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All the times i see mantic launching new FF stuff make me wish a new set of legs with an afordable price... Im really waiting for the drakkarin bitz in white plastic to start a real army...

Just a quick update on the Warpath beta-testing..

We're now into week 2 of the beta testing, and Alessio has released an updated 2nd beta version of the 2.0 rules to incorporate some small suggestions, as well as releasing the 3rd and 4th army lists and adding some small tweaks to the current ones.

The beta development is taking on a rapid development cycle with regular updates.

Rules are available to download here, for those of you who aren't signed up to the newsletter.

If anyone would like to join in with the beta-testing it would be of huge help (especially if you can physically playtest or do so using Vassal), at the moment there's only about a dozen of us and the whole thing is getting a little incestuous. :p

Also, Marauder Bull Quad is out, the 4th Raptor variant:

where to go to help with vassal testing? if there's a community doing that now I'd love to join in. is it just somewhere via the mantic forums? and how much work is it to get vassal set up for such a thing? (never used it...)

So this week is enforcers week and they have a preview image as well as some fluff. This is the first Corporation mini that I like. It will be nice to see more from them this week.



http://www.manticblog.com/index.php/enforcers-week-begins/

That'd be one of the images I saw at Adepticon

I'm really happy with with the model and will pick up a few, even though I don't care for the current state of Warpath's rules.

Very nice - very 'hi-tech'!

Perhaps even too 'hi-tech' for 40K IG 'counts as'?

Nah!

Like it a lot so far.. presumably next shot will be at 45 degrees before we finally get the full frontal? !

In between these, the standard corp guys and veterans I think there will now be Stormtroopers, general infantry and veterans in an IG army respectively. Yes perhaps a little too high-tech looking, but I think they will look fine alongside Valkyries for an 'air recon' force, and with a more dirty/industrial looking paint job I'm sure they could be made to look more utilitarian!

ThomasPolder wrote:where to go to help with vassal testing? if there's a community doing that now I'd love to join in. is it just somewhere via the mantic forums? and how much work is it to get vassal set up for such a thing? (never used it...)

I've got a guide to using VASSAL to playtest Warpath up on the Mantic forums here.

So far there hasn't been much interest, only me and darkprince are using it to get some games in. From a casual observation, it seems that most 40k players are really happy with 6th edition, which is why we haven't seen more people interested currently.

@Cyporiean: All I can really suggest is to give the new rules a quick play, they're actually not that bad. If it doesn't appeal, keep in mind that the 2.0 rules are now called Warpath Skirmish.

There will be a second, mass-battle game released next year. Multiple sets of rules to appeal to as many different people as possible.

People who like 40k will love Warpath Skrimish, I've played a few games now, and think its great, quite similar to 40k without a whole heaping ton of the complexity and fiddliness that comes with 40k... beta needs a *lot* of small tweaks at this point, but is progressing well, Mantic is incorporating a lot of the suggested changes that we're making, as long as we've playtested them and thought them through.

People who liked WP 1.0 and games like Epic will probably enjoy the mass-battle version of the rules (which will be completely separate).

Basically, Mantic is going with the same approach that GW used for LotR with separate rules and army lists for SBG and WotR.


As for the Enforcers, a whole ton of background just got posted to the Mantic website, definitely worth a read, its really interesting and goes into all sorts of detail about how the Corporation works:

http://www.manticgames.com/Warpath/Corporation.html



And all the models are now up for advanced order:

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Advance-Orders/Advance-Order-Enforcers.html

Bit rich for my tastes, but as always, the army box is a good deal, so I'll take it.

Hopefully the decision to go hybrid metal was made so they could put more money towards making the upcoming Corp vehicles good and cheap (imagine an APC or tank at Iron Ancestor prices!).

Well that is some nice looking art. They look like they could fit very well in with the Sedition wars models, can't wait to see some more pics!

^ You won't have to wait long!



Very much an "Iron Man" design style rather than traditional power armour or 40k space marine style.

Reminds me of Mass Effect Cerberus. I do agree they could make some nice additions in sedition wars

Hehe, what luck! I love it, just praying that it turns out that good in the models which from the back pic, it did!


