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 Frazzled wrote:
You said significant power. You act like Christians are this monolithic group-its impressively ignorant of you.

This is what is called a straw man. I never clained anything close to that. It takes willful ignorance to get that from what I said since I actually said something to the contrary.


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 Stonebeard wrote:

 skyth wrote:
You actually believe a Muslim group has significant political power in the US? Especially comparef to Christianity that has almost 100% of elected politicians belonging to it and half of them belonging to the extremist right wing version?

THE extremist right wing version? Clarify, please.

The Republucans are quite attached to the extremist right wing Christian minority.

 skyth wrote:

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 Stonebeard wrote:

 skyth wrote:
You actually believe a Muslim group has significant political power in the US? Especially comparef to Christianity that has almost 100% of elected politicians belonging to it and half of them belonging to the extremist right wing version?

THE extremist right wing version? Clarify, please.

The Republucans are quite attached to the extremist right wing Christian minority.

Oh wait...


Whew... okay, that's a good one buddy.

 skyth wrote:

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 Stonebeard wrote:

 skyth wrote:
You actually believe a Muslim group has significant political power in the US? Especially comparef to Christianity that has almost 100% of elected politicians belonging to it and half of them belonging to the extremist right wing version?

THE extremist right wing version? Clarify, please.

The Republucans are quite attached to the extremist right wing Christian minority.

That clarifies nothing. Try again. What exactly is 'the extremist right wing version' that approximately 50% of elected officials belong to and what exactly classifies that group as 'extremist right wing'?

Example: Do you mean that they are Baptists? Catholics? Mormons (though there's an argument to be made that they aren't strictly Christian, but that's a different topic)? Are they 'extremist right wing' because they want to burn babies at the stake for gaking in their diapers during mass, or are they 'extremist right wing' because they don't feel that they should be forcing individuals to participate in rituals that said individuals view as sacrilegious?

As soon as you try to force your religious views on other people, you start to become right wing...You have to be living with your head in the sand if you don't see how the Republicans are attached to the religious right. And the loudest ones that they are most attached to are the extremists.

Things have shifted so far to the right in the last decade, that 'mainstream' conservatives are extremists and moderates are the new liberals...

 skyth wrote:
As soon as you try to force your religious views on other people, you start to become right wing...You have to be living with your head in the sand if you don't see how the Republicans are attached to the religious right. And the loudest ones that they are most attached to are the extremists.

Things have shifted so far to the right in the last decade, that 'mainstream' conservatives are extremists and moderates are the new liberals...

So all the militant atheists out there attacking others religious views, trying to assert their own, are right wing?

 skyth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You said significant power. You act like Christians are this monolithic group-its impressively ignorant of you.

This is what is called a straw man. I never clained anything close to that. It takes willful ignorance to get that from what I said since I actually said something to the contrary.

I notice you didn't disagree that you think Christians are some sort of epic monobloc. But you're right. We all have secret meetings where we burn atheists and plot to put the Ten Commandments in courthouse bathrooms.



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 skyth wrote:
As soon as you try to force your religious views on other people, you start to become right wing...You have to be living with your head in the sand if you don't see how the Republicans are attached to the religious right. And the loudest ones that they are most attached to are the extremists.

Things have shifted so far to the right in the last decade, that 'mainstream' conservatives are extremists and moderates are the new liberals...

I noticed you didn't answer the question. If I were you, I'd start looking over your shoulder. You're on our list now. No matter where you go, we'll be watching, watching, watching....

 djones520 wrote:

So all the militant atheists out there attacking others religious views, trying to assert their own, are right wing?

Atheism isn't a religion, but there are plenty of liberal religious people trying to push their views on the conservative ones; Unitarian Universalists come to mind.

 dogma wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

So all the militant atheists out there attacking others religious views, trying to assert their own, are right wing?

Atheism isn't a religion, but there are plenty of liberal religious people trying to push their views on the conservative ones; Unitarian Universalists come to mind.

He didn't say religion, he said religious views.

To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:
Yes. I'm talking about the US

And its not because Christianity is the dominant religion in US - plus they don't behead you for criticizing them?

Only if you're a legally practicing abortion doctor and replace behead with shoot.

I know right! because an abortion doctor was killed all Christians are evil murderers out to impose their beliefs right?

Unabomber-atheist left wing ranter.
shoe bomber-Islam
earth first-all hippy tree huggers
McVeigh-all right wingers
Giffords shooter-all left wingers
Dice Clay-all men
Twilight-all self respecting vampires
Dick Cheney-all criminals named the Penguin.
Ma Barker-all women

Ok I think have most of us covered.

 skyth wrote:
As soon as you try to force your religious views on other people, you start to become right wing...You have to be living with your head in the sand if you don't see how the Republicans are attached to the religious right. And the loudest ones that they are most attached to are the extremists.

Things have shifted so far to the right in the last decade, that 'mainstream' conservatives are extremists and moderates are the new liberals...

Show me where the aforementioned 50% are attempting to enforce polices that mandate all citizens must adhere to Christian religious beliefs. Also, are you saying that volume correlates to level of extremism? Rather than degree of action or belief.

