[Modiphius] Fallout: Wasteland Warfare - Liberty Prime Incoming! p.53

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**Geifer**

Happy to hear that. It's true, for a horde faction the duplicates would have stood out even worse. Glad there will be more sculpts.

I don't think anybody realistically expects that every single model is entirely unique. as you say, practicality and all that. But the Raiders felt like they got worse treatment than the other factions such as BoS that has plenty of unique sculpts among their what, ten or so unnamed models?

I think it's not something you want to do, making it appear as if a faction that people may enjoy is a dedicated NPC faction and doesn't need as much love as the poster boys.

Plus with a good number of base sculpts there's plenty of added variety in conversions and kitbashs.

Looking forward to seeing more. That there Raider, who shall henceforth be known as Machete Man, looks promising.

**ch4ncy**

i got to play fallout this weekend, played 5 won 5!
however couple of things have confused me:
1. there is a tutorial mission that gives settlers grenades, however the settlers have no grenade/throw ability - is this a mistake?
2. More frustrating for the owner of the starter set, there is a starter set mission that calls for 4 super mutants, 1 more super mutant model than come with the starter set.

Apart from that working out how the deathclaw attacks was complicated but we think we got there in the end. everything else was great and a lot of fun, I am looking forward to mine turning up and learning about solo/co-op and settlements

**str00dles1**

@ JohnWebb

Any chance for single models being sold in the near future?

I play brotherhood of steel and looking to make them feel more elite, AKA I just want dudes in power armor. Currently can only have 4. Rather not buy a box set just for one guy!

**JonWebb**

str00dles1 wrote:
@ JohnWebb

Any chance for single models being sold in the near future?

I play brotherhood of steel and looking to make them feel more elite, AKA I just want dudes in power armor. Currently can only have 4. Rather not buy a box set just for one guy!

I’d imagine we will get these on as webstore items in time (like we do for Trek). Getting the product out at all is the current effort of course...

We do have boxes of pure Power Armour coming too, if that helps.

**Geifer**

ch4ncy wrote:
2. More frustrating for the owner of the starter set, there is a starter set mission that calls for 4 super mutants, 1 more super mutant model than come with the starter set.

I believe this was stated to be a mistake that will get an errata to bring down the number of Super Mutants to what is in the box.

JonWebb wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
@ JohnWebb

Any chance for single models being sold in the near future?

I play brotherhood of steel and looking to make them feel more elite, AKA I just want dudes in power armor. Currently can only have 4. Rather not buy a box set just for one guy!

I’d imagine we will get these on as webstore items in time (like we do for Trek). Getting the product out at all is the current effort of course...

We do have boxes of pure Power Armour coming too, if that helps.

You do? Nice. I should check on occasion Especially since this means I can get an eventual Seven of Nine (and the Doctor) without having to get the other losers from Voyager.

Unless you're cool and make a drone Seven of Nine in a Borg set, too. I'll always buy more Borg.

**str00dles1**

JonWebb wrote:
str00dles1 wrote:
@ JohnWebb

Any chance for single models being sold in the near future?

I play brotherhood of steel and looking to make them feel more elite, AKA I just want dudes in power armor. Currently can only have 4. Rather not buy a box set just for one guy!

I’d imagine we will get these on as webstore items in time (like we do for Trek). Getting the product out at all is the current effort of course...

We do have boxes of pure Power Armour coming too, if that helps.

Guess I will wait for pure power armor box then! Great news. thanks for the info!!

**Siygess**

So my retail pre-order just arrived and I put down a few minis to see how things played out. Things went pretty smoothly (so... many.. tiny.. tokens..) and I already put in an order for some expansions, but one thing I wasn't clear on - when shooting into close combat, does the -2 cover penalty still apply if the (intended) target was getting cover from an enemy model it is engaged with, negated by the +2 bonus for shooting at a big pile of people, or do you ONLY get the +2 bonus? It seems like the latter, but I wasn't sure.

Then once you land a hit and determine who in the melee actually took the bullet, do they get the +1 armour bonus if they are in cover from the incoming shot because of an enemy model in the melee?

