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Ma55ter_fett wrote:

TheRobotLol wrote:Our ultimate purpose is to reproduce and carry on our geen pool. Without that, our species would decrease in number and die, simple.

I think we are more than ok when it comes to numbers.

read my last post.

TheRobotLol wrote:Ok, but you cannot deny that from an evolutionary viewpoint, a living being's primary goal is to reproduce and carry on the species. Not from you as an individual's goal, but as a whole species.

From an evolutionary standpoint, yes, but from that standpoint, the individual is meaningless. As long as enough members of the specie carry on the reproductive role, evolutionary values won't be negated.

Also, we've stopped being subject to normal evolutionary vectors a long time ago. There is almost no longer any moral value to the simple fact of reproducing oneself.

generalgrog wrote:Is it natural for humans to have sex with animals? Just wondering..because some of the descriptions I have seen in this thread make me think so, since it could be a pleasurable experience. I mean if animals were designed with tight little orifices that are pleasurable to the human male, why not start dating sheep. Or let me flip it and say maybe women having sex with horses or donkeys because they have long penis' so hey why not?

GG

Does anybody else feel the need to take a shower whenever GG posts something about homosexuals? His comments are so full of hate they make Hitler wince-and he's spent the last decade and a half with either a pineapple or a flask shoved up his crapper (Adam Sandler's: Little Nicky, for those too young to get the reference). Grog, quit tearing down an entire group of people with lifestyles different from yours-it's disgusting Am I asking you to like it? No, just accept it. It's their lives, not yours, you have no control over it and your hate-speech against those different from you is one of the big reasons people dislike all Christians: because the extremists like you give the rest of us a bad name. You may not be able to follow God's commandment of "love thy neighbor," but at least try to accept him.

And Lucien, you're setting yourself up in the same camp as Grog. It's not somewhere you want to be.

TheRobotLol wrote:

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

TheRobotLol wrote:Our ultimate purpose is to reproduce and carry on our geen pool. Without that, our species would decrease in number and die, simple.

I think we are more than ok when it comes to numbers.

read my last post.

Well excuuuuuuse me princess.

I'm sorry if I didn't see the post that you posted while I was typeing the reply to the other post you posted.

posted

Oh well i'm very sorry for your lack of speed.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Yet I don't find that to be the case within wargaming even of the SF and Fantasy variety, if Dakka is a fair reflection of that, and I find that really really sad. People like GG and Lucian Greymark utterly disgust me with their vile, judgemental views on things like homosexuality of which they seem particularly preoccupied with saying the most unpleasant things time and again.

Homosexuality cannot be equivalenced to bestiality or, as I recall in the past, paedophilia. I find people expressing such views are repellent. It's horrible.

People who share hobbies with you have no relation to you as a person so you shouldn't feel dirty or blame the hobby. You will find people with views like this all over the world. It would be the equivalent of vegetarians or painters feeling dirty because Hitler was both.

mattyrm wrote:Its not, its their Religion that causes this hatred, they are following what they perceive to be the rules of their precious faith, and its one of the great many reasons I have such loathing for organised Religion.

I know of no religion that explictly tells its followers to hate people due to their sexual tendancies. You are completely right when you use the word 'percieve'. It is not the religion telling people to be homophobic, it is down to those who read it who take it to mean that they should be homophobic, and therefore you could argue that they would be a homophobe anyway if that is the first thing that springs to their minds. So why loath religion if it is the fault of those who misinterpret what it is saying that are causing the problem?

Wasn't this thread supposed to be about a mural?

Rampage wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Its not, its their Religion that causes this hatred, they are following what they perceive to be the rules of their precious faith, and its one of the great many reasons I have such loathing for organised Religion.

I know of no religion that explictly tells its followers to hate people due to their sexual tendancies. You are completely right when you use the word 'percieve'. It is not the religion telling people to be homophobic, it is down to those who read it who take it to mean that they should be homophobic, and therefore you could argue that they would be a homophobe anyway if that is the first thing that springs to their minds. So why loath religion if it is the fault of those who misinterpret what it is saying that are causing the problem?

