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Wolfstan wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Because we'll burn you at the stake?

People believe in all kinds of things there's no proof of. I have no proof of the existence of Europe, yet I believe there is a chance it exists.

Brilliant!!!! Because that big old deity in the sky, who created the universe can't wipe me off the planet in an instant, he leaves it to his earth bound followers to make that decision ) Followers I would like to point out, who interpret the teachings from the same book in different ways.

Right we've finished converting or burning the non-believers in Europe what do we do now? .... Hold on a mo I know. I think God's favourite colour is Blue! You HEATHEN bastich!!! It's Yellow!!!. No it's not it's Magnolia. No you're all wrong he told me in my dreams it's Purple!!! Sheesh! )

WE're not burning you at the stake because we made the decision, we're just following orders.

And for the record only infidels and blasphemers commit the heresy of discussing any color other than Blue or a hue of Red. Because God's colors are red, white, and blue, which is why he gave them to his favorite country-America FETH YEA!

I'm sorry but I've just never been able to force myself to believe in God. I really tried, particularly when I was younger, but I could never get past the feeling that I was acting. Like how a waitress smiles at your jokes because there's a tip (heaven) in it for her. Now I don't begrudge people who do believe. In fact I'm a little jealous of them. But I suppose what scares me the most are elected officials (not just Joe the plumber) who use their belief as an excuse to slow science, or deny birthcontrol, or wage war. It scares me that there are people in actual power that believe that the Ark literally some how managed to get 2 of every animal on the planet on board.

Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Bakerofish wrote:@wolfstan

if you dont respect their belief system I guess thats up to you. But do respect their right to believe

I believe that people have the right to choose how they want to live and what they believe in. What I don't believe in, is protecting your feelings when it's discussed.

Damnit I did it again! I must remember to treat Frazz's post's as forum candy

rodgers37 wrote:Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Your heresy will not go unavenged false sky blue pink whisperer. God just tweeted - you're to be smoten at 6.30 on May 31. Sorry...

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Your heresy will not go unavenged false sky blue pink whisperer. God just tweeted - you're to be smoten at 6.30 on May 31. Sorry...

lol, that would prove Gods existence, if he/she were on Twitter.

Wolfstan wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:@wolfstan

if you dont respect their belief system I guess thats up to you. But do respect their right to believe

I believe that people have the right to choose how they want to live and what they believe in. What I don't believe in, is protecting your feelings when it's discussed.

Damnit I did it again! I must remember to treat Frazz's post's as forum candy

Repent unbeliever! The end of Human time is nigh! Dachshundgeddon approaches! All your ankles are belong to us!

Wolfstan wrote:To throw another log on the fire I ask the posters to consider this...

Why should anybody respect someones religious beliefs? What makes your religious beliefs special that I have to respect them? You choose to believe in a deity (this covers the worship of any deity), that's your choice. It's not like you're a cripple, suffer from a facial disfigurment, are gay, stutter etc.

I think you are going for the argument that gay is not a choice but i thought it odd and maybe a little funny you chose to put it somewhere between facial disfigurment and stuttering

thedude wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:To throw another log on the fire I ask the posters to consider this...

Why should anybody respect someones religious beliefs? What makes your religious beliefs special that I have to respect them? You choose to believe in a deity (this covers the worship of any deity), that's your choice. It's not like you're a cripple, suffer from a facial disfigurment, are gay, stutter etc.

I think you are going for the argument that gay is not a choice but i thought it odd and maybe a little funny you chose to put it somewhere between facial disfigurment and stuttering

Some people (have no idea if its true...) say it is genetic....But thats another discussion.

rodgers37 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Your heresy will not go unavenged false sky blue pink whisperer. God just tweeted - you're to be smoten at 6.30 on May 31. Sorry...

lol, that would prove Gods existence, if he/she were on Twitter.

He is. You just need the special Tweeter.

Wolfstan wrote:
To throw another log on the fire I ask the posters to consider this...

Why should anybody respect someones religious beliefs? What makes your religious beliefs special that I have to respect them? You choose to believe in a deity (this covers the worship of any deity), that's your choice. It's not like you're a cripple, suffer from a facial disfigurment, are gay, stutter etc.

Yeah I agree with this. I'll stand up for your right to have a belief, whatever it is, even if I hate it. But I have just as much right to disagree with your opinion and judge you for it. If you're allowed to state your view I should be able to say mine.

Respect is up to the individual not the topic of discussion.

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Your heresy will not go unavenged false sky blue pink whisperer. God just tweeted - you're to be smoten at 6.30 on May 31. Sorry...

lol, that would prove Gods existence, if he/she were on Twitter.

He is. You just need the special Tweeter.

I suppose after my acts of heresy, i have no chance

thedude wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:To throw another log on the fire I ask the posters to consider this...

Why should anybody respect someones religious beliefs? What makes your religious beliefs special that I have to respect them? You choose to believe in a deity (this covers the worship of any deity), that's your choice. It's not like you're a cripple, suffer from a facial disfigurment, are gay, stutter etc.

I think you are going for the argument that gay is not a choice but i thought it odd and maybe a little funny you chose to put it somewhere between facial disfigurment and stuttering

Yeah I know, just typed words as they popped in my head You are right though, it was about not chosing.

rodgers37 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:Should i start a new church... The 'Sky Blue Pink followers'... I'm sure we would be the best...

Your heresy will not go unavenged false sky blue pink whisperer. God just tweeted - you're to be smoten at 6.30 on May 31. Sorry...

lol, that would prove Gods existence, if he/she were on Twitter.

