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I'm neither an existentialist, a nihilist, nor an existential nihilist. But as a scientist who as yet remains convinced of evolution as the prevailing theory on how the species came to be what it is,I still fail to see why continuing the species needs to be an important personal goal. It is a natural goal for the species, but that is not the same as being the natural goal for every individual. The species also gets benefits from those who do not propagate the species, and would stand to have plenty to lose if everyone focused only on babymaking.
Computers, cars, electricity, cheese, philosophy, historical records, even to some extent the very concepts of language and writing itself, exists only because we humans are not entirely focused on propagating the species. The ability of humans to specialize allows us to move beyond such biological goals. In truth, one could even make the argument that without the homosexual part of our genetics, our society would not have advanced anywhere near as far or as fast as it has.
If you sincerely (as opposed to just being a troll) equate homosexuality with rape, incest, and pedophilia, then you
Really aren't worth paying attention to, in the same way that the KKK aren't worth paying attention to-- that is, until you do inevitably something bad again.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Mannahnin wrote:Research indicates that having some gay people may be advantageous for the continuation of the species/tribal group, even if those individuals do not breed.
As a specific example, the Allies sure benefitted from having Alan Turing on our side. They helped make sure that our society won out over the rival "tribe".
Research also indicates that rape, incest, and pedophilia occurs in nature...so why are you stopping with the research that supports your agenda(Gay agenda)? Why are you stopping with gay dolphins and lions, what about the naturaly ocurring rape, incest, pedophilia and murder that happens in nature?
The fact is that our society drew a line in the sand, regarding marriage, many many years ago and the modern gay activists are trying to change this with clever "It's only natural" argumentation.
GG
well those are interesting points. What does the bible say about them? oh that's right, the bible and your god, condones and exalts every one of those actions.
Its a good thing we've evolved to be morally superior to your god, I mean really, look what a horrible job he did with the other animals.
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Relapse wrote:
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Think about it in this context, when Jesus appeared, /CLIP
It wasn't until Joseph Smith over 1000 years later was there a living prophet, because up until that point, the world would not accept the things God had yet to reveal.
you forgot Mohammad, 570 years after Jesus. then Smith, 1000 years. Makes you wonder if some prophet came around in the last 500 years and no one took notice of him.
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Relapse wrote:
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Think about it in this context, when Jesus appeared, /CLIP
It wasn't until Joseph Smith over 1000 years later was there a living prophet, because up until that point, the world would not accept the things God had yet to reveal.
you forgot Mohammad, 570 years after Jesus. then Smith, 1000 years. Makes you wonder if some prophet came around in the last 500 years and no one took notice of him.
Whether or not you look at Mohammad as a prophet is a matter of personal belief, we don't.
I just put out some of the things we believe in after reading some comments that indicated there is a misunderstanding about Mormons having more than one wife.
generalgrog wrote:
The fact is that our society drew a line in the sand, regarding marriage, many many years ago and the modern gay activists are trying to change this with clever "It's only natural" argumentation.
And so what if they are? Societies change and leave the people, and values, they no longer care for in the dust. It has happened many, many times.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
generalgrog wrote:The fact is that our society drew a line in the sand, regarding marriage, many many years ago and the modern gay activists are trying to change this with clever "It's only natural" argumentation.
And so what if they are? Societies change and leave the people, and values, they no longer care for in the dust. It has happened many, many times.
Also, I don't really see people using the "it's only natural" line to defend gay marriage. The "it's natural" argument is only ever used, in my experience, as a counter to the rather ignorant "homosexuality is unnatural" argument.
Gay marriage proponents tend to use civil/equal rights arguments instead.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Mannahnin wrote: .....Your argument is morally offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt....
the only thing that is morally offensive is that you think Gay people are born gay.
And it's intellectually bankrupt that you continue to try and frame my argument as though I am equating rape,incest, and pedophilia with homesexuality. You know good and well I am not doing that.
I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy and people who try and argue like you.
Hey um...we getting this thread back into whatever the original topic was?
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generalgrog wrote:the only thing that is morally offensive is that you think Gay people are born gay.
Does the truth offend you? So sorry that reality doesn't match with your hate-mongering.
generalgrog wrote:And it's intellectually bankrupt that you continue to try and frame my argument as though I am equating rape,incest, and pedophilia with homesexuality. You know good and well I am not doing that.
Actually, I know damned well that you are. That's exactly the kind of thing that you like to post.