E.g. the Sole Survivor is engaged with a Hound, and standing behind the Hound is a Super Mutant with a pipe rifle. If he shoots into melee, hits, and the random target is the Sole Survivor, does the Sole Survivor get +1 armour as the Hound is blocking LoC.

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I am also a little bit confused by the Presence skill, which is listed next to the SPECIAL stats as if you will test on one of them in order to use it (unlike Awareness, which is in the lower left corner of the unit cards) but unlike Battle Cry (the other skill listed next to the SPECIAL stats) there is no generic ability that everybody with the Presence skill can perform.

Instead it seems to 'only' influence the range of aura abilities that most models don't actually have.

**Vmag**

Siygess, those are good questions regarding shooting into melee. I’d suggest posting this on BoardGameGeek for F:WW as the game designer has answered a few other questions there. For the Presence skill, I think that is also the distance that a unit can share our items. So if one unit had a Stimpak and presence of orange, they could distribute that to any friendly within orange and LoS. May not be the only use of Presence but it is something.

**warl0rdb0b**

@ JohnWebb
Are we likely to see a generic dog set at some point? I'd love to able to add a small pack to my Survivor group as a screen force for Battle mode but would rather not have to use multiple Dogmeats.

**ZebioLizard2**

warl0rdb0b wrote:
@ JohnWebb
Are we likely to see a generic dog set at some point? I'd love to able to add a small pack to my Survivor group as a screen force for Battle mode but would rather not have to use multiple Dogmeats.

I imagine once we hit generic raiders we'll start seeing more normal dog's come in.

**AegisGrimm**

I just watched the Lets Play episode with Fallout, and it looks pretty fun, but boy does this game have a really high cardboard density! Especially the tons of tokens that look like they need to be constantly manipulated.

At the very least the resin expansions look impressive.

**Maddok_Death**

For battle the tokens dont get bothersome, there is just a couple that will be used Objectives, crits, and Ready status tokens are the ones I can think off hand. For solo or campaign for the AI is when it gets interesting.

**Vmag**

Siygess wrote:

Then once you land a hit and determine who in the melee actually took the bullet, do they get the +1 armour bonus if they are in cover from the incoming shot because of an enemy model in the melee?

E.g. the Sole Survivor is engaged with a Hound, and standing behind the Hound is a Super Mutant with a pipe rifle. If he shoots into melee, hits, and the random target is the Sole Survivor, does the Sole Survivor get +1 armour as the Hound is blocking LoS

Pg17 “Models on the shooter’s one side do not give cover...”. In your example then the super mutant would just have the +2 to hit the melee. If the Survivor was randomly selected there is no additional effect.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

anyone know any good painting guides for Brotherhood of Steel paladins?

**JonWebb**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
warl0rdb0b wrote:
@ JohnWebb
Are we likely to see a generic dog set at some point? I'd love to able to add a small pack to my Survivor group as a screen force for Battle mode but would rather not have to use multiple Dogmeats.
I imagine once we hit generic raiders we'll start seeing more normal dog's come in.

Generic/guard dog models are on the to do list for sure.

**ch4ncy**

I have a great dog model to use for this purpose, A rottweiler with a gas mask on and mandatory spiky collar. got from bad roll games punkapocalpse range

I just need to find a pug model or 2 now.

**JonWebb**

ch4ncy wrote:
I have a great dog model to use for this purpose, A rottweiler with a gas mask on and mandatory spiky collar. got from bad roll games punkapocalpse range

I just need to find a pug model or 2 now.

Froggles (a French Bulldog in goggles and bandana) is so on my want list for sure...

**ch4ncy**

JonWebb wrote:
ch4ncy wrote:
I have a great dog model to use for this purpose, A rottweiler with a gas mask on and mandatory spiky collar. got from bad roll games punkapocalpse range

I just need to find a pug model or 2 now.

Froggles (a French Bulldog in goggles and bandana) is so on my want list for sure...

Jon.....I am trusting you to make this happen. Don't destroy my dreams dude.

