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2012/11/08 19:46:49
Subject: Re:Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
Apologising for things that happened in the past is rather pointless, though it does leave your inner city lefties with a considerable warm glow.
It's been done here and well, I can't see that it accomplished anything.
I think that the UN needs to pass a resolution charging snooki with war crimes, the fat skank has waged a one woman war against intelligence.
SNooki 2013!
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2012/11/08 21:41:00
Subject: Re:Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
Bullockist wrote: Apologising for things that happened in the past is rather pointless, though it does leave your inner city lefties with a considerable warm glow.
It's been done here and well, I can't see that it accomplished anything.
I can see the point in apologizing for certain things, such as slavery, genocide, human crimes, etc... Admitting that your ancestors are to blame for a certain situation can be important, since such situations often become part of the national mythos for generations to come and might be used to justifiy further wrongdoings.
As much as I am sovereignist, I can't deny that a large portion of sovereignist are clamouring for independance out of an undue hatred of the English and the anglophone population. An apology for the hanging of the Patriots and for the handling of the Red River Rebellion, as well as the mistreatment of the Metis population in general could've helped ease up a few 'ethnic' tension.
On top of things, it might make way for reparations, which I understand aren't a popular thing amongst white anglo-saxon, but, when handled properly, could very much help populations that have been denied the fruit of their labour due to past social inequities.
Between countries, it's useless, mostly because it proceeds from the illusion that there is such a thing as 'friendship' between countries, and that friendly relations are to be maintained. Countries are allies, and not because of their characters, but because of contingent factors such as trade and geography. Countries don't have feelings...
[...] for conflict is the great teacher, and pain, the perfect educator.
2012/11/09 00:03:14
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
Thats why we should get rid of countries all together and have some sort of global government run by the UN or something. Lol that would never happen (at least not for a REALLLY long time) but it would be awesome.
Well it's really not that far fetched I guess, seeing as the US is made up of a bunch of states and governed by one Government, and many countries are not much larger than the individual states.
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May the the blessings of His Grace the Emperor tumble down upon you like a golden fog. (Only a VERY select few will get this reference. And it's not from 40k. )
2012/11/09 00:07:53
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: Thats why we should get rid of countries all together and have some sort of global government run by the UN or something. Lol that would never happen (at least not for a REALLLY long time) but it would be awesome.
Well it's really not that far fetched I guess, seeing as the US is made up of a bunch of states and governed by one Government, and many countries are not much larger than the individual states.
thousands of years of history would stop that happening, just as a start most British people wouldn't agree to it.
2012/11/09 00:14:28
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
But a few hundred year in the future, as everything becomes more and more globalized, I could see that happening, or at least being considered. Though Earth/Mars relations might be the key subject then. (Not joking)
May the the blessings of His Grace the Emperor tumble down upon you like a golden fog. (Only a VERY select few will get this reference. And it's not from 40k. )
2012/11/09 00:17:16
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: But a few hundred year in the future, as everything becomes more and more globalized, I could see that happening, or at least being considered. Though Earth/Mars relations might be the key subject then. (Not joking)
if and when we reach mars or discover other species, we may unite against them though it's unlikely.
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2012/11/09 00:35:36
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
I think humans might eventually unite. Look at the progress in the last 10 thousand years or so: We went from hunter gatherers, to warring city states, and now we have continent spanning governments that are quite effective (not to mention that we went from drawing pictures on cave walls to landing rovers on mars). Give us another few thousand years, who knows what we can accomplish. I've actually got quite a bit of confidence in Humanity.
As Darwin said,
"it is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change"
We happen to be good at all three of those things. We are strong, (or at least our tech makes us strong), we are intelligent (comparably lol), and we are quite responsive to change, even if it does often mean a war starts. War is something we will never completely eliminate, because conflict comes from such a basic, instinctual level. Otherwise, humanity FTW!
May the the blessings of His Grace the Emperor tumble down upon you like a golden fog. (Only a VERY select few will get this reference. And it's not from 40k. )
2012/11/09 01:23:32
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: I think humans might eventually unite. Look at the progress in the last 10 thousand years or so: We went from hunter gatherers, to warring city states, and now we have continent spanning governments that are quite effective (not to mention that we went from drawing pictures on cave walls to landing rovers on mars). Give us another few thousand years, who knows what we can accomplish. I've actually got quite a bit of confidence in Humanity.
As Darwin said,
"it is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change"
We happen to be good at all three of those things. We are strong, (or at least our tech makes us strong), we are intelligent (comparably lol), and we are quite responsive to change, even if it does often mean a war starts. War is something we will never completely eliminate, because conflict comes from such a basic, instinctual level. Otherwise, humanity FTW!
while I don't think it will happen without a extreme cause, I still it would be awesome if it did. Imagine the technology, art and literature we could all focus on if we weren't busy fighting over lines drawn on a map.
2012/11/09 09:58:54
Subject: Re:Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: Thats why we should get rid of countries all together and have some sort of global government run by the UN or something. Lol that would never happen (at least not for a REALLLY long time) but it would be awesome.
Well it's really not that far fetched I guess, seeing as the US is made up of a bunch of states and governed by one Government, and many countries are not much larger than the individual states.
There already is a global government run by the UN, but it is a deep conspiracy and as such they -- our secret masters, I mean -- have cunningly allowed nation states to continue as a means of covering up the true state of affairs.
GalacticDefender wrote: Thats why we should get rid of countries all together and have some sort of global government run by the UN or something. Lol that would never happen (at least not for a REALLLY long time) but it would be awesome.
Well it's really not that far fetched I guess, seeing as the US is made up of a bunch of states and governed by one Government, and many countries are not much larger than the individual states.
There already is a global government run by the UN, but it is a deep conspiracy and as such they -- our secret masters, I mean -- have cunningly allowed nation states to continue as a means of covering up the true state of affairs.
shush, don't let people know...
2012/11/09 11:54:22
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: Thats why we should get rid of countries all together and have some sort of global government run by the UN or something. Lol that would never happen (at least not for a REALLLY long time) but it would be awesome.
Well it's really not that far fetched I guess, seeing as the US is made up of a bunch of states and governed by one Government, and many countries are not much larger than the individual states.
What if it was a global Stalinist dictatorship?
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2012/11/09 11:55:35
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
GalacticDefender wrote: I think humans might eventually unite. Look at the progress in the last 10 thousand years or so: We went from hunter gatherers, to warring city states, and now we have continent spanning governments that are quite effective (not to mention that we went from drawing pictures on cave walls to landing rovers on mars). Give us another few thousand years, who knows what we can accomplish. I've actually got quite a bit of confidence in Humanity.
As Darwin said,
"it is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change"
We happen to be good at all three of those things. We are strong, (or at least our tech makes us strong), we are intelligent (comparably lol), and we are quite responsive to change, even if it does often mean a war starts. War is something we will never completely eliminate, because conflict comes from such a basic, instinctual level. Otherwise, humanity FTW!
while I don't think it will happen without a extreme cause, I still it would be awesome if it did. Imagine the technology, art and literature we could all focus on if we weren't busy fighting over lines drawn on a map.
Humanity put a man on the moon and gave the world the Beatles when we were on the brink of nuclear extinction. Just saying.
However Hong Kong would want to stay with the UK over the alternative.
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2012/11/09 18:06:33
Subject: Debate: should Britian apologise for having invaded 90% of the world's countries?
The consesus among the academic community, at least the poli sic group, is that the British Empire for all intents and purposes ended after the suez canal crisis.
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