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Experiment 626 wrote:
The Harry Potter films got horrendous as they moved forwards. I found the 2-parter 7th film was barely watchable as a number of important details had deviated so far from the book!

Worst of all, they left out Peeves!!!


I speed-read through the 7th book, and finished it four days after it was released, which is fairly quick for a huge book like that, although I'm sure plenty of people finished it same-day. I don't really remember too much about it, besides the part where they find the sword under the ice. That is literally the only thing I remembered while watching the movie(s). Don't Speed-Read!

Anyway! My point... ah. The movies totally wipe your memory of the books, and if you're one of the unfortunate souls who reads the book after seeing the movie, then you're probably wasting your time, because the movie is burned into your mind!


 
   
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
My thoughts exactly, the key thing to remember with Mel Gibson is that he NEVER lets reality get in the way of a good story. His treatment of the American Revolution and Brigadier General Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox" (who my Infinity unit is named after as it happens) got a similar do over.


The difference being that The Patriot had terrible history and was a terrible movie in general.

Not though, that Gibson only starred in The Patriot, he didn't produce, direct, or contribute to the screenplay (and he only agreed to act in it after they dumped a gak ton of money on his doorstep).

Gibson is a crazy ass son of a bitch, and his only interest in history is in selling his particular brand of crazy world view, but the guy actually understands how to make a decent film. Which can't be said for Roland Emmerich and the team behind The Patriot.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 Captain Fantastic wrote:
In Dr.No, M (or was it Q?) gives Bond a Walther PPK in .32 colt, because he thinks his Beretta (in 9mm) is rubbish, and that the PPK is superior. Opinions aside, in Skyfall, he's given a PPK-S in 9mm.

I thought this was a bit of a betrayal of character. Bond almost exclusively uses a .32 PPK. I can't complain too much. At least it's a PPK, not that P99 monstrosity.


The PPK Bond got in Skyfall was 9mm Short, which is to say .380 ACP. Walther PPKs are not produced in 9mm Parabellum. This is the more modern ammunition selection for the weapon and isn't really a betrayal any more then when Bond ditched his original Beretta 418 in the books. It's just an update for the modern era while keeping fairly true to the original weapons.



What Cpt Fantastic is referring to is really an error in props. The scene in Dr. No corresponds with the scene in the book where Bond's Modelo 418 is replaced by the PPK in 7.65mm. replacing a 25 ACP with a 32 ACP isn't exactly a monumental change in firepower. The J frame he is also given in the book on the other hand is, the movies never reflected both guns, but those who read the Fleming novels would have noticed: Bond carried a revolver in *nearly* every book, if not all of them.

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 sebster wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
My thoughts exactly, the key thing to remember with Mel Gibson is that he NEVER lets reality get in the way of a good story. His treatment of the American Revolution and Brigadier General Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox" (who my Infinity unit is named after as it happens) got a similar do over.


The difference being that The Patriot had terrible history and was a terrible movie in general.
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That's why I was comparing it to Braveheart, not as a terrible movie, Braveheart is a personal favorite, but the history is a similar level of rubbish.



 AustonT wrote:
 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 Captain Fantastic wrote:
In Dr.No, M (or was it Q?) gives Bond a Walther PPK in .32 colt, because he thinks his Beretta (in 9mm) is rubbish, and that the PPK is superior. Opinions aside, in Skyfall, he's given a PPK-S in 9mm.

I thought this was a bit of a betrayal of character. Bond almost exclusively uses a .32 PPK. I can't complain too much. At least it's a PPK, not that P99 monstrosity.


The PPK Bond got in Skyfall was 9mm Short, which is to say .380 ACP. Walther PPKs are not produced in 9mm Parabellum. This is the more modern ammunition selection for the weapon and isn't really a betrayal any more then when Bond ditched his original Beretta 418 in the books. It's just an update for the modern era while keeping fairly true to the original weapons.



What Cpt Fantastic is referring to is really an error in props. The scene in Dr. No corresponds with the scene in the book where Bond's Modelo 418 is replaced by the PPK in 7.65mm. replacing a 25 ACP with a 32 ACP isn't exactly a monumental change in firepower. The J frame he is also given in the book on the other hand is, the movies never reflected both guns, but those who read the Fleming novels would have noticed: Bond carried a revolver in *nearly* every book, if not all of them.


So what's the real issue then? The lack of Bond's .38 revolver at all? or what?

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I know Bond drives some gadget-filled cars in the films but there's no way on earth his DB5 could outpace a Ferrari 355 in Goldeneye.


Thinking about innacuracies involving cars is the way gear changes work in Hollywood. Maybe it's because most films are american made and the American public largely drive automatics? But even films made for car buffs break the laws of physics. How often do you see two cars going flat out side by side in a film only for the hero to drop a gear an roar ahead? That just isn't how cars work, you drop a gear while going in top at a higher gear and at best you'll slow the car down, at worst the engine will scream in agony as the cylinders all break free in an attemp to search for life outside the bonnet.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
That's why I was comparing it to Braveheart, not as a terrible movie, Braveheart is a personal favorite, but the history is a similar level of rubbish.


Cool. Me too, by the way.

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 sebster wrote:

the sheer nonsense of a Scottish noble running talking about American style freedom in the middle of the 13th century.


While I agree that Braveheart is a historical travesty, the idea of "American style freedom" is far from nonsense,
American style freedom has its roots in Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Arbroath

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I recently saw a historical film I enjoyed a great deal. It was called "Brave" the really irritating historical inaccuracy surrounds bears. Everything else about the film was masterful.
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Gladiator is largely fiction, Commodus was bad but not really in the way shown. Also the gladiators equipment store appears to include both Sutton Hoo and Greek Hoplite helmets.
   