**Eisley**

ch4ncy wrote:
i got to play fallout this weekend, played 5 won 5!
1. there is a tutorial mission that gives settlers grenades, however the settlers have no grenade/throw ability - is this a mistake?

This was a typo. The grenades should be equipped by Sole Survivor. (If the Settlers had them, the only way to use them was for Sole Survivor could have used them via 'Sharing' so that was possible but not intentional.)

**Salad_Fingers**

Both the store I ordered with (The Outpost) and my FLGS in Lincoln are still waiting for the preorders, therefore I am still waiting for my stuff.

Has anyone heard about how the orders out to shops are going? I have noticed some stores have had a decent stock available for order for days now (wayland for one)

**Geifer**

Last week's hipping update had this to say:

SHIPPING NEWS

This week we've taken delivery of a huge amount of the outstanding resin expansions for those tricky sets - the Rad Roaches, Feral Ghouls, Assaultrons, Protectrons & Eyebot, Sentry Bots, Robot Core Boxes, Heavy Consoles, Vault Tec Supplies and Turrets.

We're still due to get Rad Scorpions, Deathclaws, more Robots Core boxes, Creature Core Sets, Nuka Cola Machines, Radioactive Containers, and Terminals in the next couple of days. Finally the outstanding sets, the main Wasteland Starter Scenic Sets start arriving on Friday but in staggered deliveries. The problematic model has been the car, wonderful as it is, the factory currently have two hundred, yes 200 moulds running producing the car and it's taken a long time to get those moulds produced and running correctly. As a mould only lasts for about 50 uses that's a lot of new moulds that need making just for the model alone. We're already looking at alternative ways of making larger items for future waves so the factory can focus on producing the main faction sets in volume and reduce delays.

This week we aim to get as many of the outstanding orders out from the March 1st cutoff that were waiting on the assorted sets that arrived this week. That includes those with resin starter sets. There is new stock arriving every 2-3 days across the whole range so there will be rolling waves of shipments and we hope to get to the orders placed since March 1st very soon.

We're emailing those with Vault Tec Complete Bundles separately so if you're waiting on that look out for a separate email for a specific update for you.

Support has been swamped with emails asking about order status, so please be patient as we work our way through them - typically it can take 48 hours to reply.

If you supported the pre-order through your retailer here's an update:

EUROPE: All priority European distributor pre-orders have shipped or are shipping tomorrow. We expect retailers to be receiving stock through next week for pre-orders. We'll be working on getting those distributors orders prepped who didn't make the cut-off as soon as all priority orders have shipped. Non-priority orders will then be fulfilled in date order as quickly as supplies allow.

NORTH AMERICA: Impressions our US warehouse says they expect retailers to receive product on or around the 18th September (it is dependant on the distributor).

REST OF THE WORLD. Further afield, places like Australia are being processed and it will depend on the individual distributor's shipping preference how soon their arrive. We'll update this as we know shipments go.

Again please remember some distributors did not get their orders in before the cut-off date and so we're having to prioritise those that did first. This maybe reflected in the estimated arrival dates given by your store but we will be doing our best to get those stocks out as quickly as we can.

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Salad_Fingers wrote:
I have noticed some stores have had a decent stock available for order for days now (wayland for one)

Yeah, today I ordered a couple of BoSholes from Wayland to convert. I wonder whether they'll be here before or after my main order from Modiphius.

Stores have the same problems as direct orders from what I gather: If they ordered before the cut-off date, they get their stock minus what isn't there (robots and cars), and because Modiphius is determined to fulfill priority orders first before supplying regular stock, stores that ordered later suffer delays on everything because priority orders cannot be fully fulfilled. That's my understanding anyway. Might be off, though. I'm losing track a bit of what's going on. There should be another update today that may shed more light on the situation.

**Psychopomp**

I'm getting super confused by all the back-and-forth on shipping, and how hard it is to differentiate between "retail stock" and "retail pre-orders" in all this mess. And now Miniature Market is showing out-of-stock on their pre-orders!

I wasn't financially able to pre-order, but the first paychecks from a new job are rolling in and things are good again. But my question is, "When will someone who didn't pre-order be able to get this game already?"

