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Think about it this way, it's finally something that Christians and Muslims agree on.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Think about it this way, it's finally something that Christians and Muslims agree on.

That is not exactly fair to the vast majority of Christians.

While I'm an equal opportunity type of guy that basically dislikes all religions, if someone is a true Christian that just follows his teachings, then they don't really see themselves in these people! Because Christ was a pretty cool type of guy that just preached love and understanding for EVERYONE (unless you happened to be selling stuff in Church or lending money, apparently ). You need to go way back to the Old Testament in the Bible to even find the beginning of a reason to dislike homosexuals!

But Mohammed was basically the exact opposite of Christ and he did preach hatred and intolerance for homosexuals.

What does it matter if some Muslims and some Christians are both bigoted against homosexuals? The point stands that sites like HuffPo apparently only care as long as Christians (and I would bet white Christians) are doing the discriminating. (Check out HuffPo's current headline -- a cluster of stories about Being Muslim in America absent any mention of homophobia ... contrast with HuffPo coverage of Memories Pizza.) The uncovered hair point is purely hypothetical while the refusing service to gays is happening in the real world. Now, further to Da Boss's point, is anyone here going to defend the Muslim's "right" to discriminate against gays?

I will ... or I will at least reiterate that any law prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation could unconstitutionally violate a Muslim's right to religious liberty.

Well, huffpo is a cesspit, what do you really expect?

Personally? A cesspit.

Just like I expect faux-cool sensationalism from Rolling Stone.

Relapse wrote:

Let's say then, a bakery run by Christians.

Christianity doesn't have the sort of food rules that Islam and Judaism do.

 dogma wrote:

Relapse wrote:

Let's say then, a bakery run by Christians.

Christianity doesn't have the sort of food rules that Islam and Judaism do.

Oh contraire. Jesus had wine with every meal. EVERY MEAL! If I am drinking at 6.30 AM its because of my religion.

Frazzled, rum does not count as wine.

 Manchu wrote:
Frazzled, rum does not count as wine.

If I mix it with a little biscuits and grape jelly.

concentrated grapes, alcohol, its shake and bake wine. Now get in ma belly!

 Manchu wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
That makes them just as big a bigots as those Christian Pizzeria owners, what's your point?

My point is, there is no reason to talk about halal or kosher anything. Relapse's point was, if I understood him correctly, that a lot of news sources gives Christians gak for discrimination against gays while Muslims apparently get a pass. I think this was at least partly in response to Da Boss's point:

 Da Boss wrote:
I'm willing to bet the attitudes in here would be a little different if a Muslim business refused to serve someone's girlfriend or wife because she was out in public alone with her hair showing.

which I took to mean, people defending the O'Connors ITT would not defend Muslims. So, Relapse might ask: defend them from what? the absence of a media gak storm?

That was indeed my point, in response to stories about bakeries owned by Muslims refusing to cater gay weddings. There are no angry protests or threats or lawsuits or government action against the owners of these places and I found it interesting.

Likely because there isn't an angry very vocal group of Muslims that try to speak for all Islam and try to mandate on others their religion through force of law.

I really think a lot of the outrage over Christians is because of the vocal ones asserting that the US is a Christian country and Biblical laws should apply to everyone.

 skyth wrote:
Likely because there isn't an angry very vocal group of Muslims that try to speak for all Islam and try to mandate on others their religion through force of law.

CAIR

also ISIL, Al Shabab, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram. you must have not been keeping up on current events.

I really think a lot of the outrage over Christians is because of the vocal ones asserting that the US is a Christian country and Biblical laws should apply to everyone.

Really, you think thats the reason?

 Frazzled wrote:

Really, you think thats the reason?

To be fair Extremest of any flavor tend to ruin it for everyone.

I think he's talking about in the US Frazz'.

Yes. I'm talking about the US

Relapse wrote:
That was indeed my point, in response to stories about bakeries owned by Muslims refusing to cater gay weddings. There are no angry protests or threats or lawsuits or government action against the owners of these places and I found it interesting.

But then again, your government isn't made up of conservative Muslims trying to enforce their beliefs on everyone while powerful conservative muslim lobby groups work behind the scenes to make sure their candidates keep getting in and the right noises keep getting made at every level of government...