You have posted it numerous times in the past, and you constantly and insistently make that comparison.
Jihadin wrote:Think there was no man butter involved
Man... butter?
Please tell me that this is like... a sun-tan lotion for men or something.
I think my mind might break otherwise
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Mannahnin wrote: .....Your argument is morally offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt....
the only thing that is morally offensive is that you think Gay people are born gay.
And it's intellectually bankrupt that you continue to try and frame my argument as though I am equating rape,incest, and pedophilia with homesexuality. You know good and well I am not doing that.
I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy and people who try and argue like you.
GG
WHat is you evidence that homosexuality is a choice
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location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
Jihadin wrote:Hey um...we getting this thread back into whatever the original topic was?
The Boehner Romney breakup? I hope there was a prenup or else Boehner a wealthy mama!
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Melissia wrote:
generalgrog wrote:the only thing that is morally offensive is that you think Gay people are born gay.
Does the truth offend you? So sorry that reality doesn't match with your hate-mongering.
generalgrog wrote:And it's intellectually bankrupt that you continue to try and frame my argument as though I am equating rape,incest, and pedophilia with homesexuality. You know good and well I am not doing that.
Actually, I know damned well that you are. That's exactly the kind of thing that you like to post.
You have posted it numerous times in the past, and you constantly and insistently make that comparison.
Jihadin wrote:Think there was no man butter involved
Man... butter?
Please tell me that this is like... a sun-tan lotion for men or something.
I think my mind might break otherwise
Lets play nice ladies!
Can't we just agree to live and let live, and stay the hell off my lawn!
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generalgrog wrote:
the only thing that is morally offensive is that you think Gay people are born gay.
How is that morally offensive?
generalgrog wrote:
Research also indicates that rape, incest, and pedophilia occurs in nature...so why are you stopping with the research that supports your agenda(Gay agenda)? Why are you stopping with gay dolphins and lions, what about the naturaly ocurring rape, incest, pedophilia and murder that happens in nature?
Rape and incest I get, but pedophilia and murder are based on social conventions.
Is there some chimp legislature that outlined the age of consent for chimps, and what isn't justifiable killing?
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote:Rape and incest I get, but pedophilia and murder are based on social conventions.
Is there some chimp legislature that outlined the age of consent for chimps, and what isn't justifiable killing?
You could argue that any specy naturally geared toward moral reciprocity could feel offended by ''murder'', and possibly pedophilia, if there's a clear abuse of the infant.
Under the same outlook, homosexuality would be perfectly acceptable, since it's a reciprocal relationship.
dogma wrote:Rape and incest I get, but pedophilia and murder are based on social conventions.
Maybe, but there's good, rational, and logical reasons for the prohibition against them.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
dogma wrote:Rape and incest I get, but pedophilia and murder are based on social conventions.
Is there some chimp legislature that outlined the age of consent for chimps, and what isn't justifiable killing?
You could argue that any specy naturally geared toward moral reciprocity could feel offended by ''murder'', and possibly pedophilia, if there's a clear abuse of the infant.
Under the same outlook, homosexuality would be perfectly acceptable, since it's a reciprocal relationship.
Can we all admit that Wall Street would actually be better off run by actual monkeys? At least it'd be cuter...
The first things that monkeys do when given money, hire prostitutes... I'm not joking.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
As an aside, I found this little treat in an Economist article (pay only)...
Mike Teets, the only Republican on the Hardy County Commission [in West Virginia], denies that race has anything to do with local antipathy towards Mr Obama. But he is concerned that the president may be a Muslim, secretly in cahoots with Osama bin Laden, whose killing he could have faked. He also wonders whether the president might be gay.
So he's a gay muslim terrorist [racial epithet], apparently.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
So he's a gay muslim terrorist [racial epithet], apparently
.
Only on Manlove Thursdays
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So he's a gay muslim terrorist [racial epithet], apparently
.
Only on Manlove Thursdays
Manlove Thursdays?
Is that like your mother's Five Dollar Fridays?*
*(if you don't know, you probably don't want to).
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
Seriously...never heard of Manlove Thursday in a Muslim country?
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I've heard of Taco Tuesday. Does that count? I even had tacos last night.
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Its acceptable only on Thursday for men to um...do men...only on Thursday. All sins are forgiven on Saturday at prayers. So if your ever in the middle east and a jingle truck a rocking don't knock on the door to see if everything all right. You know a boy dancer/prostitute is quite acceptable to.
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Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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RIP Muhammad Ali.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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