**Geifer**

Chris Birch posted an update yesterday that may answer your question (quoted below).

The thing that apparently caused the biggest confusion is that Modiphius uses an outside warehouse to handle their stock and shipping, and because of this wasn't familiar exactly how they would handle their pre-orders. The order was jumbled and not the way Modiphius intended.

To my knowledge there is no regular retail stock out there. If a store has product, it's because they pre-order from Modiphius directly or through a distributor. Obviously stores could place pre-orders with projected numbers, not what they actually had from people placing pre-orders with them. Which allows some stores to have stock on the shelves now.

When you will get something depends on where you are. British stores had stock a week or two ago. My go to German stores got theirs this week, one on Monday and the other yesterday. I'm not following the US side specifically, so this may not be entirely accurate, but I think the US date for pre-order stock to go on retail is September 18. As this is handled through one or more distributors and there was a delay at customs, I'm not sure how fixed that date is.

PRIORITY SHIPPING UPDATE. hi there I'll be sending this out on email tomorrow, it's been a long and frustrating day so bear with me - I'm still in the office resolving this at 9.30pm.

In short

-The warehouse weren't able to ship 100-150 orders per day as they informed us, the complexity of the big bundles reduced this to 50. As a result our estimate of completing the priority orders by middle of the week was incorrect. **This isn't there fault** they were shipping this many previously but the big bundles proved a lot more complicated and with the problems with their outage (below) this didn't get communicated to us due to the massive problems this caused them. They were back up and running on Thursday but had a huge backlog for all their customers. They're hoping to free up some extra people next week from other clients shipments to assist us getting the priority orders completed, and we've suggested bringing a team down to mass pick enough orders to speed that up. It's an extremely busy warehouse and with their health & safety regulations this may not be possible but we're looking at all options.

- The warehouse's software (disconnect on their primary dataserver for those who want to know) went down on wednesday causing a big backlog with ours and other clients shipments.

- With so many people saying they ordered day 1 (when we had a huge surge) we investigated on thursday to check if anything odd was happening. We learned more details on how the warehouse software is working which we hadn't known till now. If orders were coming through a webstore with live stock as they do normally for us, it would deal with them in date order but the Fallout pre-orders were downloaded in bulk date groups to avoid causing a blockage in the system and ensure priority were dealt with first. When we gave them the data for October-March we have found it didn't deal with everything in order date, it grabbed blocks of orders by type of courier. This makes sense for the warehouse as you're doing a whole batch of one courier, then a whole batch of post office but not in this particular case where date order was important for us. It's meant a lot of people who ordered early were for some reason sitting in the system till late.

**We've taken action to rectify this** - we're finding the orders in the system that still haven't been shipped that were made in the first day, and first week and pushing them to the front of the queue next week. This is complicated - it's not a simple check box or button and has to be done carefully to avoid causing problems with the data. We sorted out 28 of those from day 1 which were picked today but won't actually ship till monday. If you're still waiting from the first week we will get to you and get your orders out first next week.

Currently the warehouse were down to 198 Vault Tec bundles remaining. This means 573 Vault Tec bundles have shipped, let alone the rest of the massive numbers of pre-orders. There are only 17 Vault Dweller bundles remaining to ship and the rest are smaller starter bundles or just orders with a couple of items. As mentioned above we're looking at options to get these out as fast as humanly possible next week and I'll update you about that end of play Monday.

- As soon as we clear the last of the priority orders the secondary orders (made after March 1st) will be added to the system - we'll burn through these as quickly as possibly (and will also use whatever options we can to help push them through fast as well - we know you've been waiting a long time too) but i'll give you an update on that as soon as the priority clears the system.

- Finally something fun, I have added a batch of 5 free PDF missions which are included in the retail boxes, we decided to release these earlier for you rather than hold them back. There's another batch to come. You can grab them here https://www.modiphius.com/fallout-downloads.html

You'll also find the Settlement sheet there too in both normal pdf and form fillable versions.

