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Upgrading units: when playing with power Sergent level models ware free, but when playing with points I am almost dead certsin that when you upgrade the unit you replace the cost of the upgraded model with the cost of whatever the model you've upgraded them to is.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Upgrading units: when playing with power Sergent level models ware free, but when playing with points I am almost dead certsin that when you upgrade the unit you replace the cost of the upgraded model with the cost of whatever the model you've upgraded them to is.

Can you find an example of that? I can't.

skarsol wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Upgrading units: when playing with power Sergent level models ware free, but when playing with points I am almost dead certsin that when you upgrade the unit you replace the cost of the upgraded model with the cost of whatever the model you've upgraded them to is.

Can you find an example of that? I can't.

I'll look later when I,m on a proper computer and not an iPad1 that crashes iBooks whenever I switch oages too fast on the rules pdfs.

As a counter example, all Daemon units have free Sergeant upgrades.

skarsol wrote:
As a counter example, all Daemon units have free Sergeant upgrades.

Same with Sisters from my reading.

anyone able to find command squads for space marines? I got a command squad on bikes tooled up for CC that I cant find in the rules

 davou wrote:
anyone able to find command squads for space marines? I got a command squad on bikes tooled up for CC that I cant find in the rules

Its there under company veterans on bikes. Apoths and champions are their own unit on bikes now.

But what about walkers? Well that's always been a point of contention for me (and a lot of other people, I've discovered). It never made sense that a Rip Tide was an MC but a Sentinel was a vehicle. I think that vehicles should be treated differently and walkers should be treated like big infantry because that's the role they play. A Dread twisting its torso to shoot is no different to a Land Raider turning its sponson to shoot something, but vastly different to a Land Raider shooting its left sponson through itself to hit something on its right.

And I see that, I really do. But I much much prefer all models get treated the same. The alternative, was where tanks sucked. Sucked, period. MC were just point for point better than tanks. People just didn't take Land Raiders or Baneblades, and transports were given out for FREE much of the time. If the cost of fixing that is douchy players shooting their guns from the end of their antenna just like any MC could already do, color me happy. I'm fully willing to give the system the benefit of imagining that it is a duration of time where minor movement is possible.I have far far more issue with an I go you go game where there is nothing given up for overwatch, you can literally do it an infinite amount of times in one turn. I also don't see most MC as fully articulate or nimble as a human.

I want to actually play the tanks, this makes tanks survivable enough that I can dust off some armor and play some games and have some fun.

 davou wrote:
anyone able to find command squads for space marines? I got a command squad on bikes tooled up for CC that I cant find in the rules

Command Squads per se are no more. Now you get to field them separately as sort of characters. You get Apothecaries, Ancients (Standard bearers) and Champions.

They are Company Veterans for Codex: Space Marines. Sternguard and Vanguards are separate things for us as well.

In the Choose Unit to Shoot With section, it says:

"Unless otherwise stated, each model in the unit attacks with ALL of the ranged weapons it is armed with."

Does that mean that any Marine with a Pistol and a Bolter gets to fire both?

You can either shoot with all your pistols or all your other weapons.

So how does cover work in this edition? I see in the core rules that if you're in terrain you get +1 save, and some of the terrain types are in the Battlefield Terrain section, but I don't see anything about intervening models, or being obscured in general.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
You can either shoot with all your pistols or all your other weapons.

So how does cover work in this edition? I see in the core rules that if you're in terrain you get +1 save, and some of the terrain types are in the Battlefield Terrain section, but I don't see anything about intervening models, or being obscured in general.

There doesn't appear to be anything in the rules about intervening models.

No as the weapon description for pistols says otherwise

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Spoiler:

skarsol wrote:

Daedalus81 wrote:

skarsol wrote:


Cavalry does nothing. It enables the rules to refer to models that are "Cavalry". A model that is "Cavalry" may not have any rules itself that take advantage of that. Of likely more importance is that a model that is "Cavalry" will likely not be "Infantry" which means it treats cover differently, etc.

Yea that is my thought process, too. It's just sort of odd in comparison with the status of Fly.

Fly is special because it has core rules that act on it (Movement, Fall Back). The vast majority of Keywords currently do nothing more than add flavour.

The vast majority of keywords don't do anything for now. Most will be limited to just determining eho can ally with what, or which rules they can benefit from, but I can see others gaining special bonuses. Like The Bike keyword for White Scars, or the Vehicle keyword for Iron Hands.

One place the keywords are important are with poison (which only effects non-vehicles) and support units like Meks (which only recover wounds on vehicles) and Apothecaries (which only recover wounds on infantry and biker keywords). There's other examples peppered throughout the army lists, like Nightbringers C'Tan abilities being more effective against non vehicles.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... I can take an Imperial Bunker and declare that my Warlord? Sure, no Warlord Trait, but it doesn't have to be a character.