You also skirted around the first question, again. What group do 50% of American elected officials belong to, which is 'extremist right wing'?

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

1) From an historical context, that's largely true.

2) He is a grown man and can make his own arguments.

 Frazzled wrote:
I know right! because an abortion doctor was killed all Christians are evil murderers out to impose their beliefs right?

Unabomber-atheist left wing ranter.
shoe bomber-Islam
earth first-all hippy tree huggers
McVeigh-all right wingers
Giffords shooter-all left wingers
Dice Clay-all men
Twilight-all self respecting vampires
Dick Cheney-all criminals named the Penguin.
Ma Barker-all women

Ok I think have most of us covered.

Divergent - all non-conformists

wait...Dice Clay? Geez, you're old.

If you caught the Dice Clay reference you are too.

 Frazzled wrote:
If you caught the Dice Clay reference you are too.

Well yeah, duh. I woulda gone with Dennis Leary personally....lord of the dance, meister of the dance, furor of the dance...

 agnosto wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
If you caught the Dice Clay reference you are too.

Well yeah, duh. I woulda gone with Dennis Leary personally....lord of the dance, meister of the dance, furor of the dance...

Blasphemer! His "I'm an donkey-cave" song is the ballad for all manly menz everywhere.

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You said significant power. You act like Christians are this monolithic group-its impressively ignorant of you.

This is what is called a straw man. I never clained anything close to that. It takes willful ignorance to get that from what I said since I actually said something to the contrary.

I notice you didn't disagree that you think Christians are some sort of epic monobloc.

So repeating a lie is your way of debating now?


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 dogma wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

So all the militant atheists out there attacking others religious views, trying to assert their own, are right wing?

Atheism isn't a religion, but there are plenty of liberal religious people trying to push their views on the conservative ones; Unitarian Universalists come to mind.

There is a huge difference between 'my religion thinks gays are sinners so let's pass laws to discriminate against them' and 'discrimination based on sexual orientation is wrong'.


And while there are extremist atheists, they don't have an entire political party that 'worships' at their altar...

So answer the question put to you. Which Christians are Da Evilz Right Wingers and which politicians are supporting them?

 djones520 wrote:

He didn't say religion, he said religious views.

Does a person with views on religion necessarily have religious views? I would say no, but that question is probably best left for another thread.

 Frazzled wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
If you caught the Dice Clay reference you are too.

Well yeah, duh. I woulda gone with Dennis Leary personally....lord of the dance, meister of the dance, furor of the dance...

Blasphemer! His "I'm an donkey-cave" song is the ballad for all manly menz everywhere.

Dennis Leary? That massive fraud that stole half his jokes from Bill Hicks, who was dying/dead at the time, and supposedly his friend.

You guys are arguing with someone who says 50% of Christians in the USA are extremists. This same guy posted ITT that hating someone because of their beliefs is NOT bigotry. I have to wonder, are you guys just bored?

 Manchu wrote:
You guys are arguing with someone who says 50% of Christians in the USA are extremists. This same guy posted ITT that hating someone because of their beliefs is NOT bigotry. I have to wonder, are you guys just bored?

Biochem discussion section doesn't start till 11:00 AM.

EDIT: And, honestly, I would like to read the answer.

 Manchu wrote:
You guys are arguing with someone who says 50% of Christians in the USA are extremists. This same guy posted ITT that hating someone because of their beliefs is NOT bigotry. I have to wonder, are you guys just bored?

I dunno. I think we can all feel pretty extreme about stuff sometimes.


Edit: and Soladrin, I don't care where it came from, gack was funny.

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

Huh. I did not know that our current President was such a supporter of right wing extremism.

 Scrabb wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

Huh. I did not know that our current President was such a supporter of right wing extremism.

95% sure Obama's a closeted atheist. Closeted due to career choice.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Scrabb wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

Huh. I did not know that our current President was such a supporter of right wing extremism.

95% sure Obama's a closeted atheist. Closeted due to career choice.

Obama is whatever is politically expedient.

 Stonebeard wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 Scrabb wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

Huh. I did not know that our current President was such a supporter of right wing extremism.

95% sure Obama's a closeted atheist. Closeted due to career choice.

Obama is whatever is politically expedient.

Sure. And since in poll after poll, atheists are shown to be least trusted minority in the country, it's more politically expedient to pretend to be a Christian.

 jasper76 wrote:

 Scrabb wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
To clarify what he was saying...even moderate republicans protect the extremist right wingers ideals such as "the US is a Christian nation" and such.

Huh. I did not know that our current President was such a supporter of right wing extremism.

95% sure Obama's a closeted atheist. Closeted due to career choice.

Why....?

Primarily, all of his proclamations regarding religion seem forced and insincere. And as an atheist who for a period of time was closeted, the type of answers he gives, and his demeanor while giving them, seem very very familiar.

I'm not claiming certainty about Obama and atheism, but rather a strong suspicion.

Eh, I've never been quiet about being an atheist, and most of the people I know are, so even a small amount of religion seems big to me.