And there is not a large lobby of progressive Muslims and others shining the light on religion in politics and daily life trying to stop them to generate all the interest in businesses which are engaging in these kinds of things.

 skyth wrote:
Yes. I'm talking about the US

And its not because Christianity is the dominant religion in US - plus they don't behead you for criticizing them?

Not like Christuans have never executed people for not agreeing with them.

But Christianity is the dominant religion and there is a subset of that group that both holds considerable political power and is determinef to shove their version of religion down everyone's throats through force of law. This is going to create a backlash...

It took me awhile to stop being pissed off and scared of all Christians and come to terms with the fact that it's only a minority of extremists that call themselves Christian even though they aren't really that give all of Christianity a bad name.

In other news, the Final Four was apparently another rousing success in Indianapolis, so much so that I've heard/read a few sports journalists question why it isn't held there every year.

Other than the horrible officiating in the 2nd half.

But yeah, big success.

 skyth wrote:
Not like Christuans have never executed people for not agreeing with them.

But Christianity is the dominant religion and there is a subset of that group that both holds considerable political power and is determinef to shove their version of religion down everyone's throats through force of law. This is going to create a backlash...

It took me awhile to stop being pissed off and scared of all Christians and come to terms with the fact that it's only a minority of extremists that call themselves Christian even though they aren't really that give all of Christianity a bad name.

No you really should be afraid of all of them. Its the only way to be sure.


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 cincydooley wrote:
In other news, the Final Four was apparently another rousing success in Indianapolis, so much so that I've heard/read a few sports journalists question why it isn't held there every year.

Other than the horrible officiating in the 2nd half.

But yeah, big success.

This is that game they put on to distract us in between football seasons right?

PhantomViper wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Think about it this way, it's finally something that Christians and Muslims agree on.

That is not exactly fair to the vast majority of Christians.

While I'm an equal opportunity type of guy that basically dislikes all religions, if someone is a true Christian that just follows his teachings, then they don't really see themselves in these people! Because Christ was a pretty cool type of guy that just preached love and understanding for EVERYONE (unless you happened to be selling stuff in Church or lending money, apparently ). You need to go way back to the Old Testament in the Bible to even find the beginning of a reason to dislike homosexuals!

But Mohammed was basically the exact opposite of Christ and he did preach hatred and intolerance for homosexuals.

you can find Paul preaching against homosexuals in one of his letters (maybe more than one) that's why Paul is a witch who never met Jesus.

 Bullockist wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Think about it this way, it's finally something that Christians and Muslims agree on.

That is not exactly fair to the vast majority of Christians.

While I'm an equal opportunity type of guy that basically dislikes all religions, if someone is a true Christian that just follows his teachings, then they don't really see themselves in these people! Because Christ was a pretty cool type of guy that just preached love and understanding for EVERYONE (unless you happened to be selling stuff in Church or lending money, apparently ). You need to go way back to the Old Testament in the Bible to even find the beginning of a reason to dislike homosexuals!

But Mohammed was basically the exact opposite of Christ and he did preach hatred and intolerance for homosexuals.

you can find Paul preaching against homosexuals in one of his letters (maybe more than one) that's why Paul is a witch who never met Jesus.

Actually thats not the case. At the time it wasn't homosexuals Paul was after. He was actually railing against pederasts.

 Frazzled wrote:

 skyth wrote:
Likely because there isn't an angry very vocal group of Muslims that try to speak for all Islam and try to mandate on others their religion through force of law.

CAIR

also ISIL, Al Shabab, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram. you must have not been keeping up on current events.

Actually, those groups aren't trying to force their religious views through by force of law, but by force of, well, force.
And last I checked few people, even in the regions these groups operate in, like them very much.

CAIR is in the US.

Are they trying to use force of law and actually have significant political power?

 skyth wrote:
Are they trying to use force of law and actually have significant political power?

Political power yes. Trying to get laws yes.

You actually believe a Muslim group has significant political power in the US? Especially comparef to Christianity that has almost 100% of elected politicians belonging to it and half of them belonging to the extremist right wing version?

You said significant power. You act like Christians are this monolithic group-its impressively ignorant of you.

CAIR doesn't have significant political power in the US. Christian, Jewish, and atheist groups rightly criticize it.

 skyth wrote:
You actually believe a Muslim group has significant political power in the US? Especially comparef to Christianity that has almost 100% of elected politicians belonging to it and half of them belonging to the extremist right wing version?

THE extremist right wing version? Clarify, please.