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Woohoo!!! New #1 pledge day. Over $10,000 today.

Mark Mondragon wrote:I will try to get a stretch goal or two up for you tomorrow… I have some serious number crunching to do tonight and an AM call to China to go over a few things.

He posted the above on the Kickstarter comments. So, that's good! Only problem is, he's west coast time so that's going to be a bit of a wait yet

And we are over 125K!

and there are still quite a few hours until the west coast goes to sleep.

So, anyone here thinking about painting their leviathans in proper Iron-Core faction colours?

Mathieu I have no idea what I'm painting these death machines in color scheme wise. I have so many possibilities...

So about that new "catch all" pledge box, who should be using that?

At present I have my pledge listed at "I Need A Wing Man" as the two Crusaders are the bulk of my pledge. Should I change it? it all gets worked out in the post-KS survey any way no?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
and there are still quite a few hours until the west coast goes to sleep.

So, anyone here thinking about painting their leviathans in proper Iron-Core faction colours?

I'm not sure what proper colors are, it looks like gunmetal and heraldry for the most part from what ive seen (?)

Well, yes, the colours we've seen so far seem to indicate steel and heraldry.

And one thing I am not too sure about: The background mentions the Mortis being the reason Eisenkern still exists 200 years after meeting the Shadokesh (dates approximate) and we can assume the Crusader is also Eisenkern. Seeing as these are tithed to the Brotherhood as well [hello Warzone, I say], but is it fair to assume that the Republic or some wealthy independent would use these as well?

If I were a state at war, I would be leery of selling these to factions who cannot help me survive the invasion of a species bent on my annihilation. Call me conservative.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Well, yes, the colours we've seen so far seem to indicate steel and heraldry.

And one thing I am not too sure about: The background mentions the Mortis being the reason Eisenkern still exists 200 years after meeting the Shadokesh (dates approximate) and we can assume the Crusader is also Eisenkern. Seeing as these are tithed to the Brotherhood as well [hello Warzone, I say], but is it fair to assume that the Republic or some wealthy independent would use these as well?

If I were a state at war, I would be leery of selling these to factions who cannot help me survive the invasion of a species bent on my annihilation. Call me conservative.

I believe it's said in the fluff that ALL the factions almost use Leviathans. I think it'd possibly be Eisenkern's principle export. "We'll give you one... for all this gak we need" "DEAL!"

I'd expect other factions to use Lev's that look vastly different. However Mark has not gotten to the point where he can design them yet being a very small and relatively new company.

All goals met! What do we hope for now? The APC?

Looks like it. Trés cool imho, too.

Although I think it would be sufficient to just be able to pay for all this goodness in tooling etc. without problem.

That is a sweet ride by the looks of that APC!

Yeah it is . Just waiting for Mark to wake up and call his manufacturer...

If not the APC, I'd like to see Mark have a go at a knightly not!Sisters sort of unit. Not that it's likely, of course.

Ok, I'm confusing myself again (big surprise, right? Hey, I'm old). I'm currently in for the "Serious Stompin'" pledge, which I'm going to choose a Mortis for. Now the Mort is a 2nd level item, meaning that I'll need to pay an extra $7.00 for shipping. Do I add that amount to my pledge, or pay it after the survey? This thread and the KS has changed so much and so fast that I can't find the answer to this.

they've got an online calculator here to help you out

http://www.dreamforge-games.com/kickstartshipping/DFCalc.htm

If you're paying shipping as it looks like you are add it to your pledge now

Yes, but I don't think you are entitled to ask for a Mortis at that level.

"Yes! When the Mortis gets unlocked, you can use group pricing (2 or more Leviathan kits pledged) and mix and match between the two Leviathan variants."

From the Q & A section at the bottom of the page.

I may be wrong though.

You can order a single Mortis, he was just clarifying they get group discounts, too.

Also, you only pay extra shipping if you want separate shipments. If all you are ordering will go out, or can be held till, stage 2, then you don't have to pay $7.00, as one shipment is included in the pledge cost.

I have to wait until Friday to pledge, but I'll likely be getting two kits, plus the arm bundle. I can't wait.