The bible says homosexuality is wrong quite a few times, it even has the whole "sodom" thing that gave us the word sodomite.

TheRobotLol wrote:Oh well i'm very sorry for your lack of speed.

don't be a ...jerk.

Rampage wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Its not, its their Religion that causes this hatred, they are following what they perceive to be the rules of their precious faith, and its one of the great many reasons I have such loathing for organised Religion.

I know of no religion that explictly tells its followers to hate people due to their sexual tendancies. You are completely right when you use the word 'percieve'. It is not the religion telling people to be homophobic, it is down to those who read it who take it to mean that they should be homophobic, and therefore you could argue that they would be a homophobe anyway if that is the first thing that springs to their minds. So why loath religion if it is the fault of those who misinterpret what it is saying that are causing the problem?

Well of course its their perception, there are loads of nice Christians, the homophobic thing seems to be a uniquely American Christian thing, namely Southern Baptists. I know there is a little from some Catholics, and plenty from Muslims, but in the States it seems to be that sort of 20-30 million strong, Tea Party/guns are great/climate change is lies/young earth/hate fags (they all believe the exact same thing) crowd.

AustonT wrote:

TheRobotLol wrote:Oh well i'm very sorry for your lack of speed.

don't be a ...jerk.

Why talk like ...this?

Humans have ascended beyond a need for reproduction. Artificial sperm and artificial eggs man. We can grow people in test tubes.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

Rampage wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Its not, its their Religion that causes this hatred, they are following what they perceive to be the rules of their precious faith, and its one of the great many reasons I have such loathing for organised Religion.

I know of no religion that explictly tells its followers to hate people due to their sexual tendancies. You are completely right when you use the word 'percieve'. It is not the religion telling people to be homophobic, it is down to those who read it who take it to mean that they should be homophobic, and therefore you could argue that they would be a homophobe anyway if that is the first thing that springs to their minds. So why loath religion if it is the fault of those who misinterpret what it is saying that are causing the problem?

The bible says homosexuality is wrong quite a few times, it even has the whole "sodom" thing that gave us the word sodomite.

The Bible was written by man-I'd take it with a grain of salt. I'd put more stock in it if things like 'The Book of Judas' made it in, rather than be ignored because we needed a scapegoat for Jesus' death. I wouldn't be surprised if a neighboring state of Sodom and Gamora came in, destroyed both places, killed everyone and warned other people to stay away, saying God smited it and wanted nobody to enter the area, thus bringing about the 'fire and brimstone' story in the Bible. People DID accept anything "done by God" as fact, regardless of evidence or lack there-of.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

Rampage wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Its not, its their Religion that causes this hatred, they are following what they perceive to be the rules of their precious faith, and its one of the great many reasons I have such loathing for organised Religion.

I know of no religion that explictly tells its followers to hate people due to their sexual tendancies. You are completely right when you use the word 'percieve'. It is not the religion telling people to be homophobic, it is down to those who read it who take it to mean that they should be homophobic, and therefore you could argue that they would be a homophobe anyway if that is the first thing that springs to their minds. So why loath religion if it is the fault of those who misinterpret what it is saying that are causing the problem?

The bible says homosexuality is wrong quite a few times, it even has the whole "sodom" thing that gave us the word sodomite.

This is true, but Christians should not hate everyone that does wrong. It even says to love your neighbour as yourself. This applying to everyone, it gives no excuse for people to be homophobic and yet claim that they are so because their religion says so, because it doesn't.

carlos13th wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Yet I don't find that to be the case within wargaming even of the SF and Fantasy variety, if Dakka is a fair reflection of that, and I find that really really sad. People like GG and Lucian Greymark utterly disgust me with their vile, judgemental views on things like homosexuality of which they seem particularly preoccupied with saying the most unpleasant things time and again.