With how the machine spirit works in 40k that isn't as crazy as it sounds...

Ragnar69 wrote:
No as the weapon description for pistols says otherwise

anything else though you are golden e.g. a biker with a combi bolter and plasmagun can fire both

thats 6 shots in total 12"

The best argument for free Boss Nob is that there is no points cost listed for a Boss Nob.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 davou wrote:
anyone able to find command squads for space marines? I got a command squad on bikes tooled up for CC that I cant find in the rules

Command Squads per se are no more. Now you get to field them separately as sort of characters. You get Apothecaries, Ancients (Standard bearers) and Champions.

In particular for Apothecaries, Medics and Hospitilars this is far more satisfactory - they are moving about the field attending to the wounded wherever they are needed

- not stuck with the same unit for no real reason.

Justyn wrote:

But what about walkers? Well that's always been a point of contention for me (and a lot of other people, I've discovered). It never made sense that a Rip Tide was an MC but a Sentinel was a vehicle. I think that vehicles should be treated differently and walkers should be treated like big infantry because that's the role they play. A Dread twisting its torso to shoot is no different to a Land Raider turning its sponson to shoot something, but vastly different to a Land Raider shooting its left sponson through itself to hit something on its right.

And I see that, I really do. But I much much prefer all models get treated the same. The alternative, was where tanks sucked. Sucked, period. MC were just point for point better than tanks. People just didn't take Land Raiders or Baneblades, and transports were given out for FREE much of the time. If the cost of fixing that is douchy players shooting their guns from the end of their antenna just like any MC could already do, color me happy. I'm fully willing to give the system the benefit of imagining that it is a duration of time where minor movement is possible.I have far far more issue with an I go you go game where there is nothing given up for overwatch, you can literally do it an infinite amount of times in one turn. I also don't see most MC as fully articulate or nimble as a human.

Can an elephant turn this quickly? I'm not sure.



This also seems like a very silly thing to argue about given the countless number of abstractions already baked into the game.

 flakpanzer wrote:
In the Choose Unit to Shoot With section, it says:

"Unless otherwise stated, each model in the unit attacks with ALL of the ranged weapons it is armed with."

Does that mean that any Marine with a Pistol and a Bolter gets to fire both?

Go look at the rules for Pistols.

 Bonegrinder wrote:


Have to shift that old stock of Mini-Marines somehow

They actually appear to be new(?) sculpts, and come on plamo-style sprues. Counter display box is a rhino, which is a cute touch.

 eohall wrote:

 Bonegrinder wrote:


Have to shift that old stock of Mini-Marines somehow

They actually appear to be new(?) sculpts, and come on plamo-style sprues. Counter display box is a rhino, which is a cute touch.

Spoiler:

Are they blind pack boxes, or is there a hint on what is in each box?

The Space Marine Heroes have their own thread HERE.

Doing just a rough guess, it seems for Power Level games its 50/100/150 for up to 1k, 1-2k, 2-3k games.

Made a 985 AdMech list for a 1k game and power lvl wise it came to 49. someone mentioned on average 1 power =20 points.

Really enjoyed that Eavy Metal stream, some really good tips and insight. Still need to watch the full art stream again. So pleased not every bit of art now has to been based on a model now. Praise 8th!

Nothing urked me more than that Ironjawz artwork were it was 3 Warbosses, all the same look, same weapons just different colours. *Shudders.*

str00dles1 wrote:
Doing just a rough guess, it seems for Power Level games its 50/100/150 for up to 1k, 1-2k, 2-3k games.

Made a 985 AdMech list for a 1k game and power lvl wise it came to 49. someone mentioned on average 1 power =20 points.

The average does get thrown out the window by things like 1 Power Inquisitorial Agents who are 8ppm, or Repentia who are 1 power each at 17ppm but DCA are 2 to a power at 17ppm.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:
Doing just a rough guess, it seems for Power Level games its 50/100/150 for up to 1k, 1-2k, 2-3k games.

Made a 985 AdMech list for a 1k game and power lvl wise it came to 49. someone mentioned on average 1 power =20 points.

The average does get thrown out the window by things like 1 Power Inquisitorial Agents who are 8ppm, or Repentia who are 1 power each at 17ppm but DCA are 2 to a power at 17ppm.

Yea I got 109 for my 2K Rubric list, but I didn't max on upgrades.

8th Edition Dark Imperium unboxing and Rules review.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Are they blind pack boxes, or is there a hint on what is in each box?

they're blind, because apparently the Japan market loves this.

sprues say copyright 2017 so these are new sculpts