Please note all new orders for bundles or the Two Player Starter set now don't ship until early December once the new stock arrives from China, and we've taken the decision NOT to sell the game at either Tabletop Gaming Live or Essen Spiele until we know every pre-order has shipped.

For those orders placed after the close of the pre-order through to 10th September that are over £120 we're still going to include a Nuka Cola girl since they will also have to wait longer for shipments and it seemed only fair.

We had a big meeting today to make sure we don't repeat this - the good thing that's come out of this is with the massive retail demand means we can begin exploring hard plastics for some of the later sets in 2019 such as the Institute which would speed up production of core sets, and focus on the key resin production . It's a LONG process so watch this space, we will still be producing expansion/character sets in resin.

Sorry for the long painful post and I know those waiting are bored of hearing about delays - seriously I am having to give them, but I hope the above makes it clear where we are and we're taking action to get those orders out and get a better solution for the long term. As ever I'll be here to answer questions - heading home now though so answers might be tomorrow.

**angel of death 007**

The store I ordered from in January doesn't have their pre orders yet. So i wouldn't count anytime soon. Actually I am not sure anyone in the US except maybe those that ordered direct from the company and paid the rediculous shipping cost, maybe they got their stuff, I can't answer that. It doesn't sound like any of the main online US based retailers have seen it. Makes it hard to get excited about the next releases when everytime I call my US retailer he says he has no idea when they will get their preorder stuff. Even though they took my money in January. I don't think I can get behind another indecisive guess style release and be wrong by a landslide again. Reminds me of Raging Heros Kick starters all over again, except atleast with kickstarter you expect huge delays but you get the value that atleast helps to justify the pain a bit (though raging heroes almost took me out of ever backing kickstarters again).

Shame on you Modiphius, please get yourself together before you do another preorder and have a legitimate release date, you are almost as bad as a weather man in predicting next weeks weather. Being off by a few weeks is acceptable, being off by numerous months not acceptable. Even now the answer to when there will be retail sets is anyone's guess as there seems to be no answer. So please don't do another preorder until you get your house in order.

**Psychopomp**

I guess it's just as well that I couldn't pre-order. I'll pay the money when I can finally get the things, I guess.

**ZebioLizard2**

I'm still waiting to see all the cards on the site personally. I want to see what to play around with before spending.

**DarkTraveler777**

My excitement for the game has dropped substantially from when it was first announced, and seeing the gorgeous models popping up on Facebook and knowing they are still unavailable at retail is sapping my remaining enthusiasm.

Still, the models are what I want, and when they eventually hit store shelves I'll buy them. I wouldn't dream of pre-ordering with Modipius unless 1) they offered a substantial financial savings to offset potential delays (which they won't do since it would ruin retail pre-orders) or 2) Wave 2's execution is a flawless display of logistical prowess. They need to earn those interest-free loans and from my perspective that trust hasn't been established yet.

**Manchu**

Modiphius’s own webstore lists the starter set as a pre-order shipping early December.

I pre-ordered a large portion of the line through Miniature Market but canceled when it became apparent Modiphius wasn’t going to ship before the end of summer. Now MM shows the entire line as OOS, which is just code for them no longer taking pre-orders. I don’t blame them.

I feel bad for Modiphius. This has been a gak show. I’m not sure the game is any good but the minis look pretty great. The lead-up has been shaky all along and now the launch is completely off the rails. Still, the brand is strong enough that when stuff is available, I hope it does well.

**JimmyWolf87**

Modiphius have said that future waves will be smaller and more manageable on the production side of things (Wave 2 is apparently already going into manufacture now). They do seem to be somewhat victims of their own success in terms of the logistics involved and compounded by having to press external companies and coordinate a lot of moving parts they don't have direct control over.

Long term it's good news; exploring the hard plastic option is potentially a huge plus point and shows that there must be commercial viability for what they want to do. The sheer amount of sculpts already done in advance (about 3-4 More waves already) is a positive sign. Hopefully they can be successful enough that New Vegas is put on the table; that alone would probably be a significant factor in keeping the game going considering how popular it is.

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

So is Wave 2 up for pre-order then? Sorry, I have had a hard time keeping track of things.