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Just read the fluff and it sounds pretty good. Warpath is certainly taking shape in my eyes!

scarletsquig wrote:^ You won't have to wait long!



Very much an "Iron Man" design style rather than traditional power armour or 40k space marine style.

Mmmmm, sexy. I'm not sure if the scale works with Infinity, but the aesthetic isn't dissimilar (imo).

Is it me, or is there a lot of variation in the lines? I mean, if the other lines had this kind of quality, I would be a lot more interested overall in this game. Then again, I suppose it may simply be a question of taste, since if you don't like goofy orcs, you're unlikely to appreciate even very high quality goofy space orcs.

I have to agree with Buzzsaw, I love the corp line but the orcs and FF's just don't appeal. Of course I have never liked orks and space dwarves in general so I will just wait to see if I like any of the other lines!

Okay do you guys really play warpath or just use the models for 40k? If you do play is it any good at this early stage?

Buzzsaw wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:^ You won't have to wait long!



Very much an "Iron Man" design style rather than traditional power armour or 40k space marine style.

Mmmmm, sexy. I'm not sure if the scale works with Infinity, but the aesthetic isn't dissimilar (imo).

Agreed!

And I think they would work in Infinity, as HI troops!

Nice indeed!

MDizzle wrote:Okay do you guys really play warpath or just use the models for 40k? If you do play is it any good at this early stage?

Don't care for 40k's Rules, and Haven't played it in years.

Enjoyed Warpath 1.0's rules, but don't care for the current beta rules for 2.0.

The guys on the podcast (I don't remember who is who yet) sounded fanboy excited about the Enforcers. "Iron Man with big guns" was one of the phrases used. I admit that I like the minis enough that I just preordered a Strike Force. As if I need more minis to paint...

Well if they make shooty ones that look like this I am sold

Cyporiean wrote:

MDizzle wrote:Okay do you guys really play warpath or just use the models for 40k? If you do play is it any good at this early stage?

Don't care for 40k's Rules, and Haven't played it in years.

Enjoyed Warpath 1.0's rules, but don't care for the current beta rules for 2.0.

I haven't found a copy of the 2.0 rules: mind a short blurb on what you find less attractive about them?

I was in the first playtest (the one mainly on Beasts of War), but honestly I don't remember much about it, and have no real idea how it's changed.

Buzzsaw wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:

MDizzle wrote:Okay do you guys really play warpath or just use the models for 40k? If you do play is it any good at this early stage?

Don't care for 40k's Rules, and Haven't played it in years.

Enjoyed Warpath 1.0's rules, but don't care for the current beta rules for 2.0.

I haven't found a copy of the 2.0 rules: mind a short blurb on what you find less attractive about them?

I was in the first playtest (the one mainly on Beasts of War), but honestly I don't remember much about it, and have no real idea how it's changed.

Here is the link.

My main issue is that its gone from a simple quick mass battle game, to being a clunky skirmish game.

Cyporiean wrote:...

Here is the link.

My main issue is that its gone from a simple quick mass battle game, to being a clunky skirmish game.

Thanks!

That's odd, I mean, isn't mass battles Mantic's... thing? Why switch to a format best suited to smaller army sizes?

Pacific wrote:Yes perhaps a little too high-tech looking, but I think they will look fine alongside Valkyries for an 'air recon' force

They even look like they've got little grav-chutes integrated into the rear carapace. Tentatively hopeful for these, seeing as the Corporation sculptor appears to have stopped drinking during working hours, so I'm pleased to see the concept art shows them holding regular-sized guns as well.

Buzzsaw wrote:

Cyporiean wrote:...

Here is the link.

My main issue is that its gone from a simple quick mass battle game, to being a clunky skirmish game.

Thanks!

That's odd, I mean, isn't mass battles Mantic's... thing? Why switch to a format best suited to smaller army sizes?

This is just the Warpath Skirmish game, there will be a mass battle version coming out later, as Alessio mentions on the podcast.

