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Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

Yup, bit of a nerf to our glorious repressors. But fair I think, I always felt a bit gamey when I fell back with my repressors and then shot with the people inside.

 Kapitan Montag wrote:
Yup, bit of a nerf to our glorious repressors. But fair I think, I always felt a bit gamey when I fell back with my repressors and then shot with the people inside.

I wanted it to go the other way, though. Make Ork trucks and Rhinos shoot like repressors.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I can, but im signed in, sometimes others that are not signed in cant, so hope one of those looks.

Kay. Well if anyone can confirm that it works, let me know. It's kind of a handy way to do it.

I can confirm that your facebook link doesn't work for me. I get redirected to a sign in page. That's Facebook for you.

Us3Less wrote:
I can confirm that your facebook link doesn't work for me. I get redirected to a sign in page. That's Facebook for you.

Do you have a fb account? I was able to see it from a different account that HAS FB, but not signed in or a membe of the FB group. So it probably wants you to sign into your own FBaccount first.

 deviantduck wrote:
Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

Yeah another nerf to the Sisters. I think we all knew it was coming sooner or later. I wish they did it in the last CA instead of waiting. I think the change puts the nail in the coffin on repressors though.

You can always just disembark from the vehicle if you want to shoot despite it falling back.

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

Yeah another nerf to the Sisters. I think we all knew it was coming sooner or later. I wish they did it in the last CA instead of waiting. I think the change puts the nail in the coffin on repressors though.

Eh, they just went from great to good. It's certainly not unfair.

Rynner wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:
Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

Yeah another nerf to the Sisters. I think we all knew it was coming sooner or later. I wish they did it in the last CA instead of waiting. I think the change puts the nail in the coffin on repressors though.

Doesnt seem that bad to me.

Indeed. Repressor is still excellent. It's still the only imperial transport that can be fired out of. It's is a fair move and I wouldn't call it a nerf at all; rather a long overdue clarification.
The Repressor is still going to see a lot of use as it is still a mobile pillbox.

You say nerf, I say:

Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

+1 to BS (from a splashed AOF) is a modifier. right?

Not sure thats a huge buff but yeah thats fair.

Okay had another game with the Sisters o Battle. Short synopsis here:

This was a rematch. He brought Mortarian, Typhus and the boys. The game was far more competitive than the last one we fought.

He brought the heat and killed sisters aplenty. His ability to shirk off damage allowed him to plow into me with his Helbrute, Mortarian and Typhus, but it was far less devastating than it could have been thanks to a Canonss..

The Sisters pummeled the Poxwalkers before that, and his Plague Marines on the left as we pretty much kept moving left to get distance form his other stuff. Helbrute got to mix it up and did some work with that Lascannon and his fists. The Seraphim were used to lock up his Plaguecrawler and take an objective. I ONCE AGAIN forgot to deploy one of my Seraphim. Geez.

HIlites werre that I locked down his Psyker phase hard with the Brazier in both rounds 1 and 2. Big time.. Because of it , Mortarian was slightly less annoying to have to kill, but he's never gone down easy. The Psyker phases were pretty clutch for my Canoness.

Another fun thing happened in the last round when the Exorcists fired 18 shots in one round (and still managed to only kill two Terminators)! That was unheard of, on both ends.

Once Mortarian was down, Typhus was isolated and facing my whole army. He epically took it from them, but Celestine dashed in to finish the job, barely.

Unlike our previous match, where he ended with just a damaged Plagueburst Crawler on the board, he actually did still have a Plague Marine unit, the Plague Crawler, and a terminator left.

Final score was 29-11, Sisters of Battle Victory.

 pretre wrote:
You say nerf, I say:

Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

+1 to BS (from a splashed AOF) is a modifier. right?

Three transports full of melta hitting on 2s and rerolling 1s is no joke... one heck of an alpha strike if it all comes together. That said I might still like them disembarked for the sake of stratagems.

 MacPhail wrote:

 pretre wrote:
You say nerf, I say:

Page 54 – Sororitas Repressor
Change the Firing Ports ability to read:
‘Up to 6 models embarked on this model can attack in
their Shooting phase. Measure the range and draw line
of sight from any point on this model. When they do so,
any restrictions or modifiers that apply to this model
also apply to its passengers; for example, the passengers
cannot shoot if this model has Fallen Back in the same
turn, cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is
within 1” of an enemy unit, and so on.’

+1 to BS (from a splashed AOF) is a modifier. right?

Three transports full of melta hitting on 2s and rerolling 1s is no joke... one heck of an alpha strike if it all comes together. That said I might still like them disembarked for the sake of stratagems.

