainly isn't forgeworld's fault.

So, you didn't bother learning to read in school then?

I read just fine. If someone wants to play the missions to their exact forgone conclusion they CANNOT be upset when they buy a model for a character they knew would die.

If nobody died till the last book, nothing would matter before it, that would make for a very crappy storyline. Also, it is a bit annoying that more primarch DIDN'T die. The whole "missing until needed" trope is lame and overused.