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 NecronLord3 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Guess we can't run in the shooting phase if shooting's all we can do.

RAW covers that in the shooting phase. Please refer me to the section on non-shooting attack abilities in the shooting phase, before you go further.

Rules for a non-shooting attack ability in the shooting phase? I've got one right here:

Codex Necrons (page62) Mind in the Machine wrote:
"At the start of the Shooting Phase, choose..."

rigeld2 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
RAW covers that in the shooting phase. Please refer me to the section on non-shooting attack abilities in the shooting phase, before you go further.

Don't need to -MitM allows itself to be used in the shooting phase.
It does not give itself permission to draw LoS like a shooting attack, which is what would be required to work out of a CCB.
Are you done straw maning?

And I don't need permission as my model is clearly mounted and able to draw line of sight from my model to my target unit. No abstract firing point rules required.


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 grendel083 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Guess we can't run in the shooting phase if shooting's all we can do.

RAW covers that in the shooting phase. Please refer me to the section on non-shooting attack abilities in the shooting phase, before you go further.

Rules for a non-shooting attack ability in the shooting phase? I've got one right here:

Codex Necrons (page62) Mind in the Machine wrote:
"At the start of the Shooting Phase, choose..."

Which allows it's use. Thank you.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
RAW covers that in the shooting phase. Please refer me to the section on non-shooting attack abilities in the shooting phase, before you go further.

Don't need to -MitM allows itself to be used in the shooting phase.
It does not give itself permission to draw LoS like a shooting attack, which is what would be required to work out of a CCB.
Are you done straw maning?

And I don't need permission as my model is clearly mounted and able to draw line of sight from my model to my target unit. No abstract firing point rules required.

Why are you not required to follow the rules?
You have general permission to check for LoS.
You have a specific restriction while embarked that you can only check for shooting attacks.
Why are you ignoring that restriction?

Even after all this I see nothing to support MiTM from inside of a vehicle. In fact it looks like the standpoins for fire points having changed from 5th - 6th. All I read is the Pro MiTM side saying yes they can cuz the codex says ______.

Vs the Anti MiTM side who are actually quoting legitimate rules, and giving proper page numbers.

So let me give a short answer, no they can't <,<

 NecronLord3 wrote:
And I don't need permission as my model is clearly mounted and able to draw line of sight from my model to my target unit. No abstract firing point rules required.
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At this point he's just trolling. Since by the rules of the book, that he claims to follow when he plays, we've already shown that the models do not get put onto the vehicle, they are set off to the side. Doesn't pay to try and convince one person when he's so deeply biased about the outcome that he's reading intent in them taking down the FAQ for a previous edition's rulebook, and using that to try and make his case. He obviously doesn't understand the principles of YMDC, and doesn't even seem to grasp the concept of a permissive ruleset. Again doesn't pay, so I'll bow out at this point since nothing we say will change his mind since he feels so zealously that he's right.

 Lone Dragoon wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
And I don't need permission as my model is clearly mounted and able to draw line of sight from my model to my target unit. No abstract firing point rules required.
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At this point he's just trolling. Since by the rules of the book, that he claims to follow when he plays, we've already shown that the models do not get put onto the vehicle, they are set off to the side. Doesn't pay to try and convince one person when he's so deeply biased about the outcome that he's reading intent in them taking down the FAQ for a previous edition's rulebook, and using that to try and make his case. He obviously doesn't understand the principles of YMDC, and doesn't even seem to grasp the concept of a permissive ruleset. Again doesn't pay, so I'll bow out at this point since nothing we say will change his mind since he feels so zealously that he's right.

You might want to check those tenets yourself, and the forum rules. And you are right since I am just one person and the poll clearly shows 99.9% against me.

Well lets be honest, given the question asked. Yes MiTM works fine in 6th edition, just not from a Firepoint.

Important to note that the question does not reflect being used from inside of a vehicle, just it being used.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Guess we can't run in the shooting phase if shooting's all we can do.

RAW covers that in the shooting phase. Please refer me to the section on non-shooting attack abilities in the shooting phase, before you go further.

Rules for a non-shooting attack ability in the shooting phase? I've got one right here:

Codex Necrons (page62) Mind in the Machine wrote:"At the start of the Shooting Phase, choose..."

Which allows it's use. Thank you.

It's use was never in doubt.
Now please show a rule that allows the player to check line of sight for it while embarked on a transport.