The rerolling 1s is an aura and not a modifier so I don't think it would apply here.

Out of curiosiy how did that get nerfed? That errata seems pretty standard open topped transport text to me.

Also note that if you do 5 melta doms and an ablative wound in a Repressor, you can target the Repressor with Holy Trinity and the girls inside will have it active, because it's an "If" check modifier that lasts until end of phase, and the Repressor will count as "one model with a flamer in the unit" towards the restriction provided it shot at the same target.

PuppetSoul wrote:
Also note that if you do 5 melta doms and an ablative wound in a Repressor, you can target the Repressor with Holy Trinity and the girls inside will have it active, because it's an "If" check modifier that lasts until end of phase, and the Repressor will count as "one model with a flamer in the unit" towards the restriction provided it shot at the same target.

None of that makes any sense. You can target the repressor with the stratagem. but it doesn't have 3 separate models with bolter, flamer, melta. The strat specifically calls for 3 different models with 3 different guns. It's not the same unit as the unit inside so the repressor and it's transported unit could never count as 1 unit firing at the same target. You could however target a unit next to the repressor and vessels it to the repressor and then to the unit inside. The +1 to wound roll is a modifier.

And indeed stratagems played on vehicle don't affect contents inside. Except for modifiers.

tneva82 wrote:
Out of curiosiy how did that get nerfed? That errata seems pretty standard open topped transport text to me.

Prior to the FAQ, you could fall back with the repressor and still shoot with the girls inside without issue. You could also remain locked in combat with the repressor and still shoot out with the girls at another target. It was certainly powerful and the only transport in the game you could do this with. Now the repressor falls in line with other open topped vehicles such as Trukks and Raiders. So, it went from Great (OP) to Good (Balanced).

Ah well that certainly needed to be changed just for sake of logic. If it makes it too weak then drop point cost or something but some semblance of logic should be with rules.

Good point... can't conflate auras and modifiers. So what are the modifiers? Divine Guidance +1 to hit, Holy Trinity +1 to wound...

 MacPhail wrote:
Good point... can't conflate auras and modifiers. So what are the modifiers? Divine Guidance +1 to hit, Holy Trinity +1 to wound...

I believe so. Step 1 get the AoF off nearby. Step 2 Vessels for 3CP to spread. It'll be fun to do once or twice.

 deviantduck wrote:

PuppetSoul wrote:
Also note that if you do 5 melta doms and an ablative wound in a Repressor, you can target the Repressor with Holy Trinity and the girls inside will have it active, because it's an "If" check modifier that lasts until end of phase, and the Repressor will count as "one model with a flamer in the unit" towards the restriction provided it shot at the same target.

None of that makes any sense. You can target the repressor with the stratagem. but it doesn't have 3 separate models with bolter, flamer, melta. The strat specifically calls for 3 different models with 3 different guns. It's not the same unit as the unit inside so the repressor and it's transported unit could never count as 1 unit firing at the same target. You could however target a unit next to the repressor and vessels it to the repressor and then to the unit inside. The +1 to wound roll is a modifier.

The Repressor doesn't need them, and will not get the +1 to wound for itself because it can't satisfy the restrictions.

The rest of your comment is wrong though. The "modifiers and restrictions" passing is what passes the If check from Holy Trinity into the girls inside, in the same way that it cause them to shoot pistols if the Repressor is in melee: "cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is within 1 of an enemy unit".

If-checks and the current status of those checks applied to the Repressor are carried over to the girls inside, as the girls inside are obviously not in melee, can't fight in melee, and cannot be measured into melee... but they count as being in melee because the Repressor, a different unit, is; despite the rule clearly stating "THAT UNIT" when it references who has to be in melee. So while the Repressor would only be able to satisfy one of the checks from Holy Trinity, Holy Trinity does not "fizzle" if the If check is not satisfied (because it is not part of the requirements for targeting), and that check would pass onto the girls inside who would also be subject to the same If-check.

The only questionable aspect of it is whether the Repressor counting as the flamer model having fired at the same target would pass, as it would technically do so if we use the same logic as being in melee (that the Repressor model is also each model that is firing), but I highly doubt it would be worth the clock time to argue the point.

No. Anyone in a transport is by rule not on the board.

PuppetSoul wrote:
Holy Trinity does not "fizzle" if the If check is not satisfied (because it is not part of the requirements for targeting), and that check would pass onto the girls inside who would also be subject to the same If-check.
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But the stratagem was played on transport. Not unit inside. They are not same unit. Stratagem affecting transport is ignored for the unit inside unless stratagem just gives modifier. The unit inside cannot fullfill the requirements with their gun because they are not affected by stratagem(indeed they are not even on battlefield).

