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Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only people who haven't ever played a horror game before think that Dead Space is a horror game.

I suppose games like Silent Hill that have you fighting giant enemies with your bear hands (In the case of Downpour) is a true horror game?

Several of the later Silent hill games have slipped from horror to action, yes.

So did Resident Evil, too. RE4 isn't really survival horror anymore, it's a shooter set in a pseudo-zombie apocalypse.

If you're going around gunning enemies down far more than you are running away from them, it's not really horror any more.

I disagree, but there are no games out right now that I can point to.

Damn not being able to actually make games yet!

Any game where you can shoot something with a giant gun is not a horror game. It's an action game with horror elements. At least that's how I view it.
Original Silent Hill, Amnesia, Silent Hill: Shattered Dreams, Penumbra, Dark Corners of the Earth, Eternal Darkness. Those are horror games. Giving the play the ability to kill everything Astartes style does not horror make. The only thing horrific about the old RE games was the lack of full 3d control which heightened the drama. Oh and no 'move and shoot'. You can have unlimited ammo for a rocket launcher for christ sake.
Dead Space is not a horror game, though smacked up to the hardest difficulty setting it may come close.

JazzGB wrote:Legacy Of Kain
Kingdom Under Fire
Anything wiith the words Super Robot Taisen in it.
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Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only people who haven't ever played a horror game before think that Dead Space is a horror game.

I suppose games like Silent Hill that have you fighting giant enemies with your bear hands (In the case of Downpour) is a true horror game?

Several of the later Silent hill games have slipped from horror to action, yes.

So did Resident Evil, too. RE4 isn't really survival horror anymore, it's a shooter set in a pseudo-zombie apocalypse.

If you're going around gunning enemies down far more than you are running away from them, it's not really horror any more.

I disagree, but there are no games out right now that I can point to.

Damn not being able to actually make games yet!

Any game where you can shoot something with a giant gun is not a horror game. It's an action game with horror elements. At least that's how I view it.
Original Silent Hill, Amnesia, Silent Hill: Shattered Dreams, Penumbra,Dark Corners of the Earth, Eternal Darkness. Those are horror games. Giving the play the ability to kill everything Astartes style does not horror make. The only thing horrific about the old RE games was the lack of full 3d control which heightened the drama. Oh and no 'move and shoot'. You can have unlimited ammo for a rocket launcher for christ sake.
Dead Space is not a horror game, though smacked up to the hardest difficulty setting it may come close.

The ones in bold have guns.
I think there is a flaw with your argument.
Though the statement about RE is true; its only really horror due to the gakky mechanics.

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JazzGB wrote:Legacy Of Kain
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Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only people who haven't ever played a horror game before think that Dead Space is a horror game.

I suppose games like Silent Hill that have you fighting giant enemies with your bear hands (In the case of Downpour) is a true horror game?

Several of the later Silent hill games have slipped from horror to action, yes.

So did Resident Evil, too. RE4 isn't really survival horror anymore, it's a shooter set in a pseudo-zombie apocalypse.

If you're going around gunning enemies down far more than you are running away from them, it's not really horror any more.

I disagree, but there are no games out right now that I can point to.

Damn not being able to actually make games yet!

Any game where you can shoot something with a giant gun is not a horror game. It's an action game with horror elements. At least that's how I view it.
Original Silent Hill, Amnesia, Silent Hill: Shattered Dreams, Penumbra,Dark Corners of the Earth, Eternal Darkness. Those are horror games. Giving the play the ability to kill everything Astartes style does not horror make. The only thing horrific about the old RE games was the lack of full 3d control which heightened the drama. Oh and no 'move and shoot'. You can have unlimited ammo for a rocket launcher for christ sake.
Dead Space is not a horror game, though smacked up to the hardest difficulty setting it may come close.

The ones in bold have guns.
I think there is a flaw with your argument.
Though the statement about RE is true; its only really horror due to the gakky mechanics.

Yes but not GIANT guns. Hence the word giant and likening it to a bunch of astartes stomping round. Which is essentially what Dead Space is...granted the storyline (at least in the second) attempts for psychological horror.
My argument essentially is not that guns = not horror, its that player empowerment with BFG = not horror.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Soladrin wrote:Rage was awesome.

Though pop rockets broke any semblence of difficulty.

