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dogma wrote:

Ahtman wrote:
** What did David say to the Engineer?

Michael Bay is attached to direct the sequel.

No, he's too busy filming his TMNT movie, as well getting the rights to Darkwing Duck, Tailspin, and Dinoriders so he can finish raping my favorite childhood things. Then he will film Jurassic Park IV and succeed at being the only man I dislike more than George Lucas.

Bromsy wrote:
No, he's too busy filming his TMNT movie...

That's the sequel to Prometheus, they are aliens now you know.


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Bromsy wrote:...and Dinoriders...

Best show ever, only Centurions approaches it.

dogma wrote:Best show ever, only Centurions approaches it.

Why he can't content himself with mid range shows I won't ever understand. Like who would get mad if he made
Michael Bay's King Arthur and the Knights of Justice?

He is correcting the mistake he made in Alien: Introducing and then immediately ignoring the Pilot. With the Xenomorph spent now...its time to explore the Space Jockies. The Alien isn't needed.

Except that one of the best parts of the Alien Saga is that we have no idea of anything about the Space Jockeys. I think that mystery made them even scarier to the setting than the Xenomorphs, that there was a race out there with way more tech than the humans, and that the humans had no idea when or where they might show up or if they actually even exist anymore after maybe being killed off by the Aliens like the Humans could end up.

As scary as the Aliens are, up until Prometheus, who knew if the Space Jockeys were on par with humans as victims of the threat, or did they create the Aliens as a weapon and the entire sage was because of an isolated accident?

Now it's explained, but in a boring and confusing way through Prometheus.

After this movie, I still can't decide whether the "weapon" the Engineers were working on makes your head explode, infects you with a sort-of Alien parasite, or after infection just turns you into a super-zombie.

Also, most of the Engineers were killed running from "something", but what the hell was it? If it was some sort of Xenomorph, why was the lone man killed trying to get to the one spot where everything seemed to be stemming from?

Ahtman wrote:

dogma wrote:Best show ever, only Centurions approaches it.

You watched it on broadcast, didn't you?

dogma wrote:You watched it on broadcast, didn't you?

Why whatever do you mean?


Here is another interesting and probably totally bogus theory but it amused me so I will share it.

The Engineers are basically David. Some other alien lifeform created them. They are very old biological machines that have no way of reproducing. A single engineer, or possibly a group fo them, tries to find a way to reproduce and we are the end result. We share much in common with Engineers but can make new people naturally. Some may not have liked this and so were planning on destroying us, considering a male/female version of themselves as perversions.

I like to think all the confusion was intended to prime the internet theory pump so Scott et al could harvest the best results.

Ahtman wrote:Here is another interesting and probably totally bogus theory but it amused me so I will share it.

The Engineers are basically David. Some other alien lifeform created them. They are very old biological machines that have no way of reproducing. A single engineer, or possibly a group fo them, tries to find a way to reproduce and we are the end result. We share much in common with Engineers but can make new people naturally. Some may not have liked this and so were planning on destroying us, considering a male/female version of themselves as perversions.

That's a really cool idea.

Perhaps the research lab wasn't a weapon, but experiments by the Engineers in how they might reproduce themselves in some non-blasphemous way. It got out of hand, obviously.



Oh, and I saw a couple of episodes of Centurions a few years back. It taught me to not go watching my beloved children's shows, because the reality is very likely to crush my happy nostalgia.

This movie was fantastic. It gave us just enough information to 'pad out' the universe, without filling in all the gaps and without boring us with detail. It left enough gaps to keep us interested and enough unanswered questions to keep us guessing.

It seems a lot of people's ire stems from the fact they wanted everything spelled out for them and all their questions answered. How boring.

sebster wrote: It taught me to not go watching my beloved children's shows, because the reality is very likely to crush my happy nostalgia.

I learned that lesson with Voltron.

Herculoids for me.

Ahtman wrote:I learned that lesson with Voltron.

I should have learned that lesson with Voltron.


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Kaldor wrote:It seems a lot of people's ire stems from the fact they wanted everything spelled out for them and all their questions answered. How boring.

Does it? Has anyone said they didn't like it because something wasn't spelled out?

sebster wrote:
I should have learned that lesson with Voltron.

Well Aus is always behind.

Also, you're both old.

Kaldor wrote:It seems a lot of people's ire stems from the fact they wanted well rounded characters, who they can feel connected with, and whose actions are believable.

FTFY

Kids shows were alright, but I never looked back after my Dad let me watch Robocop when I was eight and ED-209 blows a guys face off with a chaingun.

Cartoons kinda lost their zing after that. :(

Oh yeah I also liked the bit where the bloke gets some nuclear waste on him and defies the laws of physics by instantly turning into a mutant with green blood, that promptly explodes when a car hits him.

dogma wrote:Well Aus is always behind.

Also, you're both old.

So very old. I don't even know what Herculoids is.

The characters were stupid, vindictive, scared and shortsighted. Just like real people are.

dæl wrote:

Kaldor wrote:It seems a lot of people's ire stems from the fact they wanted well rounded characters, who they can feel connected with, and whose actions are believable.

FTFY

Some of us aren't so emotionally needy that we need to 'connect' with the characters in order to enjoy the story

Kaldor wrote:

dæl wrote:

Kaldor wrote:It seems a lot of people's ire stems from the fact they wanted well rounded characters, who they can feel connected with, and whose actions are believable.