I'd have to say the transport would have to be the target since it's the only thing on the table, and it can't be because you'd need three models with each of the three weapons, and the transport isn't that. If it could be, you could claim the effect spreads to the shooters inside MAYBE... but even that feels a little iffy and I sure wouldn't try it in casual play. Divine Guidance even feels like a stretch, and stratagems just seem like a bridge too far. In general, I just want rules that make the army competitive, feel fluffy, play smoothly, and don't require these kinds of shenanigans. All that said, the Repressor is still a great tank, even post-FAQ, even played without stretching the rules at all. Just shoot your meltas out the window and shock most of your non-tournament-level opponents.

PuppetSoul wrote:

 deviantduck wrote:

PuppetSoul wrote:
Also note that if you do 5 melta doms and an ablative wound in a Repressor, you can target the Repressor with Holy Trinity and the girls inside will have it active, because it's an "If" check modifier that lasts until end of phase, and the Repressor will count as "one model with a flamer in the unit" towards the restriction provided it shot at the same target.

None of that makes any sense. You can target the repressor with the stratagem. but it doesn't have 3 separate models with bolter, flamer, melta. The strat specifically calls for 3 different models with 3 different guns. It's not the same unit as the unit inside so the repressor and it's transported unit could never count as 1 unit firing at the same target. You could however target a unit next to the repressor and vessels it to the repressor and then to the unit inside. The +1 to wound roll is a modifier.

PuppetSoul wrote:
The Repressor doesn't need them, and will not get the +1 to wound for itself because it can't satisfy the restrictions.

Correct. The repressors doesn't get the +1. If the repressor doesn't have the modifier, then how can it pass it to the girls inside?

PuppetSoul wrote:
The rest of your comment is wrong though. The "modifiers and restrictions" passing is what passes the If check from Holy Trinity into the girls inside, in the same way that it cause them to shoot pistols if the Repressor is in melee: "cannot shoot (except with Pistols) if this model is within 1 of an enemy unit".

I agree. The holy trinity modifier would be passed to the girls IF the repressor had it. But it does not because it did not satisfy the 3 models with 3 guns clause.

PuppetSoul wrote:
If-checks and the current status of those checks applied to the Repressor are carried over to the girls inside, as the girls inside are obviously not in melee, can't fight in melee, and cannot be measured into melee... but they count as being in melee because the Repressor, a different unit, is; despite the rule clearly stating "THAT UNIT" when it references who has to be in melee. So while the Repressor would only be able to satisfy one of the checks from Holy Trinity, Holy Trinity does not "fizzle" if the If check is not satisfied (because it is not part of the requirements for targeting), and that check would pass onto the girls inside who would also be subject to the same If-check.

The girls don't count as being in melee. They don't count as anything, they aren't on the board. They are only granted the ability to shoot and the restriction to only fire pistols because the repressor is in melee. I don't know where you're getting the checks part messed up. You use the strat on the repressor. It fails to have 3 models. The strat doesn't do anything. There's nothing to pass.

PuppetSoul wrote:
The only questionable aspect of it is whether the Repressor counting as the flamer model having fired at the same target would pass, as it would technically do so if we use the same logic as being in melee (that the Repressor model is also each model that is firing), but I highly doubt it would be worth the clock time to argue the point.

The repressor and the ladies inside are two completely different units and in no way can combine to satisfy the strat.

You should put this in YMDC so Deathreaper and Baconcatbug can more eloquently explain why it doesn't work.

 MacPhail wrote:
I'd have to say the transport would have to be the target since it's the only thing on the table, and it can't be because you'd need three models with each of the three weapons,

*jazz music stops*

Read the stratagem again. You do not have to meet the requirements to get the +1 in order to use the stratagem, the only requirement you have to meet is shooting with a SoB unit. Second, the stratagem does not grant a modifier: it grants an If-check that has requirements that you have to meet to get +1 to wound until end of phase.

What do you have to meet in order to get +1 to wound? You have to meet a Restriction. Why can't you shoot in melee anymore? Because restrictions affecting the Repressor are now passed to the individual models, not the units, you are choosing to shoot with from inside.

The wording of that obviously creates a lot of interesting interactions, more than just making a loophole for hitting the Repressor with stratagems and applying them to the unit inside, and almost all of those interactions are strictly disadvantageous: the worst one that I can think of off the top of my head is that if the Repressor has a degraded profile, the girls inside suffer the modified ballistic skill. That's something you know now, enjoy.

 MacPhail wrote:

In general, I just want rules that make the army competitive

Every change they've made since releasing the Index, through ignorance or malice, has done the opposite of that.