Forget pop-rockets, wingsticks were crazy OP.
I mean, most of the time you could 1 hit kill authority soldiers, who are clad in full powered armor.
And there was no ending...not even a boss fight.

However, I do admit that the game did have a lot of potential. Hopefully the sequel will be better.
I mean, there has to be a sequel, right?

Uh yea, I ALWAYS had a million wing sticks and my shotgun ready to mow mofos down. Too many baddies? Thats ok, just toss a gak load of wingsticks at em

I have been playing through Fallout:Tactics again and its actually a fairly good game. Quite linear and the combat isn't very difficult but its quite enjoyable none the less. Its also one of the few games where you work for a genuinely 'evil' organisation, or at least one where the end is far more important than the means; the Brotherhood of Steel faction that you are part of are definately not nice.

Palindrome wrote:I have been playing through Fallout:Tactics again and its actually a fairly good game. Quite linear and the combat isn't very difficult but its quite enjoyable none the less. Its also one of the few games where you work for a genuinely 'evil' organisation, or at least one where the end is far more important than the means; the Brotherhood of Steel faction that you are part of are definately not nice.

Oh yeah, that is a fairly decent game.
Didn't like how they seemed to get rid of the whole "vaults are a social experiment thing"

They still are. the only real difference is that the inhabitants on the vaults in the wider canon are more mixed (or at least they aren't described as being exclusive) while the Tactics vaults are inhabited by the 'cream' of society and their minions. But given that Tactics is on the east coast they may not even be the same vaults.

I am running out of .50 cal ammo and as such the game has suddenly got a lot harder

JazzGB wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Only people who haven't ever played a horror game before think that Dead Space is a horror game.

I suppose games like Silent Hill that have you fighting giant enemies with your bear hands (In the case of Downpour) is a true horror game?

Several of the later Silent hill games have slipped from horror to action, yes.

So did Resident Evil, too. RE4 isn't really survival horror anymore, it's a shooter set in a pseudo-zombie apocalypse.

If you're going around gunning enemies down far more than you are running away from them, it's not really horror any more.

I disagree, but there are no games out right now that I can point to.

Damn not being able to actually make games yet!

Any game where you can shoot something with a giant gun is not a horror game. It's an action game with horror elements. At least that's how I view it.
Original Silent Hill, Amnesia, Silent Hill: Shattered Dreams, Penumbra, Dark Corners of the Earth, Eternal Darkness. Those are horror games. Giving the play the ability to kill everything Astartes style does not horror make. The only thing horrific about the old RE games was the lack of full 3d control which heightened the drama. Oh and no 'move and shoot'. You can have unlimited ammo for a rocket launcher for christ sake.
Dead Space is not a horror game, though smacked up to the hardest difficulty setting it may come close.

Just because you have never played such a game, does not mean it cannot exist. The same could be said for multiplayer. There are several main problems with most games that attempt to do so:

1) The guns. Most games *Cough F.E.A.R. Deadspace Resident Evil cough cough* seem to think "Hey, we can give them guns, and make ammo scarce, that'll make the game scary!" When that's only part of it. Dead Space, for instance, gives you 100 ammo with the Machine Gun, makes it really easy to stay up there in ammo with it, and then gives the thing pin point accuracy. Your supposed to be a scared little Engineer, and you can fire any weapon in the game like a damn boss.....

2) The enemies. True horror comes not from the known, but from the unknown. Look at most real horror games. They blur your screen, have fog, and generally don't let you see the enemies. Now look at FEAR (The first two, lets not talk about the third one.....) Every single enemies is either blinking ghosts or a normal "Human" being. The scariest enemies, and I use that term loosely, are the Cloaked guys who pop out of the woodwork like daises, only to run away again for another sneak attack. But even they aren't "Unknown" or scary, because just flip on your flashlight and you see their cloaked bodies reflect in the light.

If you could make guns feel like your not trained to use them, and make the enemies your fighting actually scary instead of just humanoids... You could make a truely sick action horror game.

The only game that has gotten Co-op Multiplayer right so far is FEAR 3. There is no arguing with that statement, as if you attempt to argue you never played it. I've heard a 257 lb muscled man squeel like a little girl, and I can't tell you how white knuckled everyone gets in #$%@ing Run.

The fear in FEAR didn't come from enemies you fought. It came from Alma and the atmosphere her mere presence created.