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Yeah, the Gladiator type sin the movie Gladiator were all over the place and didn;t conform to any known standards.

However, it is Ridley Scott, and he does make cool movies so I forgive him. I will even forgive him for Kingdom of Heaven.

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 Easy E wrote:
Yeah, the Gladiator type sin the movie Gladiator were all over the place and didn;t conform to any known standards.

However, it is Ridley Scott, and he does make cool movies so I forgive him. I will even forgive him for Kingdom of Heaven.

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 AustonT wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Yeah, the Gladiator type sin the movie Gladiator were all over the place and didn;t conform to any known standards.

However, it is Ridley Scott, and he does make cool movies so I forgive him. I will even forgive him for Kingdom of Heaven.

There is nothing wrong with Kingdom of Heaven.
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Well, Mr.Scott admitted that the opening of Balion's story is pure fiction... His father actually found him already in Italy - never in France as a Blacksmith. Plus, Balion also had IIRC at least two younger brothers who played a big role in helping him defend Jerusalem.

Balion himself was also captured during the Christian massacre at the Battle of Hatim and actually negotiated his release with Saladin to return and lead the defense of the Holy City.

It's completely unknown if Sibilla did kill her son. All that is known is that her son was a sickly child and died within about 8 months of assuming the throne. Scott went with the idea of Sibilla poisoning her son as a mercey to spare him the pain and suffering of living as her brother had.
He simply found it too distasteful that she would have maybe killed him as a means to gain power herself, because she was already the Queen Regeant, (and thus already effectively had the run of the city), and that it would be far too cold and sinister.

The Second Crusade is actually pretty well documented and both the Christian & Muslim accounts are pretty similar.

 
   
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ALL the Crusades are actually pretty well documented. It's not quite the modern era where we have thousands of personal accounts of various battles and conflicts, but educated men on both sides put pen to paper quite a lot from the first conflict on.

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 marv335 wrote:
While I agree that Braveheart is a historical travesty, the idea of "American style freedom" is far from nonsense,
American style freedom has its roots in Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_Arbroath


No. The treaty possibly makes a claim for popular sovereignty (though as your link points out, it is debatable whether people at that time had such a concept), but that's all. This means there existed a notion that Scotland should have a Scottish king, and it might possibly have meant that king should be popular among the Scottish people and barons, but it certainly doesn't in any way make an argument for the rights of common people to be left alone by their lords and barons, as the movie pretended.

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If Star Wars was scientifically accurate, half of the movies would be dead silent. Same goes for many Sci-fi movies.... but I think that argument has been done to death.

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TheCustomLime wrote:
If Star Wars was scientifically accurate, half of the movies would be dead silent. Same goes for many Sci-fi movies.... but I think that argument has been done to death.


Star Wars isn't sci-fi it's science fantasy it's not meant to be scientific because that's not what's important about the movie.
   
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Another to add to my list: I watched 8 Crazy Nights last night, and the scene where Davey (Sandler) freezes Whitey into a poopsicle...how does Whitey breath? I enjoy the movie around the holidays, don't love it, but it's cute and yes, te breathing thing is the part I have issue with. I think I need to donate my brain to science...

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In Prometheus the alien hologram of Earth should have Pangaea as the continents instead of Earth's current continents. Annoyed the crap out of me and totally took me out of that scene for a few seconds. And it would have been an easy thing to correct.



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 GalacticDefender wrote:
In Prometheus the alien hologram of Earth should have Pangaea as the continents instead of Earth's current continents. Annoyed the crap out of me and totally took me out of that scene for a few seconds. And it would have been an easy thing to correct.


You're assuming that aliens arrived on Earth 200 million years ago, and didn't update their maps since then. Given the film states that aliens returned only 2,000 years ago, your claimed error makes no sense.

And, in a movie that was basically non-sensical, that's a very strange thing to complain about.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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 GalacticDefender wrote:
In Prometheus the alien hologram of Earth should have Pangaea as the continents instead of Earth's current continents. Annoyed the crap out of me and totally took me out of that scene for a few seconds. And it would have been an easy thing to correct.
There is an unreleased deleted sceen which explains this.
   
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A lot of these nitpicks have little to do with inaccuracies...

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 sebster wrote:
 GalacticDefender wrote:
In Prometheus the alien hologram of Earth should have Pangaea as the continents instead of Earth's current continents. Annoyed the crap out of me and totally took me out of that scene for a few seconds. And it would have been an easy thing to correct.


You're assuming that aliens arrived on Earth 200 million years ago, and didn't update their maps since then. Given the film states that aliens returned only 2,000 years ago, your claimed error makes no sense.

And, in a movie that was basically non-sensical, that's a very strange thing to complain about.


You must admit, its a very detailed complaint.

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Old film called Battle of the Bulge. I can get past the repainted modern vehicles but while some scenes are shot in winter/snow, other parts are shot in what looks like california desert with no snow in sight.

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 yeri wrote:
when I went to see Argo I couldn't help but notice that the sets were wrong in some places. for example in the shot of the dog barking Roman architecture can be seen behind the dog. there is no Roman architecture in Iran, but there is in Istanbul where they filmed. also there were too many stars on the CIA memorial wall for the time period, but I can understand the CIA not wanting to remove the stars for a simple movie. the last thing I noticed was that when the student's stormed the embassy at the beginning the weather and tress are wrong for Iran, but not for Toronto. kind of ruined my willing suspension of disbelief, but I still enjoyed it.


And those story boards looked nothing like Jack Kirby's art!

And then there was the ending... which was ultra cheesy and ruined an otherwise good film for me.

But wow, the embassy, the period appliances, the avacoado colored phone, that was some great attention to detail.

And I squeed at the lingering shot of the kid's toys at the end.

 
   
 
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