They're going with 2 seperate game systems, because half the people want 40k-sized games with individual casualty removal (and absolutely will not play any game that doesn't have it)... and the other half want an abstract mass-battle game without it (and absolutely will not play anything else). By doing this they'll appeal to as many people as possible.

So,with 2 sets of rules, Warpath and Warpath Skirmish, they'll be getting rid of the problem with the 1.0 rules where it wasn't really one or the other, with an odd mixture of mass-battle and 40k-style rules that was unpopular.

A lot of people wanted Alternate Activation and won't play anything that doesn't have it either, so that has been added. I really hope to hell all the people complaining at length on the internet actually go out and buy the game once they've got what they asked for. :p


Cyporiean, the new Skirmish game might not be to your personal taste, but I've played it a few times and quite like it. Then again, I also played 40k for over a decade and enjoyed that game too, so that probably explains it.

There isn't really a right or wrong answer, its all down to personal preference.

scarletsquig wrote:Rules are available to download here, for those of you who aren't signed up to the newsletter.

If anyone would like to join in with the beta-testing it would be of huge help (especially if you can physically playtest or do so using Vassal), at the moment there's only about a dozen of us and the whole thing is getting a little incestuous.

I must admit I've still only had time to browse through the 2.0 rules, but I like the majority of what I've read.

I'll do my best to get off my fundament and join in the playtesting - regrettably the other player in my group who's most interested in Warpath is presently quite seriously ill, which has rather slowed my involvement.

See you on the Mantic forums.

^ Cool, will be great to see you there!

Really need some fresh perspectives giving input, at the moment the bulk of the feedback is coming from non-40k players, so I really think a different perspective on the rules from people who currently (or previously) played 40k would be great, since this new skirmish ruleset is mainly designed to be "40k, but quicker to play, and better"

Also, Enforcer Captain:



Very Starcraft in style, which is awesome!

Replace the head with a sphere and you have a good basis for one of the heavier Terran units.

Its about time a company started to take their inspiration from modern video games, there's a lot of really high-quality, realistic designs that would work extremely well in miniature form.

Looks great, and I see what you mean about the Terrans from Star-craft! Looks like Warpath is definitely going down more of the hard 'sci-fi' route, rather than just fantasy in space, which is what I prefer!

I'm not sure about the game being split into 2 different formats. It will need some very clear branding and delegation on Mantic's part to avoid splitting the player-base - perhaps even putting everything into 1 rulebook, keeping everything else the same, would be the best idea? I remember years ago, prior to Apocalypse being released for 40k, there was talk of an 'Advanced' version of the game being released alongside the more straightforward 4th edition of the game. Speaking to an area manager of GW at the time, he thought that they didn't take this route because of the risk of confusing the player base, and instead we got 'Apocalypse'. Make of that what you will..

On the other hand I think the reaction-type play method is a great idea - really getting into playing Infinity now, and while it took some time I've had to force myself to concentrate for the whole game and not just switch off when it's my opponents turn. Took some time, but it's actually great at keeping your interest and focus with the game all the time, and IMO makes the games a lot more exciting and involved!

loving the look of these minis

scarletsquig wrote:

They're going with 2 seperate game systems, because half the people want 40k-sized games with individual casualty removal (and absolutely will not play any game that doesn't have it)... and the other half want an abstract mass-battle game without it (and absolutely will not play anything else). By doing this they'll appeal to as many people as possible.

So,with 2 sets of rules, Warpath and Warpath Skirmish, they'll be getting rid of the problem with the 1.0 rules where it wasn't really one or the other, with an odd mixture of mass-battle and 40k-style rules that was unpopular.

Ah, I have no had a chance to listen to the Podcast, and didn't see a transcript of it anywhere. But I'm glad to hear that they'll have both types of game systems.

And that new hero is amazing.

Oh yes! Just what I was hoping for. Is it me or does the helmet design, specifically the detail to the top look a little wonky? Nontheless, a fantastic miniature and I shall be picking it up for sure when I know what I am actually buying in the pre orders!

Mantic's rules have struck me as very appealing, 40k just never really attracted me from the very start, perhaps it was the fact that I started gaming with a bunch of pros but there just seemed to be way to much stuff for a beginner to have any hope of catching up!