A Town Called Malus wrote:The fear in FEAR didn't come from enemies you fought. It came from Alma and the atmosphere her mere presence created.

The presence in which nothing ever happened?

Slarg232 wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:The fear in FEAR didn't come from enemies you fought. It came from Alma and the atmosphere her mere presence created.

The presence in which nothing ever happened?

Throwing you out a window and blowing up a building is nothing? Not to mention the ending which I won't share in case I spoil it for people.

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:The fear in FEAR didn't come from enemies you fought. It came from Alma and the atmosphere her mere presence created.

The presence in which nothing ever happened?

Throwing you out a window and blowing up a building is nothing? Not to mention the ending which I won't share in case I spoil it for people.

I would consider it nothing, as those were essentially cutscenes. Her ghosts couldn't harm you, and whenever she herself appeared, she just stared at you. Not exactly scary. Creepy, of the highest order, but not scary.

I just look at it like a horror film. If you don't have atmosphere you have nothing. You can have all the monstrous abominations you can think of in a film but that won't make it scary.

The best horror films make you afraid of what you never quite see and of the very setting the characters are in. Good examples are Alien and The Shining. In Alien the full creature is never actually shown in clear view until the very end of the film and every shadow in the Nostromo could be hiding it, in The Shining the entire hotel the characters are living in is a malevolent presence, there are no monsters except those that the hotel creates out of the people within its walls.

The same is true of games. Amnesia did it well, you went through a lot of the game never seeing the creatures you were hiding from as to see them would damage the sanity of your character. The players own mind fills in the blanks on the canvas from the small glimpses they get of the creatures. No rendered monster is a match for what the imagination of the person playing can create.

A Town Called Malus wrote:I just look at it like a horror film. If you don't have atmosphere you have nothing. You can have all the monstrous abominations you can think of in a film but that won't make it scary.

The best horror films make you afraid of what you never quite see and of the very setting the characters are in. Good examples are Alien and The Shining. In Alien the full creature is never actually shown in clear view until the very end of the film and every shadow in the Nostromo could be hiding it, in The Shining the entire hotel the characters are living in is a malevolent presence, there are no monsters except those that the hotel creates out of the people within its walls.

The same is true of games. Amnesia did it well, you went through a lot of the game never seeing the creatures you were hiding from as to see them would damage the sanity of your character. The players own mind fills in the blanks on the canvas from the small glimpses they get of the creatures. No rendered monster is a match for what the imagination of the person playing can create.

That's exactly my point. Majin, Alma, Necromorphs, they aren't scary.

Slarg232 wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:The fear in FEAR didn't come from enemies you fought. It came from Alma and the atmosphere her mere presence created.

The presence in which nothing ever happened?

What constitutes 'fear' in a game varies from person to person. I find games such as Silent Hill quite tedious,

The scariest game that I have ever played is the original AvP, specifically the level with all the face huggers. That game would definately fall into the 'big guns' camp.

What people find scary is subjective and arguing that you find game X less scary becuase it has guns isn'y really going to have any effect on another persons expereince and preferences.

Half Life.

I've met at best 10 people in RL that have even heard or played the game.

The Old Republic gets oodles of vicious hate, but I think it's a fairly solid game. Just not the Messiah of MMOs everyone was expecting.


EDIT: Really, Blood Reaper? That's actually fairly surprising as Half-Life was lauded pretty exuberantly in various gaming news outlets. It's widely regarded as a classic and was even considered by many an "instant classic" when it was released.

Though I suppose if one doesn't play lots of PC games it's understandable.

....I also just realized that it was released 14 years ago so there's probably an entire generation that's only dimly aware of it, and that makes me kinda sad. I mean, I knew it was released a while ago, but jeez, 14 years? I feel old.

RatBot wrote:The Old Republic gets oodles of vicious hate, but I think it's a fairly solid game. Just not the Messiah of MMOs everyone was expecting.


EDIT: Really, Blood Reaper? That's actually fairly surprising as Half-Life was lauded pretty exuberantly in various gaming news outlets. It's widely regarded as a classic and was even considered by many an "instant classic" when it was released.

Though I suppose if one doesn't play lots of PC games it's understandable.

....I also just realized that it was released 14 years ago so there's probably an entire generation that's only dimly aware of it, and that makes me kinda sad. I mean, I knew it was released a while ago, but jeez, 14 years? I feel old.