FTFY

Some of us aren't so emotionally needy that we need to 'connect' with the characters in order to enjoy the story

So, first of all you claim people boring because of some imagined slight, then, when corrected on what a lot of people's problem was, you claim them emotionally needy because they want believable characters acting in believable ways to maintain a suspension of disbelief. Now of course it is sci-fi and deals in symbolism, but the best of it's genre acts as a mirror to ourselves, this failed at that. It was by a country mile the most badly written character I've ever seen Idris Elba play, and the captain was one of the better characters.

dæl wrote:So, first of all you claim people boring because of some imagined slight, then, when corrected on what a lot of people's problem was, you claim them emotionally needy because they want believable characters acting in believable ways to maintain a suspension of disbelief.

Take it easy sweetheart. Did I touch a nerve?

Now of course it is sci-fi and deals in symbolism, but the best of it's genre acts as a mirror to ourselves, this failed at that. It was by a country mile the most badly written character I've ever seen Idris Elba play, and the captain was one of the better characters.

The characters were scared, stupid, shortsighted, selfish and egotistic. This is an excellent mirror for humanity.

Kaldor wrote:

dæl wrote:So, first of all you claim people boring because of some imagined slight, then, when corrected on what a lot of people's problem was, you claim them emotionally needy because they want believable characters acting in believable ways to maintain a suspension of disbelief.

Take it easy sweetheart. Did I touch a nerve?

Yes, I have a slight problem when someone puts words in other peoples mouths and then when called up on it claims other people to be psychologically and emotionally deficient, but then I'm weird like that.

Now of course it is sci-fi and deals in symbolism, but the best of it's genre acts as a mirror to ourselves, this failed at that. It was by a country mile the most badly written character I've ever seen Idris Elba play, and the captain was one of the better characters.

The characters were scared, stupid, shortsighted, selfish and egotistic. This is an excellent mirror for humanity.

Repeating yourself? Cool, I mean if a point didn't work the first time it's infinitely more likely to work the second. The characters were stupid, like really stupid, and this is supposed to be the team put together to investigate the most important discovery in human history. They were not characters, they were caricatures, if this is your experience with humanity you have my sympathies.

I cant help it if some people need to feel attached to a character in order to enjoy a movie. Maybe those people would be happier watching twilight.

dæl wrote: The characters were stupid, like really stupid, and this is supposed to be the team put together to investigate the most important discovery in human history. They were not characters, they were caricatures, if this is your experience with humanity you have my sympathies.

No, the characters were human. Humans often act stupidly or irrationally. They were an excellent mirror for humanity as a whole.

I think one of the good things about the film is that you can argue it both ways. The characters make extremely bad decisions. That is indeed what we find people doing all the time. But we expect scientists aboard fancy pants spaceships to be the best and brightest (thanks, Star Trek) so it really irks us that these people are so "dumb." To me, this shows us that the story of "great scientists saving us with technology" is very important to us in 2012, almost religiously so. The notion that these scientists could be overcome by fear, greed, wonder, etc, and lose control of the situation strikes us as blasphemous. The audience's response to this blasphemy is to attack their very validity: the are "undeveloped characters" portrayed with "bad acting" and are "not relatable." I mean, who wants to relate to a flawed human being who makes seriously bad decisions seemingly all the time? Bit too close to home, I suspect.


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sebster wrote:

Ahtman wrote:The Engineers are basically David.

That's a really cool idea.

The text of the film makes this impossible. We are basically genetically the same as the Engineers (appearances to the contrary). There being no apparent females among them, I think, has more to do with the Pandora myth.

Possible, but these scientists believed strongly in their opinions, were put in charge of the mission by the "dead guy", had very little over-sight, and allowed their emotions to cloud their decisions.

That leads to bad things happening, throwing good money after bad, and so on. Had the corporate chick been given 100% control, some decisions would not have been made, but then the movie wouldn't have been what it was.

I liked it.

Kaldor wrote:I cant help it if some people need to feel attached to a character in order to enjoy a movie. Maybe those people would be happier watching twilight.

It's quite funny watching the responses get more childish as they go along, now it's "well if you don't like the film go and watch twilight." People are entitled to an opinion, just as you are, except your opinion is "everyone who doesn't agree with me is either boring or mentally inferior," which makes you not only wrong, but quite insulting too.

Kaldor wrote:

dæl wrote: The characters were stupid, like really stupid, and this is supposed to be the team put together to investigate the most important discovery in human history. They were not characters, they were caricatures, if this is your experience with humanity you have my sympathies.

No, the characters were human. Humans often act stupidly or irrationally. They were an excellent mirror for humanity as a whole.

If the characters acted in a human manner noone would claim otherwise, therefore it must be a valid concern, after all noone is complaining about things that didn't happen. They are caricatures whose every action is stupid^n or irrational turned up to 11. Perhaps this, as Manchu said, was symbolic to make them seem like children before gods, but the so called gods didn't seem very godlike either, making similar stupid decisions.

kronk wrote:Had the corporate chick been given 100% control, some decisions would not have been made, but then the movie wouldn't have been what it was.

Absolutely correct. In fact, if Vickers had her way there would never have been a mission and so no movie.

Manchu wrote:The audience's response to this blasphemy is to attack their very validity: the are "undeveloped characters" portrayed with "bad acting" and are "not relatable." I mean, who wants to relate to a flawed human being who makes seriously bad decisions seemingly all the time? Bit too close to home, I suspect..

I disagree, they were poorly written, with little depth. After all people relate to flawed characters all the time, hell the Byronic anti-hero is becoming overused as a main character.

Can you give me an example of a character being underdeveloped?

Saw it last night with a members of my D&D group and the general consensus was these guys wouldn't last 5 min in one of our campaigns

Aside from that, in most sci-fi/horror movies people do stupid things...it's almost expected, so I was able to look past it and just enjoy it for what it is.

sebster wrote:
So very old. I don't even know what Herculoids is.

Charlatan!