So by all the nay sayers arguments here he cant use it in the ccb, but he can do that ability in the shooting phase then fire off say his trachyon arrow since he didnt shoot anything.

That is correct.

Or is it a shooting attack since he shoots with a vehicle .


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Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Lungpickle wrote:
Or is it a shooting attack since he shoots with a vehicle .

Does it say it's a shooting attack?

Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Instead of doing something offensive, how about you accept that rules change and move on with life?
I know which one I'm doing.

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

Pyrian wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

As soon as we get apologies from everyone who was against MSS and force weapons being activated.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Pyrian wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

As soon as we get apologies from everyone who was against MSS and force weapons being activated.

Why? We never said that we were going to go "Neener, neener, I'm right" upon the release of the FAQ. We backed up our arguments with rules and GW decided to go the other way. It happens.

Open topped allows for shooting out of a vehicle only. Nothing else.
That being said - remember any game effects shooting does not effect MiTM.

You can MiTM a vehicle that is different from the target your unit shoots at.

If Arakyrs unit suffers a crew stunned effect he can still disembark and then use MiTM.

Psychic power Hallucination can stop you from shooting, but cannot prevent you from using MiTM.

 Nemesor Dave wrote:
Open topped allows for shooting out of a vehicle only. Nothing else.
That being said - remember any game effects shooting does not effect MiTM.

You can MiTM a vehicle that is different from the target your unit shoots at.

If Arakyrs unit suffers a crew stunned effect he can still disembark and then use MiTM.

Psychic power Hallucination can stop you from shooting, but cannot prevent you from using MiTM.

Exactly correct.

Happyjew wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Pyrian wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

As soon as we get apologies from everyone who was against MSS and force weapons being activated.

Why? We never said that we were going to go "Neener, neener, I'm right" upon the release of the FAQ. We backed up our arguments with rules and GW decided to go the other way. It happens.

Indeed. We even said GW could rule either way, as they often change rules via FAQ - sitw and venomthrope spore clouds coming to mind.

Happyjew wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Pyrian wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

As soon as we get apologies from everyone who was against MSS and force weapons being activated.

Why? We never said that we were going to go "Neener, neener, I'm right" upon the release of the FAQ. We backed up our arguments with rules and GW decided to go the other way. It happens.

I would imagine that this is what the folks opposed to "MSS can't use Force" thought they did as well...except with the bit about GW choosing to go the other way

By the by, I don't think Anrakyr can use MitM while embarked on a CCB. If only because the rules are quite specific about what actions an embarked unit can take (e.g., shooting from a Fire Point, disembarking, etc).

-Yad

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Happyjew wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Pyrian wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Ima gonna bet he can for the record. So when they FAQ it and explain it is possible I can say neaner neaner Im right.

Only if you publically apologize when they FAQ that you're wrong.

As soon as we get apologies from everyone who was against MSS and force weapons being activated.

Why? We never said that we were going to go "Neener, neener, I'm right" upon the release of the FAQ. We backed up our arguments with rules and GW decided to go the other way. It happens.

Indeed. We even said GW could rule either way, as they often change rules via FAQ - sitw and venomthrope spore clouds coming to mind.

Like hell you did. You approached that situation just like you do every other. You are right and there is absolutely no chance anyone else's take on the rules could be correct. People like you are the worst thing about this game.

Totally off topic, but still...

Edit: No need to add gasoline to the fire...

I suspect this thread is done.

-Yad

It is kinda like a shooting attack. He shoots his mind into the computer of the vehicle. It hits on a 3+ instead of describing it as a shooting attack GW just took the long way around and because it does not actually cause wounds or glancing or penetrating hits no cover save is allowed. But I don't know how it was intended.

We play that he can use it in the CCB. It is a unique special ability. If you disagree that's fine but I have read all posts so far and I am not convinced you can't use it.

 masterofstuff1 wrote:
It is kinda like a shooting attack. He shoots his mind into the computer of the vehicle. It hits on a 3+ instead of describing it as a shooting attack GW just took the long way around and because it does not actually cause wounds or glancing or penetrating hits no cover save is allowed. But I don't know how it was intended.

We play that he can use it in the CCB. It is a unique special ability. If you disagree that's fine but I have read all posts so far and I am not convinced you can't use it.

This thread is from 2012/09/12...

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