He is. You just need the special Tweeter.

I suppose after my acts of heresy, i have no chance

I'm terrified now.... There pure evil. They possessed? We need Sam and Dean on the case......



I probably shouldn't use Supernatural references, i think the TV show thread, kind of pointed out that your not allowed to like it

The mind is what the brain does. I think that the more we understand our physiological condition the more we will understand our 'human' condition.

Arguments for an afterlife are all ultimately predicated on faith. For hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of years we have, in fits and starts, been whittling away at the supernatural. The 'God is in the Gaps' may have worked then, but those gaps are shrinking, and again, lead back to blind faith.

-Yad

I probably shouldn't use Supernatural references, i think the TV show thread, kind of pointed out that your not allowed to like it

It's ok some of us have good tastes in TV

Heretic. You're probably a "the sky is green" kind of guy too. It would be best if you expect the Spanish Inquisition.

4M2A wrote:

I probably shouldn't use Supernatural references, i think the TV show thread, kind of pointed out that your not allowed to like it

It's ok some of us have good tastes in TV

Going to watch the last 3 episodes of series 4 in a bit (Again )


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Yad wrote:The mind is what the brain does. I think that the more we understand our physiological condition the more we will understand our 'human' condition.

Arguments for an afterlife are all ultimately predicated on faith. For hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of years we have, in fits and starts, been whittling away at the supernatural. The 'God is in the Gaps' may have worked then, but those gaps are shrinking, and again, lead back to blind faith.

-Yad

Whats wrong with faith?
There aren't any factual arguments to prove either way.....

The problem with faith is that it can justify anything. I can believe in unicorns and think it's ok because I have faith. Terrorists do what they do because they have faith. True faith in something entirely impossible to prove is dangerous.

Frazzled wrote: I have no proof of the existence of Europe, yet I believe there is a chance it exists.

That's nonsense, there is a massive difference between believing in the existence of a thing which you can empirically verify, and believing in the existence of a thing which is necessarily empirically unverifiable.


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Avatar 720 wrote:As intellectual as SH is, he apparently hasn't got tolerance figured out, and obviously can't take the fact that people (a very large number at that, albeit in different forms) have different opinions than he does.

He's managed to make a blanket statement about almost every major religion (those that believe in some form of afterlife) that labels them as people who tell fairy tales and are afraid of the dark; congratulations Hawking, you've managed to insult a large percentage of the Earth's population with one dickish statement.

He's not the first, and won't be the last, but for someone who is supposed to be 'smart', he really lacks tact and tolerance of the beliefs of others.

I don't see why anything Hawking said is insulting. There are wholly rational reasons to be afraid of the dark, not the least of which is out dependence on vision, and the difficulty we have seeing in it. Similarly, there are wholly rational reasons to believe in an afterlife, chiefly the alleviation of the fear of death. Noting that the two are similar isn't insulting so much as descriptive.

If people would simply admit to the truth of what they are, and what they believe, rather than pretending to something that they want to be there would be far less tension in the world.

Wolfstan wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:@wolfstan

if you dont respect their belief system I guess thats up to you. But do respect their right to believe

I believe that people have the right to choose how they want to live and what they believe in. What I don't believe in, is protecting your feelings when it's discussed.

Damnit I did it again! I must remember to treat Frazz's post's as forum candy

yeah i get what you're saying here but what I want to know tho is why you feel that some people expect protection from what you say?

is it because its offensive?

then its not really respecting at all is it?

often when people get offended by what we said...its just because what we said WAS offensive.

When you say that someone's belief is "silly" or "doesnt make sense" then it is reasonable for people who have devoted a portion of their life to it, or for some who view it as their life to feel that you are calling them "silly" or "senseless"

dogma wrote:
If people would simply admit to the truth of what they are, and what they believe, rather than pretending to something that they want to be there would be far less tension in the world.

Right, i could be reading this wrong. But are you saying that some/most/all people who believe in God/afterlife, do so out of hope, or needing something after they die, something to live for etc. Before i say anything else, can you clarify exactly what you mean...

No that isn't what wolfstan is saying. He believe people should be able to choose what they think but also that someone else can judge their view.

Allowing people to choose their view isn't the same as everyone having the right to have there view respected.

Telling someone bluntly you think their view is stupid isn't stopping them believeing it.

Rodgers- A lot of the arguments for religion are that it doesn't make sense for there not be a bigger purpose. A lot of people think an after life exists because they strugle to comprehend that death is the end- they just don't want to accept that it will be oblivion. People are desperate to believe there is a purpose- something making us special and not just some other animal.

4M2A wrote:No that isn't what wolfstan is saying. He believe people should be able to choose what they think but also that someone else can judge their view.

Allowing people to choose their view isn't the same as everyone having the right to have there view respected.

Telling someone bluntly you think their view is stupid isn't stopping them believeing it.

I think he was referring to Dogma actually.

Well the quote says wolfstan.

I know what will make this all go away...

Lets all watch Inception

rodgers37 wrote:I know what will make this all go away...

Lets all watch Inception

Oh God no. Lets go watch from Dusk Til Dawn.

rodgers37 wrote:I know what will make this all go away...

Lets all watch Inception

Much like Season 8 of Dallas, it was all a dream.

Frazzled wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:I know what will make this all go away...

Lets all watch Inception

Oh God no. Lets go watch from Dusk Til Dawn.

Yeah, thats fun as well. I've always wondered though, why Tarantino played that character... He probably wrote it with himself in mind, he's a disturbing character.