 RiTides wrote:
Also, you only pay extra shipping if you want separate shipments. If all you are ordering will go out, or can be held till, stage 2, then you don't have to pay $7.00, as one shipment is included in the pledge cost.

Ah, that's where my confusion was - thank you RiTides. I may yet pledge for infantry, so I needed to get the shipping straight.

Saphos wrote:
Looks like it. Trés cool imho, too.

Although I think it would be sufficient to just be able to pay for all this goodness in tooling etc. without problem.

So I think he's got a nice down payment, but he isn't in the clear by any means. He can manage it, no doubt, but ain't buyin' a Rolls right away.

Personally I think tooling another large kit at this point might not be the best idea. But that's just my opinion. He's already provided so much more than we expected on this. I think he should just ride it out to the end. But that's just me.

Justyn wrote:
I'd expect other factions to use Lev's that look vastly different. However Mark has not gotten to the point where he can design them yet being a very small and relatively new company.

All human factions use the Leviathans, which ones and how many varies by faction. The ones that will be drastically different will be the equivalent war machines from the Shadokesh and Dhar-Hazier.

As far as paint schemes go, from everything that I can tell scanning the Dreamforge forums is coloring varies by faction, house, and pilot.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So I think he's got a nice down payment, but he isn't in the clear by any means. He can manage it, no doubt, but ain't buyin' a Rolls right away.

True, but factor in that the Crusader tools were going to cost $100K, and he was only setting the goal at $30K, should mean that he had another $70K of finance available elsewhere. The Mortis tooling should be slightly cheaper as the developement costs should be slightly lower given the comonality of parts. (Both variants can share weapons/arms, so the connectors must be compatible at the very least, I suspect much more is compatible. However, all the tooling for the troopers, heavy troopers, and APC will also have to be designed then made, and I suspect you are certainly in the right ballpark. Even simple blow moulding tools for things like plastic bottles can cost more than £40K over here, so if anything you may be under-estimating a touch.

Now I don't believe that gives us the expectation that Mark can afford to tool for the current pledges AND the APC. I think the money raised should be enough to set up for the tooling on the Crusader, the stage 1 "Freebies" for the crusader (Excalibur, coolers, and possibly the LH Vulkan), and the basic troops and accessory sprue. The tooling for the stage 2 goodies will likely be financed by the stage 1 sales, and the stage 3 goodies by the continued stage 1 sales, and the new stage 2 sales.

The last thing anyone here wants is for the project to become overstretched trying to meet everyones wants and finding that in the end, just about everything in the first month of sales is 'given away' so far as cash flow is concerned due to it being pre-paid for.

I will be more than delighted to wait say 6 months for an APC kickstarter which could include some of the other Leviathan variants. I would not mind it going straight to retail and the next kickstarter being the Shadokesh or another faction. (Shadokesh seems more likely). Much as I am wanting an APC myself, I hope Mark does not release it too soon. I will still be here, waiting for it, when it does arrive.

There is another thing missing except the APC: Characters!
Mike might add a worthy general or hero in metal or resin. The extra shoulder pads in the command box are not impressive enough.

So I'm going to add a Lev to my Custodes army and my Flesh Tearer army, was thinking of just giving them both Crusaders, however I'm kicking around may be using the mortis for the Flesh Tearers. Just to add a little variety. Any thoughts?

Kroot- I agree command box characters could stick out more. Since they're stage 3, should be time for revision?

Ironicsilence- Mortis for flesh tearers imo

I hope Mark rolls out the Shadokesh next for a strech goal, I agree with Conrad the apc be nice but I can wait, for we need two factions for a system to be viable.

A good point, Mathieu.

So, I personally don´t need further strech goals and hope Mark gets plenty of extra money to make it easier to pay for everything in the long run.

So, what am I able to afford? ^^

No more stretch goals! My wallet can't handle it!

I love all this stuff but had to make hard decisions about what I could afford.

Extra arms or heavy troopers, hmm....

I agree with everyone who is saying that maybe the stretches should stop where they are. Sure I would love to see more stuff but I want to see Mark succeed even more than that!

Special characters are a good idea though, they could be done in metal or resin making them far easier to produce.