Homosexuality cannot be equivalenced to bestiality or, as I recall in the past, paedophilia. I find people expressing such views are repellent. It's horrible.

People who share hobbies with you have no relation to you as a person so you shouldn't feel dirty or blame the hobby. You will find people with views like this all over the world. It would be the equivalent of vegetarians or painters feeling dirty because Hitler was both.

Common misconception: Hitler wasn't vegetarian, although his doctors recommended him a vegetarian diet as a cure for his chronic flatulence.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

The bible says homosexuality is wrong quite a few times, it even has the whole "sodom" thing that gave us the word sodomite.

I'm going to pont out to the MODS that if people insist on bringing religion into discussions like this, then it is fair game to be refuted and attacked in kind.

You can't use religion as a basis for one's argument and then hide behind it and expect some exception to rebuttal.


So with that being said:

The bible says a lot of things.

The bible is also a work of dubious origin and validity that very well might be fiction. Not everyone accepts it as anything but such (a ficticious work), nor bases their lives off of it.

If you place some special significance on it good for you, but to be honest I see it as little more then an ancient fairy tale.

I don't believe in ghosts or magical powers or any other such things. Your mileage may vary...

I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

Maybe all the people so worked up about what the bible says about homosexuality could spend that energy more productively railing against phedophiles in the priesthood...

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

I never said that, I said that no religion tells people to hate homosexuals.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

What these guys say is wrong, they should go and read their Bibles.

Rampage wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

I never said that, I said that no religion tells people to hate homosexuals.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

What these guys say is wrong.

I agree, but christians agree that these guys are also christians.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

Oh, PLEASE tell me they're going to be protesting in Michigan on the 23rd. It means they'll probably be there a few days earlier. I have a big truck and can...persuade them not to make it to the rally. I'll do the world a favor. Fellow Christians, you're welcome-I'll get rid of a portion of the people giving us a bad name.

All jokes aside, these people are disgusting. I hate hate-mongers. Ironic statement, no?

sirlynchmob wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

I never said that, I said that no religion tells people to hate homosexuals.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

What these guys say is wrong.

I agree, but christians agree that these guys are also christians.

I'm a Christian, and although I don't know these guys well enough to decide whether they are Christians or not what they are doing is un-Chrisitian like behaviour.

TheRobotLol wrote:Ok, but you cannot deny that from an evolutionary viewpoint, a living being's primary goal is to reproduce and carry on the species. Not from you as an individual's goal, but as a whole species.

That doesn't require every individual to reproduce.

See ants, etc.

Rampage wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

I never said that, I said that no religion tells people to hate homosexuals.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Corpsesarefun wrote:I didn't bring religion into it, I'm just refuting the "no religion says homosexuality is wrong" statement.

These guys not only say their religion says its wrong, but god hates them for it.

What these guys say is wrong.

I agree, but christians agree that these guys are also christians.

I'm a Christian, and although I don't know these guys well enough to decide whether they are Christians or not what they are doing is un-Chrisitian like behaviour.

I'm a Christian from the states, and I have plenty of friends who are Christian. We all agree that these people are not Christians. Calling them 'Christians' is like calling the KKK 'equal rights supporters'. Oddly enough, this is one time when I don't have a quip to throw in-I'm being dead serious (it doesn't happen often, so take it in stride).

Rampage wrote:
I'm a Christian, and although I don't know these guys well enough to decide whether they are Christians or not what they are doing is un-Chrisitian like behaviour.

Those are the westboro baptists church.

one of my favorite quote from them, "adam and eve where christians"

Wait so Adam and Eve were doing it before it was cool?

The idea that any sexual orientation or fetish is morally right or wrong is quite laughable really as well as hypocritical.

Something about glass houses and stones I should think.

Mr Hyena wrote:The idea that any sexual orientation or fetish is morally right or wrong is quite laughable really as well as hypocritical.

I would argue that someone who has a sexual harassment fetish is immoral because it harms others.