No the entire series.

In my school, I have met at least 3 people who have enjoyed the Half Life 2 games, otherwise, I have to hear about the exploits of taking holidays from school to get to level sixty or whatever it is in the latest COD.

It's really bad, because Half Life is a really good game, with a rich environment and characters.

Anyone played Ground Control? Its a fairly neat RTS that's reminiscent of World in Conflict.

I think only a handful of people know of Duke Nukem's origins as a platformer.
Hell, no one seems to remember Manhatten Project either.
A pity though, cause its a pretty kickass game.

Slarg232 wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:I just look at it like a horror film. If you don't have atmosphere you have nothing. You can have all the monstrous abominations you can think of in a film but that won't make it scary.

The best horror films make you afraid of what you never quite see and of the very setting the characters are in. Good examples are Alien and The Shining. In Alien the full creature is never actually shown in clear view until the very end of the film and every shadow in the Nostromo could be hiding it, in The Shining the entire hotel the characters are living in is a malevolent presence, there are no monsters except those that the hotel creates out of the people within its walls.

The same is true of games. Amnesia did it well, you went through a lot of the game never seeing the creatures you were hiding from as to see them would damage the sanity of your character. The players own mind fills in the blanks on the canvas from the small glimpses they get of the creatures. No rendered monster is a match for what the imagination of the person playing can create.

That's exactly my point. Majin, Alma, Necromorphs, they aren't scary.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I tried, and failed.

I thought Alma instant kills you if you touch her? That's what all the sources about F.E.A.R keep saying.
But yeah, I found Necromorphs to be too silly looking to be scary.
And Majin are just zombies.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I thought Alma instant kills you if you touch her? That's what all the sources about F.E.A.R keep saying.
But yeah, I found Necromorphs to be too silly looking to be scary.
And Majin are just zombies.

Necromorphs...silly? Are you joking?

The Crawlers from Dead Space 2. Freakishly hideous.

Squigsquasher wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I thought Alma instant kills you if you touch her? That's what all the sources about F.E.A.R keep saying.
But yeah, I found Necromorphs to be too silly looking to be scary.
And Majin are just zombies.

Necromorphs...silly? Are you joking?

The Crawlers from Dead Space 2. Freakishly hideous.

Most necromorphs.
Crawlers are probably the only variant I found genuinely disturbing.

Slashers? Silly.
The pack? Not scary
Leapers? Meh
Lukers? Silly
That flying bat thing? Meh.

They ruined dead space 2's horror nature by putting the transformation in to a necromorph right in your face at the very start.

Dead Space at least had a little bit of mystery about it.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I thought Alma instant kills you if you touch her? That's what all the sources about F.E.A.R keep saying.
But yeah, I found Necromorphs to be too silly looking to be scary.
And Majin are just zombies.

Yes she does.
At the very end of the game, and she comes at you three times. Your infinite ammo pistol kills her in one shot each time.

Melissia wrote:They ruined dead space 2's horror nature by putting the transformation in to a necromorph right in your face at the very start.

Dead Space at least had a little bit of mystery about it.

They showed all that as well in the first one, just not as up close.

Im gonna step out on a limb here and say Red Faction: Guerilla.

I havent met too many people who have even heard of it, even though the game is excellent. I myself have played through it five or six times.

Thats just me though.

Jumpin Jesus wrote:Im gonna step out on a limb here and say Red Faction: Guerilla.

I havent met too many people who have even heard of it, even though the game is excellent. I myself have played through it five or six times.

Thats just me though.

I love that game. Strapping down a car with bombs and crashing it into and EDF base is so much fun.

Anybody ever play Dark Omen on the playstation? Thats one that nobody else seems to remember.

Maybe also Ehrgeiz, and Einhander.

AtariAssasin wrote:Anybody ever play Dark Omen on the playstation? Thats one that nobody else seems to remember.

Maybe also Ehrgeiz, and Einhander.

I have played it on the PC (its quite a lot better). It hasn't aged well.

OH! I also have another game. But I cant even remember the name of this one. it was one of those Jet combat flying thingy games... For the ps2. Im pretty sure it was japanese. the story was laid out a lot like an anime and the in game graphics were amazing for the ps2.

Cant remember the name of it for the life of me though...